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[Elizabeth619]

Lol well a partisan Johnny Reb would say because of "states rights."

A partisan Billy Yankee would say because of slavery.

A non-partisan American would probably see merit in both views.

My personal opinion: the insurrectionists seceded because Lincoln won the election and he was an avid abolitionist whom was going to oppose the expansion of slavery into the Territories. It is true Lincoln did not intend to end slavery in the South, but merely to prevent its spread into the Territories as they became states. However, seeing as the South decide to secede and make war against America anyways Lincoln used the opportunity to further his cause of abolition and declared the Emancipation Proclamation most likely for purposes of propaganda and to boost war-time morale for Americans fighting for America. But that's just my opinion of the matter.

Here is what Wikipedia says from same article American Civil War:

"The causes of the Civil War were complex and have been controversial since the war began. The issue has been further complicated by historical revisionists, who have tried to offer a variety of reasons for the war.[SUP][10][/SUP] Slavery was the central source of escalating political tension in the 1850s. The Republican Party was determined to prevent any spread of slavery, and many Southern leaders had threatened secession if the Republican candidate, Lincoln, won the 1860 election. After Lincoln had won without carrying a single Southern state, many Southern whites felt that disunion had become their only option, because they felt as if they were losing representation, which hampered their ability to promote pro-slavery acts and policies.[SUP][11][/SUP]"

Why do I get the feeling you think the south is swarming with racism and if you're white and a southerner then you're racist?
You seem to hold firm that the south is evil. Nevermind the fact Lincoln bankrupted the south and he himself made speeches supporting white supremacy. Of course when you constantly use Wikipedia one can't expect much. Wikipedia is open to anonymous editing. They frequently give false information. As a matter of fact the wiki on Lincoln was modified 2 days ago.

Do yourself a favor and research more sources. Opinions like yours is why the south continues to be stereotyped.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Why do I get the feeling you think the south is swarming with racism and if you're white and a southerner then you're racist?
You seem to hold firm that the south is evil. Nevermind the fact Lincoln bankrupted the south and he himself made speeches supporting white supremacy. Of course when you constantly use Wikipedia one can't expect much. Wikipedia is open to anonymous editing. They frequently give false information. As a matter of fact the wiki on Lincoln was modified 2 days ago.

Do yourself a favor and research more sources. Opinions like yours is why the south continues to be stereotyped.

Lol I never said the South is racist, though it is true there is much racism in the South today, but the same could be said for the North if we look after the Civil War into pre-Civil Rights Era America and even sadly in today's Modern America.

I don't think the South is evil at all, but I do hold the Confederate States of America during the American Civil War are surely traitors who started the Civil War and thus any hardship that happened to them like the collapse of their economy is upon their own head. Lol in fact the Secesionists during the Civil War in an attempt to put pressure on Britain and draw the British into fighting America embargoed their own cotton on Britain LOL, one could argue this blunder was even more disasterous to the South than Scott's Anaconda Plan, though I suppose the combo of both is what drove Dixie into the grave.

In Modern Times since the inaugeration of President Obama I see much return to what I deem "Secesionist Rhetoric." I am not a fan of this type of politick as it clearly is dividing our nation and if people like Rick Perry and Donald Trump wish to rip apart America, as a traditional Ohioan I must advocate they get the Sherman Treatment if they attempt such an act of unjust treachery even though I myself am for the most-part politically opposed to Obama.

As I said though I do not hate the South, you all are part of America in my lifetime, stay that way lol. And as I said the South, even in their insurrectionist years, do have some saving graces and heroes such as the most honorable Robert E Lee. Which is why I included my thoughts and opinions on Lee as well as an article about him.

Be good Southern Bells not Johnny Rebels and America will be just fine

 

[PennEd]

I do not advocate rebellion, secession, or civil war. History proves whenever these things happen nothing good ever comes of it going back as far as the Bible.

However, my opinion would be that if America decided to attempt to completely remove God from its society, began open genocide of Christians, or began to try to enforce a state worship of the Baalim then surely the LORD would be justified in destroying this land. Though I mean this in a more literal destruction fashion than a political regime change or civil war.

I guess nothing good came out of the American Revolution then.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I guess nothing good came out of the American Revolution then.

Eh, I suppose that is debateable.

One could argue the Creation of America helped begin the fall of the British Empire and also allowed an environment that cultivated a large growth in Christianity and a spread of Christian ethics and the message of the Gospel throughout the world.

On the other hand one could read the End Times Prophecies and clearly see that the world will be destroyed by fire and thus the formation of any earthly government is totally irrelevant.

Quite an intersting topic of ponderance indeed.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Lol I never said the South is racist, though it is true there is much racism in the South today, but the same could be said for the North if we look after the Civil War into pre-Civil Rights Era America and even sadly in today's Modern America.

I don't think the South is evil at all, but I do hold the Confederate States of America during the American Civil War are surely traitors who started the Civil War and thus any hardship that happened to them like the collapse of their economy is upon their own head. Lol in fact the Secesionists during the Civil War in an attempt to put pressure on Britain and draw the British into fighting America embargoed their own cotton on Britain LOL, one could argue this blunder was even more disasterous to the South than Scott's Anaconda Plan, though I suppose the combo of both is what drove Dixie into the grave.

In Modern Times since the inaugeration of President Obama I see much return to what I deem "Secesionist Rhetoric." I am not a fan of this type of politick as it clearly is dividing our nation and if people like Rick Perry and Donald Trump wish to rip apart America, as a traditional Ohioan I must advocate they get the Sherman Treatment if they attempt such an act of unjust treachery even though I myself am for the most-part politically opposed to Obama.

As I said though I do not hate the South, you all are part of America in my lifetime, stay that way lol. And as I said the South, even in their insurrectionist years, do have some saving graces and heroes such as the most honorable Robert E Lee. Which is why I included my thoughts and opinions on Lee as well as an article about him.

Be good Southern Bells not Johnny Rebels and America will be just fine

Uh, "southern belles and Johnny rebels" isn't what is wrong with this country.
You also mention how the south fired the first shots. Yep! Sure did! AFTER the north was WARNED to retreat. They refused.
If you're invading my territory and I threaten to shoot you and you're too stupid to leave then it's your own fault you were shot.

Since you you like to be rather opinionated in areas where you don't live and you're obviously rather biased can you explain as an Ohioan why Ohio is considered the worst state in the union?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Uh, "southern belles and Johnny rebels" isn't what is wrong with this country.
You also mention how the south fired the first shots. Yep! Sure did! AFTER the north was WARNED to retreat. They refused.
If you're invading my territory and I threaten to shoot you and you're too stupid to leave then it's your own fault you were shot.

Since you you like to be rather opinionated in areas where you don't live and you're obviously rather biased can you explain as an Ohioan why Ohio is considered the worst state in the union?

Lol how can one "Warn" America to leave its own sovereign territory? Even if we play by the game of legitimizing Southern Secession, American forts are still sovereign American territory. For instance Senator John McCain was actually born in Panama (lol how about that one for the birthers lol). But he was born on an American base thus is still born on American soil and thus an American citizen.

Just the same Fort Sumter was sovereign American territory even if one recognizes the illegitimate government of the CSA. (Mind you America nor any other country in the world at that time recognized the CSA as legitimate) So technically not only did the Southerners fire the first shots of the war, but the Insurrectionists also invaded America's territory.

Lol as for Ohio being the worst state in the Union. Don't make me laugh, we are simply a mediocre state in the Union if one goes by statistics, which would place the poor states like Mississippi towards the title of worst state lol. If we go by heroic past and culture though we can easily put Ohio up a bit further in the list of states as we gave ya'll the lightbulb, the airplane, and Ohio conquered the Moon first

Oh and I particularly am from Canton, birthplace of American Football Think about that next time you watch the Sueprbowl.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Heh though it did just occur to me if you want to rank the states by weather, seeing as Ohio weather is quite whacky perhaps you could make a case for us being the worst in the Union lol and could also make the case your fair lands are quite nice weatherwise and I would rank them among the best vacation spots in America (there's a reason Ohioans are the biggest Winter migrants to Florida lol.) But I have only been to the Old South, further North, and East Coast, so perhaps I am biased against Ohio having not experienced the Western climate lol.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Just the same Fort Sumter was sovereign American territory even if one recognizes the illegitimate government of the CSA. (Mind you America nor any other country in the world at that time recognized the CSA as legitimate) So technically not only did the Southerners fire the first shots of the war, but the Insurrectionists also invaded America's territory.

Who denied the South fired the first shots? No one. I don't know why you continue to repeat that. NO ONE IS ARGUING THAT.

Lol as for Ohio being the worst state in the Union. Don't make me laugh, we are simply a mediocre state in the Union if one goes by statistics, which would place the poor states like Mississippi towards the title of worst state lol. If we go by heroic past and culture though we can easily put Ohio up a bit further in the list of states as we gave ya'll the lightbulb, the airplane, and Ohio conquered the Moon first

I get it. Success came from Ohio so you like to hang on the coat tails of it. I could give many things that came out of my state, or any other state. That really means nothing. The lightbulb came from Ohio.... does that make you morally superior now? Thomas Edison gave us the lightbulb. Not Ohio. He was from there, but grew up in Michigan. crediting a whole state for one persons invention is a bit ridiculous. Chances are Edison could have lived in California or Alaska, and he probably still would have invented the lightbulb. Ohio had little to do with it, but nice try.

One thing you failed to mention is Cincinnati Ohio is one of the most racist cities in the United States.

Oh and I particularly am from Canton, birthplace of American Football Think about that next time you watch the Sueprbowl.

I don't watch the Superbowl. I could care less about football.
Are you done bragging about unnecessary things yet?

 

[Elizabeth619]

Heh though it did just occur to me if you want to rank the states by weather, seeing as Ohio weather is quite whacky perhaps you could make a case for us being the worst in the Union lol and could also make the case your fair lands are quite nice weatherwise and I would rank them among the best vacation spots in America (there's a reason Ohioans are the biggest Winter migrants to Florida lol.) But I have only been to the Old South, further North, and East Coast, so perhaps I am biased against Ohio having not experienced the Western climate lol.

Don't even get me started on weather. I could be wrong on this, but last week marked the beginning of Spring. Well, I am in Tennessee. It is snowing. I hate snow.
The south is known for bi polar climate. You could wake up in the morning and it be 70 degress. By lunchtime its 40.

I couldn't handle winter in Ohio. Id completely lose it.
My dad was a native of Toledo. I still have alot of family there too. They tend to migrate south alot in the winter.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Heh not bragging about Ohio, you asked why we're the worst, I merely gave examples in a battery of three tests why I'd ranks us as mediocre (by comparitive statistics), fairly good (by culture and people), and very poor (by weather.) I too ain't too big a fan of football or sports to be honest, but it is undoubtedly ingrained in American Culture (and the Europeans and Canadians love to rag on us for this.) and is certainly a big deal in Ohio as a state and regionally in NorthEast Ohio. (Lol, remember, I ain't bragging, after all, we got the Browns.)

As for Cinci, yes their racism is legendary and a mark of shame, though I think compared to their massive hard drug problem it is the least of their problems. Very sad for a city named after one of the few Roman Rulers who wasn't totally batcrap insane.

As for the Civil War South, the fact they fire first shots is important historically, plus they invaded our territory at Fort Sumter (and other forts prior to this too, though they were surrendered without resistance thus taken flawlessly by the South, sorta like Crimea taken flawlessly by Putin in our time.) Lol this is why Northerners don't understand how the Southerners be twisting the Civil War around to make it seem like we were the aggressors when very clearly the South were the aggressors.

Heh bi-polar climate is same for us, especially being in NE Ohio with the lake effect. It was like a warm 40 some degrees this morning when I went out and grabbed the paper, now there's snow on the ground lol. Yes Ohioans are big Snowbirds, I remember going to visit my grandparents in Naples, Florida (beautiful city!) and there were whole shops dedicated to Ohio culture (mostly sports culture.) Though I personally like the snow myself (not so much the cold wind though!) Perhaps because I was born in a blizzard, or perhaps just because I find the snow to be pretty.

That aside though, Tennessee is the state your from, very nice. I haven't been there but I like Tennessee. Davey Crockett king of the American Frontier is one of my favorite American folk heroes as a kid. Aside from that from pictures I have seen and people I have talked to it seems like a pleasant land in this day and age.

 

[Oncefallen]

I think it's funny that a thread about the KKK turned into a debate about the Civil War.

Our country was intended by the founding fathers to be a federation of sovereign states bound loosely by a weak federal government. Many of the original states when they ratified our constitution did so with the understanding that they (as a sovereign state) had the right to secede. Great men of honor such as Robert E Lee and "Stonewall" Jackson left their careers with the Union Army to fight for the Confederacy because they saw their duty to their home state (Virginia) as superseding their oaths to the US army even though both of them were personally against secession.

Once a state secedes from a governmental system then logic would say that military troops from that governmental system occupying land within that state are actually invaders. The firing on Fort Sumter would have been considered to have been a defensive action against foreign troops by the Southern states.

Sure, slavery was an underlying issue to the cause of the Civil War, however when push comes to shove the primary cause of Southern States deciding to secede was the issue of state's rights. Since the time of the Civil War our federal government has consistently expanded it's authority over the states to the point that our founding fathers, if they were to see how our country today, would assume that our Constitution had been phenomenally amended.

PS this was typed by a man with a rich Yankee family history (almost 300 years).

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I think it's funny that a thread about the KKK turned into a debate about the Civil War.

Our country was intended by the founding fathers to be a federation of sovereign states bound loosely by a weak federal government. Many of the original states when they ratified our constitution did so with the understanding that they (as a sovereign state) had the right to secede. Great men of honor such as Robert E Lee and "Stonewall" Jackson left their careers with the Union Army to fight for the Confederacy because they saw their duty to their home state (Virginia) as superseding their oaths to the US army even though both of them were personally against secession.

Once a state secedes from a governmental system then logic would say that military troops from that governmental system occupying land within that state are actually invaders. The firing on Fort Sumter would have been considered to have been a defensive action against foreign troops by the Southern states.

Sure, slavery was an underlying issue to the cause of the Civil War, however when push comes to shove the primary cause of Southern States deciding to secede was the issue of state's rights. Since the time of the Civil War our federal government has consistently expanded it's authority over the states to the point that our founding fathers, if they were to see how our country today, would assume that our Constitution had been phenomenally amended.

PS this was typed by a man with a rich Yankee family history (almost 300 years).

Interesting view point, and you would be correct if we still used the Articles of Confederation at that time lol, but we adopted Federalism when we agreed to the Constitution. Thus secession from the Union is not a viable option under the Constitution, and the writer of the Constitution and also one of the three writers of the Federalist Papers, James Madison was very much anti-secessionist. Furthermore with no foreign recognition of the CSA, their claim of sovereignty is furthermore null and void.

Though I would contend that you cannot consider the North as the invaders even if we hypothetically accepted the legitimacy of Southern Secession (which no country of that time did.) It is quite simple, the fortress or base is still American Federal sovereign territory even if in a foreign land. If we assume the CSA was recognized as its own country then Fort Sumter is still sovereign territory to the Federal Government of America, not to the Confederated State Government of South Carolina.

So it is very clear the South were the aggressors both because they illegally seceded from America, illegally raided and took possession of American bases, mints, and government property, and also by firing the opening shots of the Civil War in their illegal invasion of Fort Sumter.

Heh plus don't forget America won the war and put down the Rebellion.

EDIT: Though I do agree with your viewpoint of Robert E Lee and somewhat with Stonewall. Though Jackson seemed a lil more fanatic to me. I admire much Lee's honor and reasoning, especially noteworthy, but often forgotten, is how Lee helped tremendously in Reconstruction. Like I said, I like Lincoln, but I would even give Lee props over Lincoln.

 

[kennethcadwell]

My grandfather was a klansman. He never admitted it though. Back then you didn't tell your wife and the wife didn't question anything.
My mom told me that while they were anti black they were also a vigilante type. If a man wasn't supporting his family(of any race) they'd burn a cross in their yard as a warning. The klan originated in Pulaski TN(15 minutes from me) and a relative of mine was said to be the first grand wizard. He later left the Klan because he promoted reconciliation with the blacks. Unfortunately the klan became so widespread they couldn't contain the racism. Over the years the klan would become increasingly violent. The klan was developed under democratic veterans of the confederacy. They were white supremecists and hated republicans as much as blacks. Many prominent government officials were klansmen as well.

Margaret Sanger the founder of planned parenthood was in the woman's branch of the KKK. Harry Truman was also involved with them and many senetors as well.

And people still say America is a Christian nation...

I am from Missouri, and Harry Truman used the klan for an election ploy to get votes. Yes he paid the fee and became a member to get their votes, but he was never an active member and after he was elected he asked for the dues back and never sided with any of their policies. He was an advocate for catholic and Christian movements, and he was a big advocate for segregation. He was the one who made the bill putting African americans in the military.

 

[Angela53510]

Eh, I suppose that is debateable.

One could argue the Creation of America helped begin the fall of the British Empire and also allowed an environment that cultivated a large growth in Christianity and a spread of Christian ethics and the message of the Gospel throughout the world.

On the other hand one could read the End Times Prophecies and clearly see that the world will be destroyed by fire and thus the formation of any earthly government is totally irrelevant.

Quite an intersting topic of ponderance indeed.

I do not think the British Empire fell because of one corrupt and insane king, George III, and a few tattered revolutionaries who birthed a nation in violence. In fact, it was the wars with the Kaiser and Hitler that bankrupted Britain.

The missionary movement was actually jump-started in Britain, after the Moravians sent out missionaries, and the British realized it was God's purpose to spread the gospel from their example. And how many Americans have attended a 100 year prayer meeting? Well, the Moravians did that - prayed night and day for a 100 years. My SIL is a descendent of those Moravian missionaries.

Ironic about the civil war, if you are talking about Britain. Slavery in the British Empire was completely abolished in 1833, meaning ALL of the countries around the world who were colonies of Britian, except for the secessionist Americans, who had to fight a civil war over it. Oh, and it was William Wilberforce, a Christian, called by God to lead the abolition movement who fought in the British Parliament for 26 years to end slavery, after he was converted to evangelical Christianity.

There are a number of members in this forum who are still members of the British Commonwealth. My husband is proud to be of the descent of United Empire Loyalists, those loyal to their homeland and the British crown, who escaped to Canada.

From where I look, the American Revolution looks not much different than the French or the Russian Revolution. I am proud to be of British descent and that we were not traitors, like the Americans!

However, I am glad you finally followed the British and abolished slavery, over 35 years later! However, the legacy of slavery is one, from this discussion, which haunts the US to this day!

(When will people remember that this is NOT an American forum?? And hey, didn't I start this thread? It was supposed to be about modern day KKK, not the civil war, I thought!)

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I do not think the British Empire fell because of one corrupt and insane king, George III, and a few tattered revolutionaries who birthed a nation in violence. In fact, it was the wars with the Kaiser and Hitler that bankrupted Britain.

The missionary movement was actually jump-started in Britain, after the Moravians sent out missionaries, and the British realized it was God's purpose to spread the gospel from their example. And how many Americans have attended a 100 year prayer meeting? Well, the Moravians did that - prayed night and day for a 100 years. My SIL is a descendent of those Moravian missionaries.

Ironic about the civil war, if you are talking about Britain. Slavery in the British Empire was completely abolished in 1833, meaning ALL of the countries around the world who were colonies of Britian, except for the secessionist Americans, who had to fight a civil war over it. Oh, and it was William Wilberforce, a Christian, called by God to lead the abolition movement who fought in the British Parliament for 26 years to end slavery, after he was converted to evangelical Christianity.

There are a number of members in this forum who are still members of the British Commonwealth. My husband is proud to be of the descent of United Empire Loyalists, those loyal to their homeland and the British crown, who escaped to Canada.

From where I look, the American Revolution looks not much different than the French or the Russian Revolution. I am proud to be of British descent and that we were not traitors, like the Americans!

However, I am glad you finally followed the British and abolished slavery, over 35 years later! However, the legacy of slavery is one, from this discussion, which haunts the US to this day!

(When will people remember that this is NOT an American forum?? And hey, didn't I start this thread? It was supposed to be about modern day KKK, not the civil war, I thought!)

Heh, I agree with much with your post indeed and what I don't agree with I do enjoy your perspective.

Though I would still contend the American Revolution is the starting point of the end for the British Empire's dominance (though it could be argued as the British Crown is sovereign over the Commonwealth that the sun still hasn't set on their Empire.)

Heh, and I enjoyed your analogy of how all us Americans are traitors to the Crown lol. To be honest I was pondering earlier today that a Brit might bring this fact up lol. Though I could also argue the Crown signed an agreement giving us rebellious Yanks our freedom.

To understand the KKK and Southern Secessionism one must hearken back to our American Civil War though, so I feel the topic is quite appropriate (plus they start ragging on Lincoln and the Union so, what choice have I being an American Unionist? (lol think of being in favor of the Union as being akin to being a Royalist in your culture ))

However, this is a fun point you bring up and we can draw parallels to it. An example I would use to tie in with the idea of civil wars, and the extremist groups that spawn out of it would be those pesky IRA boys. Who is rightful ruler of Ireland? The Sinn Fein or the House of Windsor? Either way you cut it though the IRA, especially the Provos are little more than terrorist rebels whom will never unite Eire.

Though in the Irish defense (and I never see them bring up this technicality) they were last conquered to my knowledge completely by Oliver Cromwell during the English Civil War. Cromwell of course was a Parliamentarian (until he dissolve the Parliament and became Lord Protector.) Thus one could technically argue the British Crown has no right to rule over Ireland as the Royalists came back to power after Cromwell's demise, and of course the Royal House has changed a few times since that time.

But then again the history of Britain is quite longer and more storied than America's and thus much more complicated, and I have not as much background in it. Though no doubt British History is very epic and I still seek to know more about it.

 

[Elizabeth619]

I think it's funny that a thread about the KKK turned into a debate about the Civil War.

Our country was intended by the founding fathers to be a federation of sovereign states bound loosely by a weak federal government. Many of the original states when they ratified our constitution did so with the understanding that they (as a sovereign state) had the right to secede. Great men of honor such as Robert E Lee and "Stonewall" Jackson left their careers with the Union Army to fight for the Confederacy because they saw their duty to their home state (Virginia) as superseding their oaths to the US army even though both of them were personally against secession.

Once a state secedes from a governmental system then logic would say that military troops from that governmental system occupying land within that state are actually invaders. The firing on Fort Sumter would have been considered to have been a defensive action against foreign troops by the Southern states.

Sure, slavery was an underlying issue to the cause of the Civil War, however when push comes to shove the primary cause of Southern States deciding to secede was the issue of state's rights. Since the time of the Civil War our federal government has consistently expanded it's authority over the states to the point that our founding fathers, if they were to see how our country today, would assume that our Constitution had been phenomenally amended.

PS this was typed by a man with a rich Yankee family history (almost 300 years).

I'll shut up about the war after this, but it is funny how many people claim the war was all about slavery. Can someone tell me why slaves fought for the confederacy then? I have ancestors that fought for the confederacy, and I can tell you for a fact that blacks fought under them.

 

[Elizabeth619]

I am from Missouri, and Harry Truman used the klan for an election ploy to get votes. Yes he paid the fee and became a member to get their votes, but he was never an active member and after he was elected he asked for the dues back and never sided with any of their policies. He was an advocate for catholic and Christian movements, and he was a big advocate for segregation. He was the one who made the bill putting African americans in the military.

Well, that's just a noble thing isn't it?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I'll shut up about the war after this, but it is funny how many people claim the war was all about slavery. Can someone tell me why slaves fought for the confederacy then? I have ancestors that fought for the confederacy, and I can tell you for a fact that blacks fought under them.

Aye you are correct the Civil War wasn't all about slavery. Though it is still fair to say that the institution of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade was a big part of the Civil War. You are also very correct many black people fought on both sides!

While we must keep in mind slavery have a lot to do with the lead-up to the War, my viewpoint is the war was mostly because of Southern Insurrection. At least for how it began. Thing with Civil Wars, whether we're looking at the American Civil War, the English Civil War, or even the Romance of the Three Kingdoms (one of many known Chinese civil wars) all Civil Wars are basically nationalist brother on brother violence which is of course typically the most brutal sort of warfare. So once a war that furious begins, it pretty much doesn't mean crap what started it anyways lol, everything just goes to crap.

Hence why you can see why even though I am very much politically against Obama and the utterly failed Democrat and Republican Parties of today why I will not stand for secession or a civil war in my lifetime, because you might as well kiss this civilization good bye at that point. Though like I said there are a few instances in which I would not side with the government primarily due to religious reasons, but if those reasons are violated, way I see it the God will be destroying the land anyways, no need for me to raise a sword.

(also note: I don't fault your ancestor or nothing for fighting for the South unless he was Jefferson Davis himself or one of the major politicos responsible for the War of Southern Aggression. Way I see it most the common men of both sides just be fighting because they have little choice otherwise. I also have direct ancestry that fought on both sides.)

Seems to me a lot of Southerners today are real touchy about the Civil War because they don't want to be branded as racists lol. Don't worry about that sister, we don't think you're racist. Lol I think the reason most Northerners who give a crap about Civil War History take offense to the dixie flag and the Southern Civil War revisionism is because the Confederacy blatantly betrayed the nation, not cause we think you're racist lol. Rest of the folks are vapid and don't even care to begin with and just want to go vacation on Myrtle Beach or something.

I think the problem of the White Southerner Racist Stereotype ties into the KKK, as the KKK is a big pusher on the whole Confederacy Pride rhetoric and flat out lies trying to excuse the South's role in betraying America. Then for the Northerner and Westerner and even Foreign people that only have a rudimentary knowledge of US Civil War History they then err in assuming all Southerners are racists or that the Civil War was all about slavery. Problem arises that much of the Southerners are taught much of the rhetoric for why the South rebelled and started the War and thus from an outsider's perspective its real easy for some to confuse the two based on similar rhetoric.

Don't worry though, I personally don't think you're racist nor most Southerners. Maybe fiercely loyal of ye homeland even though they started the War, but personally I find that to be somewhat admirable. Gotta fight for your neighborhood after all even if the leaders did bite off more than they can chew.

 

[AslanII]

The KKK is recruiting people in various communities in the US. Said Frank Ancona,

""We want to stay white,” Ancona said. “It's not a hateful thing to want to maintain white supremacy."

KKK Leader Disputes Hate Group Label: 'We're A Christian Organization'

Not hateful to want to maintain white supremacy? I wonder which Bible they are reading? Not any translations I know of, nor the Jesus that I follow!

“You can sleep tonight knowing the Klan is awake!” the fliers said, according to the Chicago Tribune." REALLY??!!

This is just ridiculous !! I wonder what will they do when they get to heaven and there are people of all nations there? I'd love to know what Scriptures they use to justify this one...

 

[gb9]

well, we are still called Dixie. we have a song called the same. they taught the song in school along side, but first of course, with the battle hymn of the republic.