New York Preacher Pregnant Out of Wedlock Says She Won’t Step Down From Pulpit
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I'm not really sure how to respond to your post. Really blows my mind that you feel she is a good Pastor? Being a good Pastor is much more than standing in front of a congregation and selling a good sermon. It doesn't bother you that a Pastor is preaching one thing and doing something else on the side?
Well, I think i was shooting from the hip without knowing the whole story. Do you know the whole story? What are her qualifications? Where is her church? Inner city? What is her culture? What denomination? There is a huge shortage of pastors, especially lady pastors. What I meant by "good pastor," can mean a lot of things. I've seen all types of pastors in person and in the media. By "good pastor," I think i meant, would Jesus consider her a good pastor? Does she have a good heart for ministry? Not just good sermons. Is she in the ministry for the money? to build her own kingdom? She's way ahead of a lot of people there...
I don't know the "rest of the story."
But,
If God fires you...
you're really fired.
I mean, in some churches today, they are endorsing pastors who are actively and openly living alternate lifestyles.
I don't know the "rest of the story."
But,
If God fires you...
you're really fired.
I mean, in some churches today, they are endorsing pastors who are actively and openly living alternate lifestyles.
Well, the swans were married for one... and the lakes frozen right now, so, i can't consult them about what they feel about this particular situation until spring. I do know that they opposed Hillary for president. 
I think the swans might be better theologians than some churches...
but, I don't think that being pregnant would disqualify her acccording to the New Testament--
I think the swans might be better theologians than some churches...
but, I don't think that being pregnant would disqualify her acccording to the New Testament--
P
Well, the swans were married for one... and the lakes frozen right now, so, i can't consult them about what they feel about this particular situation until spring. I do know that they opposed Hillary for president.
I think the swans might be better theologians than some churches...
but, I don't think that being pregnant would disqualify her acccording to the New Testament--
I think the swans might be better theologians than some churches...
but, I don't think that being pregnant would disqualify her acccording to the New Testament--
R
Think of it this way....the bible needs to be read and taken from its entirety. Yes, this woman became pregnant out of wedlock which is a sin and because of the new testament she is given Grace and forgiveness, but in order for this to be done she needs to repent. You are saying because she is a pastor and having a baby she should not be fired, but we don't get into heaven based on doing good works, right? We get into heaven because of God's unfailing love for us and our willingness to repent of sin and professing with our mouth that he is Lord. Now, this woman should not be removed from the position of being pastor, instead be put on sabbatical for a time, but the problem really isn't her being pregnant and not being married, the huge problem lies in her head knowing it's wrong, twisting scripture to validate her sins and that is scary for a person from her position as many young people are looking up to her as an example. Now because of this she needs to be forced to step down
L
You know I read the article again and it is actually pretty alarming. She says the word Abomination should be replaced with Antiquated. Antiquated means old fashion or out of date. Right there should be a major red flag. If she thinks her situation is outdated then what else in Scripture does she feel is outdated?
Wow. Did she really think that would fly? I'm pretty sure God does not call anything an abomination because it's antiquated or old-fashioned. He pre-dates everything...
I can't even say "nice try" on that one. Given her choice of unrepentant sin as a pastor, I'd expect her Scripture-twisting to be a little more sophisticated.
I can't even say "nice try" on that one. Given her choice of unrepentant sin as a pastor, I'd expect her Scripture-twisting to be a little more sophisticated.
This is all a mute point because it's not scriptural... for women cannot be in a position of church leadership such as pastor:
Qualifications for Ministry
1 Timothy 3:1-13
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Bishop - Strongs G1985
a superintendent, i.e. Christian officer in genitive case charge of a (or the) church (literally or figuratively): KJV -- bishop, overseer.
Deacons - Strongs G1249
probably from an obsolete diako (to run on errands; compare 1377); an attendant, i.e. (genitive case) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties); specially, a Christian teacher and pastor (technically, a deacon or deaconess): KJV -- deacon, minister, servant.
Titus 1:6-9
If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not self willed, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
Qualifications for Ministry
1 Timothy 3:1-13
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Bishop - Strongs G1985
a superintendent, i.e. Christian officer in genitive case charge of a (or the) church (literally or figuratively): KJV -- bishop, overseer.
Deacons - Strongs G1249
probably from an obsolete diako (to run on errands; compare 1377); an attendant, i.e. (genitive case) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties); specially, a Christian teacher and pastor (technically, a deacon or deaconess): KJV -- deacon, minister, servant.
Titus 1:6-9
If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not self willed, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
