New York Preacher Pregnant Out of Wedlock Says She Won’t Step Down From Pulpit

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Tintin

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None the less... you can use it to find the meaning of words which enables us to understand in this case that women are not authorized by the Lord to be pastors.
And I repeat, Strong's is a concordance, not a lexicon. So it isn't designed to show you the meaning of words, but instead to show you where that word is repeated throughout the Scriptures.
 
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None the less, scripture specifically states that men are the one authorized to be in leadership, not women.

This is God's order according to qualifications for ministry as posted in the New Testament..
 
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And I repeat, Strong's is a concordance, not a lexicon. So it isn't designed to show you the meaning of words, but instead to show you where that word is repeated throughout the Scriptures.
Mine is a greek / hebrew dictionary... it contains the meanings of every word in the Bible.

Nice try... divert attention from the content of 1 Timothy 3:1-13, and Titus 1:6-9
 

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Mine is a greek / hebrew dictionary... it contains the meanings of every word in the Bible.

Nice try... divert attention from the content of 1 Timothy 3:1-13, and Titus 1:6-9
In 1 Timothy 3:11, Paul declares that “women must likewise be dignified, not malicious gossips, but temperate, faithful in all things.” Some argue that he is referring to wives of deacons, rather than to an office of women deacons. But it makes no sense that high standards would be specified for the wives of deacons but not for wives of overseers (or bishops, who are also called elders, see Titus 1:5), whose qualifications he has just given in verses 1–7. In this context (3:1–10, 12–13), the office of deaconess is clearly implied. The “likewise” in verse 11 ties the qualifications of these women to those already given for the offices of overseer and deacon. In verse 11, Paul did not refer to those women as deaconesses because diakonos has no feminine form. From same source as previous post :)
 
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Was Phoebe a deaconess? Paul commends her as such :)
There's no evidence from scripture that she was in a position of authority and it does not make 1 Timothy 3:1-13, and Titus 1:6-9 to be not true.

It says she was a helper and there's nothing wrong with that. Women can work in ministry, but they cannot be in positions of authority as that is not authorized by God's Word.

There has been a feminization of the Body of Christ by this jezabel spirit over the past few decades
 
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it does not make 1 Timothy 3:1-13, and Titus 1:6-9 to be not true.
True, it just makes those verses be what they are: addressing men in leadership roles.

It says she was a helper and there's nothing wrong with that. Women can work in ministry, but they cannot be in positions of authority as that is not authorized by God's Word.
Paul called her a SERVANT (KJV). NIV specifies DEACON. (Romans 16:1)

Servant translates diakonos, the term from which we get deacon. The Greek word here is neuter and was used in the church as a general term for servant before the offices of deacon and deaconess were developed. It is used of the household servants who drew the water that Jesus turned into wine (John 2:5, 9), and Paul has used the term earlier in this letter (Rom. 13:4, twice) to refer to secular government as “a minister of God to you for good” and even of Christ as “a servant to the circumcision,” that is, to Jews (15:8). When diakonos obviously refers to a church office, it is usually transliterated as “deacon” (see, e.g., Phil.1:1; 1 Tim. 3:10, 13). Same source :)
 
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There has been a feminization of the Body of Christ by this jezabel spirit over the past few decades
There it is. Why don't you just call me a whore and be done with it?
 
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The church has become more feminized in many ways, yes. But part of that is likely because far fewer men attend church than do women. Finally, I think the Jezebel spirit thing is a load of bollocks and not at all biblical.
 
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The church has become more feminized in many ways, yes. But part of that is likely because far fewer men attend church than do women. Finally, I think the Jezebel spirit thing is a load of bollocks and not at all biblical.
I can agree with this. I do believe in demonic oppression and possession but every time I watch a video or read something on an exorcism the person performing it always says the person has the spirit of jezebel.

I even spoke to one over the phone once and he said I had that spirit as well.
 
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There's no evidence from scripture that she was in a position of authority and it does not make 1 Timothy 3:1-13, and Titus 1:6-9 to be not true.

It says she was a helper and there's nothing wrong with that. Women can work in ministry, but they cannot be in positions of authority as that is not authorized by God's Word.

There has been a feminization of the Body of Christ by this jezabel spirit over the past few decades
You do not know what kind of spirit you are of. (luke 9:55)
 
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You do not know what kind of spirit you are of. (luke 9:55)
Accepting God's written Word... is yielding to the Holy Spirit, Who ALWAYS leads to Truth and Jesus says God's Word IS Truth

Contradicting God's Word is the spirit of anti-christ.


NIV specifies DEACON
There's a reason the NIV is known as the "Nearly Inspired Version".... cause it contains errors!
 
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Jesus did not say this to tell others to turn a blind eye to sin. That's a total misuse of our Lords words

Most misused verse in the Bible next to "judge not,lest you be judged".
 

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Most misused verse in the Bible next to "judge not,lest you be judged".
My son is out of wedlock. Most here know that. I repented publicly years ago for committing fornication. I certainly didn't celebrate it.
 
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And when we acknowledge our sin and go to God so that He can cleanse us... He will do His part to make a bad situation into a good situation where people end up doing very well because they turned from darkness and continued walking with the Lord.

People get in to trouble when they hide their sin and hang on to it so they can keep doing it to satisfy the flesh which is hard labor sine the flesh is never satisfied.
 
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My son is out of wedlock. Most here know that. I repented publicly years ago for committing fornication. I certainly didn't celebrate it.
There
is forgiveness,we all fail,just some are easier to hide. But for her to be a pastor and flought God and His mercy? No,not acceptable. She'd be out if she were my pastor.
 

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Wow. Would you just look at the name of that church in relation to OnceFallen's comments (below)? Yikes.

That's easy. 1st Corinthians 5.

That's specifically addressing a church with a member who was living in unrepentant sexual sin...

At least I wasn't the only one to notice the irony.

The church has become more feminized in many ways, yes. But part of that is likely because far fewer men attend church than do women. Finally, I think the Jezebel spirit thing is a load of bollocks and not at all biblical.

I had hoped that this thread wouldn't run down the route that it has, but since it has ended up there; there are those who would debate that the reason that there has been an exodus of men from the church is because of the feminization of Christianity. Many churches focus so much on the touchy feely parts of Christ (feminine qualities) that they completely miss (or ignore) the masculine traits.
 
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At least I wasn't the only one to notice the irony.



I had hoped that this thread wouldn't run down the route that it has, but since it has ended up there; there are those who would debate that the reason that there has been an exodus of men from the church is because of the feminization of Christianity. Many churches focus so much on the touchy feely parts of Christ (feminine qualities) that they completely miss (or ignore) the masculine traits.
I agree with your conclusions, brother. Sorry for taking the thread in another direction. That wasn't my intention.