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[jennymae]

Go back in this topic and see who brought up the Civil War first and who be telling lies about the North. That's why I jumped in here. I ain't gonna sit back and watch ya'll rewrite history to try to abrogate the South's betrayl, because that's what it was, a betrayl.

I'm sorry you're hurt by what the leaders of the South chose to do over 100 years ago. It was blatant betrayl though. The Secessionists betrayed the country, started the most bloody war in American history, and then lost the war. Part of losing the war means the blame is on them. What you think is the aftermath when we "conquered" Kaiser's Germany, the Nazis, and the Japanese Empire? You start the war, you lose that war, you take the reprocussions, that's all there is to it.

And yea America is pretty merciful to those it defeats in war. In case you didn't know America spent tons of resources in Reconstruction Era, didn't even hang the traitors in the high political circles of the Secessionists, even allowed many of them like Davis to walk around freely, and even reinstated the full states rights of the South. That's pretty darn merciful for a victor in their most bloody war if you know anything about the history of warfare, especially when it was the South that was the aggressor.

Do Southerners think flying the rebel flag, threatening that "The South will rise again," threatening to secede from the Union, and talking smack about Lincoln and telling lies about all those in the North saying it is OUR fault that the war started despite all clear proof that the South clearly betrayed the country and began the War is respectful?

Dixie died before either of us were born, and today there is only America. I think Southerners need to get that through their mind before they go on about how bad the North and Lincoln is, cause the North didn't start the Civil War, but they did finish it, and they had no choice but to fight when the Rebels be invading our land, shooting our people first, and dividing our land. South don't have any excuses so stop blaming USA for the war the Rebels started.

Like Elisabeth619 allready has pointed out, this is not about north/south, it is about you failing to realize that folks might could get offended by your speeches. Why is it so important to bring the South down? War between states is over. There aint no reason for lengthy speeches calling out how bad the South was, and by doing so implying how bad the South is. I sure hope you will realize that taming your tongue might be something to consider, because reading what you've been writing is real sad.

 

[SonInMe]

Clarence Thomas in an article about racism, stated, he did not feel racism in the south in the Jim Crow era as much as he felt it in the liberal northeast.

http://news.yahoo.com/clarence-thomas-on-race-194104252.html

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Like Elisabeth619 allready has pointed out, this is not about north/south, it is about you failing to realize that folks might could get offended by your speeches. Why is it so important to bring the South down? War between states is over. There aint no reason for lengthy speeches calling out how bad the South was, and by doing so implying how bad the South is. I sure hope you will realize that taming your tongue might be something to consider, because reading what you've been writing is real sad.

Pretty simple, can't bring the South down, South has all ready been brought down. From where I sit way I see it ya'll started by trying to bring America down. Like I've said, and it seems everyone ignoring this. Who be talking crap about the North and Lincoln first? Metaphorical Fort Sumter if you will. I see North being attacked for nothing first, time to go burn metaphorical Atlanta down.

Why bring America down?

 

[Elizabeth619]

Clarence Thomas in an article about racism, stated, he did not feel racism in the south in the Jim Crow era as much as he felt it in the liberal northeast.

http://news.yahoo.com/clarence-thomas-on-race-194104252.html

This doesn't surprise me one bit.

 

[PennEd]

This doesn't surprise me one bit.

These people hate and fear a black person who thinks for himself.

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[GodIsSalvation]

Clarence Thomas in an article about racism, stated, he did not feel racism in the south in the Jim Crow era as much as he felt it in the liberal northeast.

http://news.yahoo.com/clarence-thomas-on-race-194104252.html

Aye now this is a fair point for AFTER the Civil War. Yes there was much racism in the Jim Crow South, to say otherwise be dishonest.

However, after Civil War and abolishing slavery it does seem to me that in general the South was quite reconciliatory towards black people. A good example going back to Robert E. Lee, whom like I said I give much credit to, not even so much in Civil War context, but check out Lee during Reconstruction. He did a lot to reconcile buoth nationalism and racism problems that arose due to the Civil War. Now it be fair to say the South wasn't like some racist-free land because it is where KKK spawned out of (whom I personally feel weren't even totally based on racism but were also basically an insurrectionist terrorist group.)

However it is more than fair to say that quite ironically after the Civil War where one could say the North valiantly freed the slaves that throughout a lot of the North a lot of the most hardcore racism began forming. Things such as the beginning of segregation. Plus really death of Lincoln is a big part of that. I can't blame South for John Wilkes Booth, unfortunatly he was a Northerner who was sympathetic to the traitor regime, and then betrayed his own side by killing goodly Lincoln.


Not only that, but when people think of racism in America as a whole, they often think of white vs black racism. Let's look past that for one second, because quite frankly its not like the South can talk too much crap about the North on that subject lol. If you really want to get into the nitty gritty of where the North was very racist during the War and after, look into racism against the Irish. North has to swallow that one, stuff like the massacres in NYC, indentured servitude (basically contractual slavery), segregation of Irish immigrants, etc.

 

[jennymae]

...time to go burn metaphorical Atlanta down.

I can't believe you actually said that...

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I can't believe you actually said that...

Lol and I can't believe people actually support the traitorous regime of the Confederacy despite everyone on this board is a citizen of the Union.

Let's be clear here:

The Union = The regime of the United States of America

The Rebels = The regime of the Confederate States of America.

So it is not a lie to say the regime of the CSA betrayed blatanly the regime of the United States of America. That is a well established fact. All of you and me are citizens today of the regime of the United States of America. You all and me live in the North. War ain't a desirable thing, but the rebel insurrectionist regime of the CSA started the Civil War, and this is the truth. What was the North supposed to do when the CSA betrayed the country? You can't be lukewarm if you fight a war. You either do it or you don't, there is no room for lukewarmness in war. Ya'll throwing around Bible threats on me, I'd advise you to look why King Saul was cursed and lost his kingship.

 

[Elizabeth619]

These people hate and fear a black person who thinks for himself.

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Bryant did the right thing. It just goes to show the color of ones skin trumps truth and evidence.

 

[Angela53510]

Also you shouldn't be hurt by the fact the Old South blatantly betrayed America. That's not a personal attack on you, that's just history.

Consider this, as Angela correctly point out technically America as a whole blatantly betrayed and seceded from the British Crown. Lol, though the USA did win that war and forced the Brits to sign a piece of paper in Paris that says we're not traitors but rather Revolutionaries. Though it is still fair to call us Secessionists from a British point of view.

Lol and I am also kinda surprised she didn't bring up the fact that America actually aggressively invaded Canada and believe it or not, Canadians whooped the crap out of America and burnt down our Capital. But I guess in fairness that war ended basically in stalemate. So we're not traitors to Canada in that regard, though we are aggressive invaders and as a consequence of failing to conquer Canada have to respect Canada's boundaries.

Ain't hurt me personally that the Canadians whooped us and America are savage invaders of Canada, lol, that's just history.

I was trying very hard not to show nationalistic superiority! LOL Burning down the White House remains one of our glory days, although the government tries to pretend it didn't happen. Instead, they just run ads showing Laura Second running through a Canadian forest (in summer, not winter!) in her long gowns to warn the British and fight off the invasion. But turn about is fair play, and we have happily maintained our sovereignty and our universal health care system. Oh wait, that came much, much later!

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I was trying very hard not to show nationalistic superiority! LOL Burning down the White House remains one of our glory days, although the government tries to pretend it didn't happen. Instead, they just run ads showing Laura Second running through a Canadian forest (in summer, not winter!) in her long gowns to warn the British and fight off the invasion. But turn about is fair play, and we have happily maintained our sovereignty and our universal health care system. Oh wait, that came much, much later!

Heh indeed. Personally way I see it Canadians are more than entitled to talk about their great victory in defeating the aggressive American invaders and justified in their mighty Canadian Retribution of destroying our Capital. That's just history. To say otherwise be dishonest. Heh and when we get into ancestry I even have an ancestor that fought in the War of 1812 against ye mighty Canadians. But I ain't offended cause the year right now is 2014. Lol, plus if I wanted to I could argue Canada the nation didn't actually burn down the White House but rather the British did because Canada didn't even get their semi-independent status until later and were under more direct control of the Crown (but then we'd have to get into Brit politics of Royalists vs Parliamentarianists so we'll just keep it simple and say Canadians meaning British citizens of the Crown living in Canada during the early 1800s.)

This a good example to show you as an outsider the viewpoints of why we even got problems in America today because of the Civil War. And helps you understand the KKK and also Southerner dismay over the KKK cause it is true many people both Americans and foreigners do in fact err in stereotyping all Southerners as racists because of the KKK and the traitorous Confederacy that preceded them..

Look how many people living in South USA are offended because I call the Confederacy traitors, which the Confederacy is indeed provably traitors. But look at the irony in these southerners calling me offensive because they are not citizens of the Confederacy because Dixie died 100 years ago and today in 2014 everyone here that is American are all in fact citizens of the USA which is the Union.

Now let's look at the KKK, the KKK formed out of primarily disenfranchised Confederate sympathizers that couldn't deal with the fact that the Confederacy were traitors that started the Civil War and then lost the war they started, as others here have pointed out (many of them Southern USA Union citizens.) And of course in later years because of the Jim Crow Laws, Civil Rights movements, and evolution of American culture, the KKK also develop highly racist attitudes mostly towards blacks and anyone that support America which is the Union. Not entirely too sure myself where they get their hate of the Jews particularly, but my hunch is they are occultist pagans given the titles they call themselves like Wizard and Dragon and their emblems and rituals of burning crosses and such.

So from that spectrum its very easy for you as a non-American to see how all this come about. Really it goes back to the traitorous Confederacy. Without the Confederacy betraying the United States of America there'd have never ever been a KKK. So it be fair in my opinion to call the KKK a traitorous organization as well as racists and terrorists which they truthfully are.

However I see where the modern day citizen of the Southern Union be so dismayed when one calls the KKK racist or calls the Confederacy traitors. They think we are talking about them. This is not the case because anyone living in the southern states today is a member of the Union that valiantly crushed the traitorous Confederacy. What dismays me is the Southerners here think I am calling them personally racists and traitors, this is not the case, I have not made one personal attack agaisnt one person despite many personal attacks leveraged against me and my country (and ironically their country too!) In fact I have pointed out that I do not think of one person here in this thread as a racist or traitor. My attacks aren't even attacks they are historical facts that clearly display the Confederacy which is dead now were traitors. Some were racists like Jefferson Davis, but some were not racists and even didn't support the Confederacy's betrayl, but merely wished to defend their homeland from fierce and justified Northern Retribution like Robert E. Lee. I have all ready stated many times I do not think most the people in today's Southern Union are racists, nor that racism is a problem that affects only the Southern Union (I have shown how it affects the Northern Union myself.)

Lol really it is simple if we take it as simple, but unfortunately, in America and this World nothing is too simple.

 

[Angela53510]

Actually, I learned all about the civil war when I was going to school in the US. I spent two years there, while my father was working on his Master's and Ph.D.

But one of my highlights was when I was around 7 or 8 in California. We were visiting someone, and the children went next door. There was a very elderly lady there, with a confederate flag on the wall, taking up a good part of her living room (parlour??) I asked her what country the flag was from (she talked like a Southerner, but I was a little young to know that!) and she launched into her personal history of the civil war, and that her "pappy" fought for the Confederacy. So I actually met someone who's father fought as a young man in that war, and also didn't die!

I asked my parents a lot of questions about the civil war, which they didn't have a lot of answers, except to say that all people were equal, but some people wanted to keep slaves, which was wrong. My father played pro football with blacks and even Asians back a long time ago, so I was accustomed to having people from other races in my home, and going to their place. One of the wives came to my Dad's funeral from that team.

I guess that is a profound experience, learning so young about slavery, and how bad it really was for those people. And when I was in school, I asked a lot more questions from a teacher who was originally from Montana, and had a very northern perspective on the issue, too!

 

[SonInMe]

You do know most of the lynchings in the south of blacks after the Civil War was not because they were black but because they voted for republicans.

During Jim Crow there were many successful black businesses that died after integration.

In the early 70's integration was forced. Now Spike Lee wants to keep Harlem black.....voluntary segregation.

The Civil war was not about slavery, but states rights. Slavery was an add on. While the issue was slavery, Lincoln didn't do this nation a lot of good by growing the federal governments power.

Slavery had to end. It was going to be very nasty, and it was. Thousands died and the slaves were freed......

private ownership of people stopped, but public ownership now thrives on levels that dwarfs any private ownership of slaves.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Actually, I learned all about the civil war when I was going to school in the US. I spent two years there, while my father was working on his Master's and Ph.D.

But one of my highlights was when I was around 7 or 8 in California. We were visiting someone, and the children went next door. There was a very elderly lady there, with a confederate flag on the wall, taking up a good part of her living room (parlour??) I asked her what country the flag was from (she talked like a Southerner, but I was a little young to know that!) and she launched into her personal history of the civil war, and that her "pappy" fought for the Confederacy. So I actually met someone who's father fought as a young man in that war, and also didn't die!

I asked my parents a lot of questions about the civil war, which they didn't have a lot of answers, except to say that all people were equal, but some people wanted to keep slaves, which was wrong. My father played pro football with blacks and even Asians back a long time ago, so I was accustomed to having people from other races in my home, and going to their place. One of the wives came to my Dad's funeral from that team.

I guess that is a profound experience, learning so young about slavery, and how bad it really was for those people. And when I was in school, I asked a lot more questions from a teacher who was originally from Montana, and had a very northern perspective on the issue, too!

Heh this is a great story really. Though I have to tell you I see an error in your flaw, but that's forgivable since you haven't been as immersed in American Civil Warlore and culture. I like this perspective, and really big reason I liek the itnernet is cause I have been able to talk to people and get their perspectives from outside America, which quite frankly be impossible for a mere peasant like me otherwise.

Heh everytime you say the Cause of the Civil War is slavery, Southerners in here are goign to get nervous and argue that its not the caue of the Civil War cause they afraid you think they're racist. This is cause most Southerners aren't racist, they are good people, some of the warmest and friendliest in all the regions of America in fact (unless you bring up the Civil War lol!)

They try to make excuses for the Traitor Confederacy. They wil ltell you the cause wasn't salvery that it was "States rights." However that's half truth. Cause what states rights issue? The issue was slavery and the expansion of slavery into the Western Territories as they reached ripening for statehood. But even this isn't the cause of the Civil War.

The cause is Secession. Secession=Rebellion=Betrayl. Even after the South states secede on paper with no coutnry recognizing them and began following the Confederacy Lincoln didn't start the Civil War. Even after the Confederacy began seizing forts and mints and government buildings Lincoln didn't start the war but tried to negotiate a peaceful settlement. Then when the South started popping off gunfire at Fort Sumter, federal American owned land, then the Civil War was ON.

So the cause isn't slavery, its betrayl.

Let's Parable this violent episode of history. Then ye Southerners will know I am not trying to insult you personally but I gotta be honest and hoest fact is Confederates betrayed America. This aint' a personal attack, but let's personalize here the forces of this episode of American History. And this is how my mind works.

If the cause were state rights to own slaves the Parable be: North is a Man, South is a Woman, North killed the Woman because she owned slaves. This parable is not true historically and obviously America didn't kill his woman because the South is still around.

The correct Civil War Parable would be: America is a Man, South is his girlfriend, Confederacy an evil dragon. The Confederacy betrayed America and kidnapped his Southern Belle. Then the Dixie Dragon put Belle to sleep in his Castle while he start punching holes in America's Castle. America had a tough fight at first but prevailed over the Dixie Dragon. Then America stormed in all powerful retribution the Dragon Castle, broke the spells on his Southern Belle, killed the traitor Dixie Dragon, and rescued his Southern Belle girlfriend, got married, had American babies, and lived happily ever after until the end of the World.