Legalizing Marijuana

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This is too sick to even continue arguing over. Pathetic. Drugs kill people. People, do, and will die because of drugs. Any drug. Marijuana, cocaine, heroin, ibuprofen, all those can kill people. End of discussion. And if Christians want to legalize something that has and will kill people, then we may as well damn them to hell right now.
I think Christians should know better than to use drugs for recreational purposes. I will use ibuprofen when I have a toothache.
 

Smoke

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This is too sick to even continue arguing over. Pathetic. Drugs kill people. People, do, and will die because of drugs. Any drug. Marijuana, cocaine, heroin, ibuprofen, all those can kill people. End of discussion. And if Christians want to legalize something that has and will kill people, then we may as well damn them to hell right now.
Ha... I don't mean any offense brother, but I'm laughing at the irony of your message and your user name.

Maybe you aren't a champion of the 2nd amendment, I don't know, but guns don't murder people... people abuse guns and murder people. Even law abiding gun owners accidentally kill people... we call these cases accidents.

Similarly, drugs don't kill people, people who abuse drugs kill people/themselves. Even if one abused pure/clean marijuana, they aren't going to accidentally smoke themselves to death.

If you're for outlawing anything that people can abuse that could lead to loss of life, then hand over your colt 45 (and your bullets). "Guns kill people" just as apparently smoking pure marijuana does too.
 
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I think Christians should know better than to use drugs for recreational purposes. I will use ibuprofen when I have a toothache.
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WOW, resurrection,

you really are a rebel, imagine, using the drug ibuprofen just for a silly ole 'TOOTH-ACHE'...

hint, go to Wal-Mart or Health-Food-Store and buy some 100% TeaTree OIL, it's really like a
whole, natural, God-given medicine, from sore teeth, gums, to a cut from a chain saw, to a
wonderful linement, any kind of sore, bite, etc...

see where threads can lead us to, all different kinds of Godly Healings...:rolleyes:
 
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WOW, resurrection,

you really are a rebel, imagine, using the drug ibuprofen just for a silly ole 'TOOTH-ACHE'...

hint, go to Wal-Mart or Health-Food-Store and buy some 100% TeaTree OIL, it's really like a
whole, natural, God-given medicine, from sore teeth, gums, to a cut from a chain saw, to a
wonderful linement, any kind of sore, bite, etc...

see where threads can lead us to, all different kinds of Godly Healings...:rolleyes:
I stay away from drugs, including alcohol and caffeine (won't even eat chocolate because of the caffeine it has), but when I have a toothache, I'll take some aspirin or ibuprofen.
 

Socreta93

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Question is eating chocolate bad since it's now a "drug"? I stay away from alcohol and drugs for obvious reasons but will always love chocolate. God forgive me for my sins
 
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Question is eating chocolate bad since it's now a "drug"? I stay away from alcohol and drugs for obvious reasons but will always love chocolate. God forgive me for my sins
I don't go near caffeine. I used to like chocolate but I don't miss it, and I'm probably thirty pounds lighter because I don't eat it.
 

notbythesword

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As someone who has lived in Colorado for over 25 years now, I felt it was important to address this topic. I have seen the effects of legalization first hand, both before and after legalization in my state. I have seen both the pros and cons of legalizing this substance.

First, let me just say that the logic of justifying the consumption or smoking of pot, solely based on Biblical verses like Genesis 1:29, is not really a good excuse to use. We also have Poison Ivy, Amanita Phalloides, Hemlock, etc. Just because something “grows naturally”, doesn’t mean that it’s good to eat and smoke.

I personally feel like plants like Marijuana and Poppy, were in fact, originally created for the (short term) treatment of pain. Before the medical advances that modern technology has brought, in ancient times, pain would have to be controlled with these natural alternatives. If you broke a leg and it needed to be reset, you would probably want to take something first.

However, I personally don’t believe that God would be wanting us to be taking mind altering drugs habitually. I’ve seen the effects of pot on both family members and friends first hand. I’ve seen differences in both long and short term use. I also know people who are extremely heavy users. I’ve seen the changes that have been taking place in my community. These are a few things that I have observed…

1: The homeless population has surged in numbers.

In my opinion, there are three main reasons for this. The first is that more people are just choosing not to work and basically just smoke pot all day. The second is that with the novelty of legalization, more people are flocking to live in Colorado. This causes rent to increase, causing some to not to be able to afford their monthly payment. And lastly, many transients choose to make their home where they have easy access to pot.

Here’s the type of news story you may see while living in Colorado.

Salvation Army Captain says Denver on “breaking point” with homeless population | FOX31 Denver

2: Crime is currently on the rise.

Many actually suspected that by legalizing pot, in turn, crime would surely decrease. Everyone would be “chill”, right? However, it seems like Colorado is now experiencing a surge in both violent and non-violent crimes. Gang violence has also become much more prevalent. While some may choose to view this as simply coincidental, I do not. I have personally observed an increase in various areas.

Crime rose in every Denver neighborhood last year | 9news.com


3: Pot can definitely be “emotional dependent” for some.

I’ve known people who were unable to pay their rent simply because they spent all their money on weed. I’ve seen a fellow employee get fired for taking a “smoke break” during lunch. I’ve seen relationships end because basically pot was more important. I’ve seen a lot of dumb decisions in which marijuana was elevated over what should have been more of a priority.

One thing that I noticed is that many of my friends and acquaintances mainly chose to smoke to alleviate stress. It seemed that whenever any stress in life arose…the pot was always there to nullify the unwanted emotion. For some, this led to an emotional dependence. Sometimes when they were out of pot, they would really freak out. It seemed like for some, they were no longer able to cope as well with normal stressful situations in life without the drug to manage it.

4: Legalization by no means has stopped illegal transactions.

Both legal and illegal sales of marijuana have been flourishing in Colorado. In fact, I’ve heard people joke that mainly the tourist or people without connections in Colorado, are the ones who pay for the dispensary stuff. If you don’t mind paying extra, you get a quality product from the dispensaries. However, many would rather pay much less and continue to get it from the black market.

The fact that Colorado heavily taxes the marijuana before you buy it, makes it much more expensive than the tax free underground stuff. Compound this with the fact that now anyone can have up to an ounce on them at a time, and you can see how trafficking would only be easier.

Police crack down on Craigslist marijuana sales | FOX31 Denver

The reason that I’m sharing this, is because I feel like there is a huge misconception among some in the pro pot community. This idea that there are absolutely no negative consequences with pot is somewhat misguided to me. I’m not trying to say that people shouldn’t be allowed to make their own decisions in life, I believe in personal liberty, but I’m just trying to show a few problems that I have noticed.

This is only a handful of issues regarding this topic, and some of the problems that I see with Colorado’s legalization may indeed be alleviated if and when a national legalization took place, but then, a national legalization would most likely have many unforeseen negative consequences as well. I personally do not view the legalization of pot in my community as having a more positive than negative outcome. For this reason, I have no desire to make it more widely available.
 

zeroturbulence

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If it wasn't for marijuana we wouldn't have reggae!

 

posthuman

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"This world needs is more reggae!"
[video=youtube;N2fi6Os_bws]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2fi6Os_bws[/video]

this song could use a little more Monty G ((gospel reggae)) and a little less Json ((gospel rap)) IMHO
 

RickyZ

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I support legalizing it but I dont use it and dont have any desire to either. My friends used it when I was younger and all it did was mellow them out and make them giggle at stupid things. I think people around here could use a lot of mellowing out. Everyone seems so uptight all the time and ready to tell someone off at any moment. People need to chill out!
Once when I was seeing doctor for stress he stated that you never see potheads shooting up the local McDonalds, instead they are there supporting local commerce :)
 

RickyZ

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Are Christians who want pot kept illegal because they believe the Bible preaches against it, any different from muslims who want things made illegal because they believe their koran preaches against it?

Does the Bible preach an absolute theocracy?
 

Tommy379

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I think we should do a trial run on legalizing all drugs. We could take a state we don't need or care about, like New Mexico, and build a wall around it. Put all the drugs in there and all the drug users. They can use until their heads and hearts explode.
 

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Did Decriminalizing Marijuana Cause a Heroin Epidemic?
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/...iminalizing-marijuana-cause-a-heroin-epidemic

Now that many U.S. drug consumers can buy cheaper American-grown marijuana, the Sinaloa Cartel in Mexico has suffered a 40 percent drop in marijuana sales. So Sinaloa operatives analyzed the market and devised a new business plan. The cartel has increased production of Mexican heroin by almost 70 percent and has raised the purity level of the drug from 46 to 90 percent. By flooding the U.S. with “cinnamon” heroin as strong as the East Asian product, it is hoping to make up for declining marijuana sales
 

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Did Decriminalizing Marijuana Cause a Heroin Epidemic?
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/...iminalizing-marijuana-cause-a-heroin-epidemic

Now that many U.S. drug consumers can buy cheaper American-grown marijuana, the Sinaloa Cartel in Mexico has suffered a 40 percent drop in marijuana sales. So Sinaloa operatives analyzed the market and devised a new business plan. The cartel has increased production of Mexican heroin by almost 70 percent and has raised the purity level of the drug from 46 to 90 percent. By flooding the U.S. with “cinnamon” heroin as strong as the East Asian product, it is hoping to make up for declining marijuana sales
Well....the CIA is flooding Iran with afghani heroin as we speak. Iran is one of, if not thee most ravaged countries in the world by heroin use.....and one of our govt agencies is very likely behind it. It's an age old trick in destabilizing a nation state.
 
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I really can't respond in the fashion that I want to here because then I would have to ban myself permanently. The only moderately polite way that I can respond to these posts is to say that someone sold you a load of garbage and you bought it because the alternative possibility is that you intentionally and bold faced lied in your posts (which I really hope is not the case).



http://www.factcheck.org/2016/08/unpacking-pots-impact-in-colorado/

Traffic deaths in which marijuana was "involved" is up 154% from 2006 (37) to 2014 (94). Now, in order for marijuana to be "involved" one of the drivers involved only had to have a positive THC test, not necessarily be impaired or be the at fault driver. Some recorded instances of "pot related" accidents have had barely readable levels of THC and over twice the legal limit of alcohol so that 154% is higher than it really should be since many "pot related" accidents were drunk drivers.

Two Years Later: Has the Legalization of Marijuana Affected Crime in Colorado?

Denver crime stats since marijuana legalization buck fears of Louisiana lawmakers over lowering penalties | NOLA.com

Overall the crime rate has decreased since the legalization of marijuana.




More hogwash. There was a pot shop security guard killed in the Denver area back in June of this year. That is the only murder of a pot shop employee that I was able to find that happened in Colorado. Yes, pot shops get broken into and have merchandise stolen but so do gun stores, liquor stores, etc. In most pot shop robberies the perps are after the cash not the marijuana.



And alcohol and tobacco are the gateway drugs to marijuana.





Once again, I live in Colorado and know better. The legal age for purchasing/possessing recreational marijuana is 21. Possession of marijuana or paraphernalia by someone under 21 is a violation of CRS18-13-122



It is illegal to smoke pot in ANY public place (other than the few municipalities that have ok'ed pot lounges).





Where do you get this garbage??




*You cannot give Reputation to the same post twice.*
 
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Reagan fired the first shot in the class war. He's the reason the average worker hasn't seen an effective raise in over 30 years, and why the average worker no longer has health and retirement benefits. He's the reason corporations pay no tax and park trillions of dollars offshore. He's the force that created the 1%. The middle class began to die the day he took office.

There that oughta stir the hornets nest. The truth usually does.
I agree with everything but the 1%. They've been around for over 100 years.
 

SkittlePumpkin

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When people say that weed is a gateway drug, or compare marijuana to heroin, meth, and/or cocaine:
 
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Ha... I don't mean any offense brother, but I'm laughing at the irony of your message and your user name.

Maybe you aren't a champion of the 2nd amendment, I don't know, but guns don't murder people... people abuse guns and murder people. Even law abiding gun owners accidentally kill people... we call these cases accidents.

Similarly, drugs don't kill people, people who abuse drugs kill people/themselves. Even if one abused pure/clean marijuana, they aren't going to accidentally smoke themselves to death.

If you're for outlawing anything that people can abuse that could lead to loss of life, then hand over your colt 45 (and your bullets). "Guns kill people" just as apparently smoking pure marijuana does too.
*immediately has mental image of pothead smoking burrito-sized joint trying to commit suicide, ROFL!*