Media failing us again, sensationalizing Covid-19

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UnitedWithChrist

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Well, here you have it, folks.

Word of Faith preacher Kenneth Copeland claims that he has destroyed Covid19.

This is why I cannot take charismatic/Pentecostal/Word of Faith people seriously.

These groups co-mingle, so please don't take me to task for generalizing.

And, if you do take me to task, do you agree that Kenneth Copeland is a false teacher? Because, from my experience, most from this subculture will not condemn the teachings of people like him.

 

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The reaction is overblown....in Canada 2,000 people die each year in car accidents, another 10,000 on top of that are seriously injured. Does that mean we shut down all motor vehicle traffic, and feign disgust toward anyone who doesn't agree?
The same with allowing alcohol, and marijuana, and cigarettes to be sold in a nation that it takes a lot of people's lives.

But those things are not contagious diseases that spread like the coronavirus, but they make that decision to do those things, but they should still take them off the market if people are being hurt from it if they really care.

But what I do not understand is how they could not have known in advance to prepare for it, for if it started in China then why did not the USA start preparing for it because it might come to them.

And seeing the affects in China and then President Trump saying it is alright just wash your hands, social distancing, and taking such a nonchalant approach to it.

And then wear a mask.

And then shutting down businesses putting people out of work.

Arguing over a stimulus package stalling it when people need money.

Then the people of different facets of society have it, health care providers, the police force, politicians, celebrities, sports players, the military.

Are they trying to immobilize America.

It is on the mountains, down in the valleys, here and there, to and fro, America having the largest number of people affected, the death toll could be great despite people wearing masks more, and practicing social distancing, and staying at home.

And now 2 Walmart employees died so what are they going to do now shut down the Walmarts, and then the grocery stores.

Are they trying cripple us and cause us to collapse on purpose.

Are they following the new age movement and their plan.

Are they are of the inner circle of the occult and they are in control.

And on the back of the dollar bill announcing the conception of a new order of the ages, and out of many, one.

Are Republicans and Democrats working together the Hegel System, and then they will cooperate bringing all the people together.

Are America and Russia working together the Hegel System.

America- religious, spiritual, belief in a higher power at their start.

Russia- atheist at their start.

America takes prayer out of school and teaches evolution.

Russia starts allowing Christianity.

New Age movement- atheist, but spiritual, believe they are still evolving to be greater and spiritual, belief in a higher power the God of forces, or the power of nature the evolutionary process.

Which the new age movement interprets the Bible that way, and all religions, and the man Jesus evolved to be an ascended master and avatar.

Do not believe the New Age Christ will help them to have peace on earth, and to evolve, until the nations come together as one to work for peace on earth, which the first thing he will do is establish a peace treaty in the Middle East between the Jew and Palestinians, and the work as a great man of peace in the world, and push the agenda of the new age movement as religion.

President Trump said America laid a path towards peace in the world in which nations can thrive and flourish next to each other.

Wants the United Nations to take a more active role in the world, and for the nations to step it up and work for peace in the world.

Pushes peace in the Middle East and a peace treaty between the Jews and Palestinians.

Took prayer out of school and taught evolution, a big surge of superhero movies, occult card games, occult video games, occult in the movies.

How can they not know in advance, be so nonchalant about it at first when people study viruses and diseases and know what they can do, and the evidence in China, and Italy.

Are they following the new age movement plan and their interpretation of the Bible has changed to evolution, and the exaltation of people with no higher authority above them.

There could be a coronavirus, but is the 5G technology hurting people but they blame it on the coronavirus, for it has shorter waves lengths so a person gets hit with more waves, and higher frequencies.

4G, 700-2500 MHz, 2.5 GHz, Verizon says it uses 28 GHz for 5G.

But the 5G technololgy waves can only go for about 500 meters so they put up many mini towers, and it does not penetrate buildings and trees that good, so they will use the other wave lengths with it, but if a person is close to a mini tower could it affect them to where they can get sick, and mess with their body functions which we have electricity in our bodies.

Controlled conflict brings about controlled change.

After WW1, set up League of Nations.

After WW2, set up United Nations, New York, United Religions, San Francisco.

Desert Storm, George Bush, the senior, talked of a new world order for peace in the world, and Iraq crisis first test for the new world order.

They might be following the new age movement and their plan on how to establish the New Age Christ kingdom in which there will be peace, and they will evolve to be greater and spiritual.

For that is how the new age movement interpret the Bible.

But they do not believe in a personal God, so there is no God to fear, or offend, or punish them for their wrong doing, and they will not show compassion from God, and they are of the occult and want to exalt themselves through the power of nature, so they are highly selfish, and self exalting, so they probably will not let anybody get in their way of getting what they want.

And many nations with America for her peace agenda in the world including Italy, and Europe, and Russia.

China wants to help America, America wants to help North Korea, Russia wants to help Italy, and the world working together to try to beat the coronavirus which they are working for peace on earth.

See how that works.

Controlled conflict brings about controlled change.

Is this what is going on, and now it is time to produce the New Age Christ.

The children are the future so eventually the world will embrace the new age movement, and evolution, and that interpretation of the Bible, for children are influenced differently today, and they will be more influenced in the future.

And we know more people do not believe in the Bible, and do not believe in a God, and many hypocrites that claim the Bible, and people are more selfish, and self exalting than before.

Because technology caused money and material things to flow like a raging river, and caused many fleshy pleasures, and worldliness, and entertainment, and many people seek those things and it elevated the selfishness, and arrogance of people to a level never before seen in the history of mankind.

So is the new age movement making a move now to produce the New Age Christ, and the people are ripe for the picking for the majority of the youth are rebellious type people that do not care about a God, and want to have their own way, being in a society where they feel insecure for all the success around them that they have no part with it, and want to be exalted and be somebody too.

That is why there is internet warriors because no one wants to be left out in exalting themselves and they cannot get that in public so they display that on the internet with their witty sayings, and say listen to my advice, and I am wise, and cutting down other people, and arguing with them, all in an attempt to show they are somebody special, and liking when people give them likes to boost their ego, and they get all giddy and tingly inside and think I am somebody special.

Yep they are ripe for the picking and now the new age movement can proceed with producing the New Age Christ.

And the children and the young people are going to love it for they are already taught evolution, and love superhero movies, and want to be like them, and want to exalt themselves and wanting revenge saying one day I will be somebody too.

For ask a child and the youth whether they want to be a billionaire or be like superman, and they will say be like superman.

Like the occult mystical Phoenix bird that is consumed in fire, and out of it's ashes arises a new Phoenix bird, will the collapse of America give birth to the new world order.
 

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While I'm not completely on board with the whole "deep state" business.....and infowars is a long way from being a reputable source in my eyes....still I'm not completely dismissing the notion that this pandemic could be used to rob individuals of their personal rights and freedoms....most Germans didn't take note of the slow erosion happening right under their noses until it was too late....the price of freedom is constant vigilance....God Bless.
Trump is the first outsider president as far as I know.
This nation was and is one election away from socialism.
They caught chinese smuggling in viruses in vials in 2018 and 2019
 

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Well, here you have it, folks.

Word of Faith preacher Kenneth Copeland claims that he has destroyed Covid19.

This is why I cannot take charismatic/Pentecostal/Word of Faith people seriously.

These groups co-mingle, so please don't take me to task for generalizing.

And, if you do take me to task, do you agree that Kenneth Copeland is a false teacher? Because, from my experience, most from this subculture will not condemn the teachings of people like him.

He was declaring it destroyed.

The difference is 2 fold
1) he hs the guts to do it
2)he believes mat 18:18,19 are not just words or Jesus lost his power.
Try reading that one day.

But maybe you hate the dynamic of prophecy as well?

Jesus left us in charge. Did you not get the memo?

When Jesus said to his soon to be murdered disciples "not one hair of your heads will be harmed"
Was he a false prophet?

Hmmmm,the nerve of that Jesus.
 

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I remember reading that just before the Black Plague struck Europe people reported seeing strangers wearing black and walking down their streets dispersing smoke before them. After that the plague struck.
This picture brought that to mind. I didn't want to start a new thread on Corona.
I wonder why a people would refuse humanitarian aid from any country when it could help their population survive this thing. But, it is Iran.




Iran has 500,000 patients testing positive for coronavirus
Tehran's regime repeatedly refused to accept humanitarian aid from the US government.

By BENJAMIN WEINTHAL
APRIL 7, 2020
 

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He was declaring it destroyed.

The difference is 2 fold
1) he hs the guts to do it
2)he believes mat 18:18,19 are not just words or Jesus lost his power.
Try reading that one day.

But maybe you hate the dynamic of prophecy as well?

Jesus left us in charge. Did you not get the memo?

When Jesus said to his soon to be murdered disciples "not one hair of your heads will be harmed"
Was he a false prophet?

Hmmmm,the nerve of that Jesus.
Wait, you'll soon be chastised for paying that loon attention. OR maybe I am just special. :ROFL:
Is it just me or do his eyes look like a serpents in that video?:eek:
 

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He was declaring it destroyed.

The difference is 2 fold
1) he hs the guts to do it
2)he believes mat 18:18,19 are not just words or Jesus lost his power.
Try reading that one day.

But maybe you hate the dynamic of prophecy as well?

Jesus left us in charge. Did you not get the memo?

When Jesus said to his soon to be murdered disciples "not one hair of your heads will be harmed"
Was he a false prophet?

Hmmmm,the nerve of that Jesus.
As I understand it all but John were martyred. And we don't know how they died but we just hear they were killed.
Lastly, Copeland is Satanic. And employs witchcraft in his sermonizing. You need to get a memo if you think we're in charge and God left all to us.
As to your question about Jesus, are you a false Christian?
 

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Here's a few more videos demonstrating some of the problems with the charismatic movement.

First one is Kenneth Copeland's alleged destruction of the Corona virus. Second one is a great show by John Sampson and Steven Bancarz concerning the many problems with the charismatic movement. John used to work for Copeland, and Steven was brought up as a Pentecostal. He got involved in New Age teaching as a young adult, but was then converted by God to Christianity. He has visited charismatic churches since becoming a believer, and recognizes some of the same evil spirits that are involved in charismatic teachings.

Particularly, he plays a few clips by Bob Jones, who is the father of the charismatic movement. Bob Jones was a major figure in the life of Kenneth Copeland, as well as other charismatics. Listen to his words yourself and determine if he is a sound believer. I think not.

With regards to charismatics, they have repeatedly shown bad judgement in terms of doctrine. Besides their own doctrinal issues, charismatics have called men like William Branham "God's general". William Branham was a oneness Pentecostal who claimed to be a prophet. Well, he missed the boat with that claim, because he was one of the endorsers of Jim Jones' ministry.

The fact that significant charismatics laud William Branham is telling, because, in essence, they are approving the teachings of a heretic who denies the Trinity, and who claimed all kinds of weird experiences.

Jim Jones is the cult leader who lead about 900 people to their deaths.

You guys might as well forget about convincing me that charismatics are worthy of serious consideration. I have seen way too much to fall for that. And, the video with John Sampson and Steven Bancarz will give you some of the reasons why the movement is discredited by all sound Christians.

Like Steven says, 50 percent of the church thinks that recent charismatic teaches are Satanic, 25 percent think it's of the flesh, and the other 25 percent believes it.

By the way, Steven believes that the miraculous sign gifts are still in existence today, but he does not support the charismatic movement as a whole.

One notable remark was that this skyscraper of charismatic teaching is built on a dime-size piece of real estate.

Notice that Bob Jones claims that unbelievers have the Kingdom of God within them at birth, and they just need to access it. He doesn't seem to realize that man is fallen, and needs to be born again. Such basic facts about Christianity are being denied by charismatics like him, and he is one of the main teachers of charismatics.

 

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As I understand it all but John were martyred. And we don't know how they died but we just hear they were killed.
Lastly, Copeland is Satanic. And employs witchcraft in his sermonizing. You need to get a memo if you think we're in charge and God left all to us.
As to your question about Jesus, are you a false Christian?
A fools paradise is thinking you are 100% right and all the while being on the wrong side.

Jesus definitely left us in charge.
He said "it is expedient for your sakes I leave,but I leave the Holy Spirit...."
In acts "...and many miracles were done at the hands of the apostles..."
Mat 18:18,19 declares he left us in charge without a doubt.

You mean to tell me you have no knowledge of the authority of the believer?
Forget copeland.
You are taking a stand against principles in the bible.

...then thinking you are attacking me and the "demon copeland" as an "instrument of God"

A fools paradise
 

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Here's a few more videos demonstrating some of the problems with the charismatic movement.

First one is Kenneth Copeland's alleged destruction of the Corona virus. Second one is a great show by John Sampson and Steven Bancarz concerning the many problems with the charismatic movement. John used to work for Copeland, and Steven was brought up as a Pentecostal. He got involved in New Age teaching as a young adult, but was then converted by God to Christianity. He has visited charismatic churches since becoming a believer, and recognizes some of the same evil spirits that are involved in charismatic teachings.

Particularly, he plays a few clips by Bob Jones, who is the father of the charismatic movement. Bob Jones was a major figure in the life of Kenneth Copeland, as well as other charismatics. Listen to his words yourself and determine if he is a sound believer. I think not.

With regards to charismatics, they have repeatedly shown bad judgement in terms of doctrine. Besides their own doctrinal issues, charismatics have called men like William Branham "God's general". William Branham was a oneness Pentecostal who claimed to be a prophet. Well, he missed the boat with that claim, because he was one of the endorsers of Jim Jones' ministry.

The fact that significant charismatics laud William Branham is telling, because, in essence, they are approving the teachings of a heretic who denies the Trinity, and who claimed all kinds of weird experiences.

Jim Jones is the cult leader who lead about 900 people to their deaths.

You guys might as well forget about convincing me that charismatics are worthy of serious consideration. I have seen way too much to fall for that. And, the video with John Sampson and Steven Bancarz will give you some of the reasons why the movement is discredited by all sound Christians.

Like Steven says, 50 percent of the church thinks that recent charismatic teaches are Satanic, 25 percent think it's of the flesh, and the other 25 percent believes it.

By the way, Steven believes that the miraculous sign gifts are still in existence today, but he does not support the charismatic movement as a whole.

One notable remark was that this skyscraper of charismatic teaching is built on a dime-size piece of real estate.

Notice that Bob Jones claims that unbelievers have the Kingdom of God within them at birth, and they just need to access it. He doesn't seem to realize that man is fallen, and needs to be born again. Such basic facts about Christianity are being denied by charismatics like him, and he is one of the main teachers of charismatics.



I bet you really hate king david.
None of your smears against Gods people compare to what David did.
That's like saying "I know all baptists are of the devil...I know of one that defected into new age"

Then make it my "ministry" to attack baptists.

I would HAVE TO line up with satan. I would find myself arm and arm with satan to appear before the throne and ACCUSE THE BRETHREN.

YOU ACCUSERERS are arm and arm with a demonic force.

Actually accusing the body of Christ.

It would be one thing to swear copeland. Actually devoting hours to it.
But you smear me and the entire charismatic segment of believers.
You are DEFINATELY lined up with satan.
Satan is the accuser of the brethren.
 

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As I understand it all but John were martyred. And we don't know how they died but we just hear they were killed.
Lastly, Copeland is Satanic. And employs witchcraft in his sermonizing. You need to get a memo if you think we're in charge and God left all to us.
As to your question about Jesus, are you a false Christian?
Foxes book of martyrs tells how some of them were martyred.
 

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Here's a few more videos demonstrating some of the problems with the charismatic movement.

First one is Kenneth Copeland's alleged destruction of the Corona virus. Second one is a great show by John Sampson and Steven Bancarz concerning the many problems with the charismatic movement. John used to work for Copeland, and Steven was brought up as a Pentecostal. He got involved in New Age teaching as a young adult, but was then converted by God to Christianity. He has visited charismatic churches since becoming a believer, and recognizes some of the same evil spirits that are involved in charismatic teachings.

Particularly, he plays a few clips by Bob Jones, who is the father of the charismatic movement. Bob Jones was a major figure in the life of Kenneth Copeland, as well as other charismatics. Listen to his words yourself and determine if he is a sound believer. I think not.

With regards to charismatics, they have repeatedly shown bad judgement in terms of doctrine. Besides their own doctrinal issues, charismatics have called men like William Branham "God's general". William Branham was a oneness Pentecostal who claimed to be a prophet. Well, he missed the boat with that claim, because he was one of the endorsers of Jim Jones' ministry.

The fact that significant charismatics laud William Branham is telling, because, in essence, they are approving the teachings of a heretic who denies the Trinity, and who claimed all kinds of weird experiences.

Jim Jones is the cult leader who lead about 900 people to their deaths.

You guys might as well forget about convincing me that charismatics are worthy of serious consideration. I have seen way too much to fall for that. And, the video with John Sampson and Steven Bancarz will give you some of the reasons why the movement is discredited by all sound Christians.

Like Steven says, 50 percent of the church thinks that recent charismatic teaches are Satanic, 25 percent think it's of the flesh, and the other 25 percent believes it.

By the way, Steven believes that the miraculous sign gifts are still in existence today, but he does not support the charismatic movement as a whole.

One notable remark was that this skyscraper of charismatic teaching is built on a dime-size piece of real estate.

Notice that Bob Jones claims that unbelievers have the Kingdom of God within them at birth, and they just need to access it. He doesn't seem to realize that man is fallen, and needs to be born again. Such basic facts about Christianity are being denied by charismatics like him, and he is one of the main teachers of charismatics.

Uh,the word "christian" means ..."christlike"...."follower of christ" ..."little christ"...."little god".

We are made in the image of God. We are like "little gods"
We have no divinity and no charismatic believers that.

But in your zeal mischaracterization is manifest to you as a friend. It has become your main weapon.
Imagine that.
Your hatred robbing you of any knowledge of the authority of the believer.
You took yourself out.
 

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Well, here you have it, folks.

Word of Faith preacher Kenneth Copeland claims that he has destroyed Covid19.

This is why I cannot take charismatic/Pentecostal/Word of Faith people seriously.

These groups co-mingle, so please don't take me to task for generalizing.

And, if you do take me to task, do you agree that Kenneth Copeland is a false teacher? Because, from my experience, most from this subculture will not condemn the teachings of people like him.

Yeah, it is wrong of you to lump all of these groups together like that. I am Pentecostal, and after watching that video, I have no problem saying that Kenneth Copeland is a deceived deceiver or in other words a false prophet. I have been to many Pentecostal churches and none of them would be happy to be associated with people like Kenneth Copeland. And if asked everyone, that I know would say that he is a false prophet.

So I don't know how you are making generalizations like this and saying that all Pentecostal should be lumped in with the likes of these mega church fakes.

Real Pentecostalism is not popular because it doesn't teach living your best life here. It doesn't teach living in pleasure, and wealth, and prosperity on this earth. No, real Pentecostalism teaches people to live a good and holy life. Just like Moses choosing to suffer affliction instead of enjoying the pleasures of sin for a season.

So in my opinion when you see one big leader (preacher) get up and everyone in the crowd worshiping him like he is some kind of God even though he is spewing out fake prophesies then you know it isn't real and to stay away from it. In every Pentecostal church that I have been in people like Kenneth Copeland would be called out and exposed. He would not be allowed to continue deceiving others...just saying.
 

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Yeah, it is wrong of you to lump all of these groups together like that. I am Pentecostal, and after watching that video, I have no problem saying that Kenneth Copeland is a deceived deceiver or in other words a false prophet. I have been to many Pentecostal churches and none of them would be happy to be associated with people like Kenneth Copeland. And if asked everyone, that I know would say that he is a false prophet.

So I don't know how you are making generalizations like this and saying that all Pentecostal should be lumped in with the likes of these mega church fakes.

Real Pentecostalism is not popular because it doesn't teach living your best life here. It doesn't teach living in pleasure, and wealth, and prosperity on this earth. No, real Pentecostalism teaches people to live a good and holy life. Just like Moses choosing to suffer affliction instead of enjoying the pleasures of sin for a season.

So in my opinion when you see one big leader (preacher) get up and everyone in the crowd worshiping him like he is some kind of God even though he is spewing out fake prophesies then you know it isn't real and to stay away from it. In every Pentecostal church that I have been in people like Kenneth Copeland would be called out and exposed. He would not be allowed to continue deceiving others...just saying.
I have a hard time not lumping them together because, ultimately, I think they share a lot of common beliefs.

Their desire for spiritual manifestations is one of the common beliefs.

Apparently you are saying that the churches you attend don't claim that believers are entitled to healing, though. I wonder how common that is.
 

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Yeah, it is wrong of you to lump all of these groups together like that. I am Pentecostal, and after watching that video, I have no problem saying that Kenneth Copeland is a deceived deceiver or in other words a false prophet. I have been to many Pentecostal churches and none of them would be happy to be associated with people like Kenneth Copeland. And if asked everyone, that I know would say that he is a false prophet.

So I don't know how you are making generalizations like this and saying that all Pentecostal should be lumped in with the likes of these mega church fakes.

Real Pentecostalism is not popular because it doesn't teach living your best life here. It doesn't teach living in pleasure, and wealth, and prosperity on this earth. No, real Pentecostalism teaches people to live a good and holy life. Just like Moses choosing to suffer affliction instead of enjoying the pleasures of sin for a season.

So in my opinion when you see one big leader (preacher) get up and everyone in the crowd worshiping him like he is some kind of God even though he is spewing out fake prophesies then you know it isn't real and to stay away from it. In every Pentecostal church that I have been in people like Kenneth Copeland would be called out and exposed. He would not be allowed to continue deceiving others...just saying.
I could simply use the phrase "certain ignorant persons" believe this or that..and let you guys sort them out into different camps between Pentecostals, charismatics and Word of Faith people...

A great theologian used that wording in some of his diatribes toward Anabaptists. I suppose that would work..
 

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I could simply use the phrase "certain ignorant persons" believe this or that..and let you guys sort them out into different camps between Pentecostals, charismatics and Word of Faith people...

A great theologian used that wording in some of his diatribes toward Anabaptists. I suppose that would work..
Or you could just read the Bible and apply it to yourself and your life...Well that's what I try to do, anyhow.

I grew up in Baptist churches as well. Half of my family are Baptist. I don't lump all the Baptist in a group together, either. Some are doing what they know to do and following the Bible as best they can, some are not....Can you see where I'm going with this? Just asking...
 

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I have a hard time not lumping them together because, ultimately, I think they share a lot of common beliefs.

Their desire for spiritual manifestations is one of the common beliefs.

Apparently you are saying that the churches you attend don't claim that believers are entitled to healing, though. I wonder how common that is.
And that is why you should stop the prejudice and lumping everyone in the same group. Apparently you have seen the mega church fakers and want to lump everyone else in with them. How would you like it if I start posting all the crazy things the Westboro Baptist church teaches and does and say all Baptist believe and do as they do?
 

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Or you could just read the Bible and apply it to yourself and your life...Well that's what I try to do, anyhow.

I grew up in Baptist churches as well. Half of my family are Baptist. I don't lump all the Baptist in a group together, either. Some are doing what they know to do and following the Bible as best they can, some are not....Can you see where I'm going with this? Just asking...
It sounds like you don't think others in the Christian church should be faced with their error. The problem is that this sort of error causes shame to be brought to Christianity as a whole.

And, I personally don't want to be associated with other Christians who teach error. Additionally, the seekers are not presented with the fact that most of evangelical Christianity disagrees strongly with certain practices.

By the way, I left my last church, in part, because the pastor was hesitant to confront doctrinal error. It wasn't the biggest factor (distance was), but his ecumenism didn't help. For instance, he considered Mark Driscoll, James MacDonald and Rick Warren to be good teachers.
 

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And that is why you should stop the prejudice and lumping everyone in the same group. Apparently you have seen the mega church fakers and want to lump everyone else in with them. How would you like it if I start posting all the crazy things the Westboro Baptist church teaches and does and say all Baptist believe and do as they do?
Go ahead. I don't attend a Baptist church, although I am like a Reformed Baptist in my theology.

Westboro Baptist Church was formerly a Southern Baptist Convention church. They pretty much allow about anything. And Westboro is basically a rogue family outfit. Everyone knows that.
 

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I have a hard time not lumping them together because, ultimately, I think they share a lot of common beliefs.

Their desire for spiritual manifestations is one of the common beliefs.

Apparently you are saying that the churches you attend don't claim that believers are entitled to healing, though. I wonder how common that is.
I say we take less time talking about the they and the them, pointing at one another, that comes across self righteous, and start just talking about Him.

Is it KC that sells the healing water on tv adverts. Ok call Him out, lol. Ugh ugh [email protected] exploiting our Saviors healing mercy and taking money from desperate peeps.

Please, don't put him in the category of all Pentecost believers. You do not appreciate when peeps do that with Calvinist, right? I am a believer and follower of Christ, non denominational but I do not agree with denominational bashing, as long as they are believing and exalting Him.