NICE! Sanders thread

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TheAristocat

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The bible calls that 18%..."sin in the flesh"
Lol Good one. I guess I'm only 82% perfect. ;)

Seriously though, not all politics directly relate to the Bible. I'm guessing it was on one of the issues like: immigration, national security, social security, education, energy, the environment, or etc.
 
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I don't think Bernie will be taken seriously by foreign leaders. I realize this is a pro Bernie thread but for me....Trump won't get bullied. We have this mistaken notion that other world leaders want to be reasoned with in kind and gentle way. No matter if strongman A agrees with you or not if he sees weakness he will exploit it. I don't think Trump is a man that allows himself to be pushed around and exploited. I think Bernie would try to appeal to a side of foreign leaders that doesn't exist and no one would take him seriously behind the scenes. It's a mans world like it or not and we need a man with some courage to lead us.
 

JosephsDreams

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I urge you to listen to a couple of Bernie Sanders' speeches-interviews. I think you may agree with at least Most of what he says :)
I like him for his character. He is head and shoulders above most of them. And I agree with some of his economic policies. He just loses me with some of his social stuff. It is so anti Christian view.
 

JosephsDreams

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I don't think Bernie will be taken seriously by foreign leaders. I realize this is a pro Bernie thread but for me....Trump won't get bullied. We have this mistaken notion that other world leaders want to be reasoned with in kind and gentle way. No matter if strongman A agrees with you or not if he sees weakness he will exploit it. I don't think Trump is a man that allows himself to be pushed around and exploited. I think Bernie would try to appeal to a side of foreign leaders that doesn't exist and no one would take him seriously behind the scenes. It's a mans world like it or not and we need a man with some courage to lead us.
He is from Brooklyn. I don't doubt he can and will be tough when needed. Conversely Obama should be tried for sabotage.
 
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Honestly, I'm not actually against the wall! At least not completely. From what I understand, the two things you are most afraid of coming through the Mexican border are terrorists and drug lords. Right? Unfortunately, both are rich and smart enough to find Leagal ways of coming in. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of them are already American citizens or at least legal permanent residents. Ever heard of sleeper cells? That's not just propaganda. I know this isn't a popular message, but the wall may help a little, but not much. We have too many miles of border east, west, and north also.
I've heard you speak about your son another posts. I can tell you're a wonderful father.
Legalize drugs, making people just as adult enough to choose whether or not to ingest drugs as they are to choose whether or not to own a gun that they could take countless lives with.

There goes your drug lords. More money in American hands as well.
 

posthuman

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I don't think Bernie will be taken seriously by foreign leaders. I realize this is a pro Bernie thread but for me....Trump won't get bullied. We have this mistaken notion that other world leaders want to be reasoned with in kind and gentle way. No matter if strongman A agrees with you or not if he sees weakness he will exploit it. I don't think Trump is a man that allows himself to be pushed around and exploited. I think Bernie would try to appeal to a side of foreign leaders that doesn't exist and no one would take him seriously behind the scenes. It's a mans world like it or not and we need a man with some courage to lead us.

i think exactly the opposite -- Sanders respects other people and treats them with respect, so i think other foreign leaders will recognize that and treat him with respect as well. and he is firm in his convictions, and doesn't back down at all about them - he has a long political history to look at that demonstrates that.
Trump on the other hand, does not treat people with respect at all, and has already lost respect in the eyes of many foreign leaders, before even becoming president - he's not welcome in much of Europe, especially not in Belgium after the way he responded to the tragedy there, and England - maybe our closest ally in the world - has voted to ban him from setting foot on their soil. the way he openly insults China and Mexico and many other countries, i doubt very much that they have respect for him, and maybe more damning than any of that, no Arab nation will have anything to do with him whatsoever. the only way he will commandeer respect is by bullying - it is what he promises to do, after all: intimidate China into dropping our debt, or swindle them, and intimidate Mexico into building a wall for us.

Sander actually reasons with people, and presents strong coherent arguments without compromising on his principles - he's shown that he is willing & able to negotiate to get things done, without compromising his principles.
Trump insults, threatens and promises to swindle people. he's boastful and arrogant, and has shown that he's willing to compromise his principles and change his positions if doing so helps him achieve more power.

i see Sanders earning us respect around the world, and Trump earning us a lot of disrespect. in fact, Trump has already done that, and the country itself has lost international respect over the fact that he's doing so well in the nominations. if he, as a president, were to make foreign leaders listen more and pay closer attention to us, it's only because they expect us to do something stupid, bigoted and prematurely violent.
 

posthuman

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Legalize drugs, making people just as adult enough to choose whether or not to ingest drugs as they are to choose whether or not to own a gun that they could take countless lives with.

There goes your drug lords. More money in American hands as well.

this is how the Mafia lost so much of its power after prohibition ended, and they were forced into legitimate businesses. and truth be told, i believe that if it had the same effect on the cartels in Central America, conditions would improve in those countries, and immigration would slow down.
not to mention the potential tax revenue and the savings on the endless, fruitless war on drugs and our enormous prison economy.
 
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KimPetras

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I don't think Bernie will be taken seriously by foreign leaders. I realize this is a pro Bernie thread but for me....Trump won't get bullied. We have this mistaken notion that other world leaders want to be reasoned with in kind and gentle way. No matter if strongman A agrees with you or not if he sees weakness he will exploit it. I don't think Trump is a man that allows himself to be pushed around and exploited. I think Bernie would try to appeal to a side of foreign leaders that doesn't exist and no one would take him seriously behind the scenes. It's a mans world like it or not and we need a man with some courage to lead us.
Courage isn't only shown by who shouts the loudest or who has the funniest one-liners. In fact, I'd argue that isn't courage at all... but insecurity.

Courage is standing up for what you believe is right, even when Democrats and Republicans (in majority) disagree with you. Here's a short list of where he displayed courage when he was a tiny minority:

1.) against NAFTA
2.) against the Patriot Act
3.) against the bail out (Republicans and Democrats said the US would fall off a cliff if they didn't do it)
4.) against wall street (before it became the popular thing)
5.) against the Iraq war (Democrats claim they were always against it, that isn't true... ask Hillary Clinton)

Did Bernie stop any of those things? Unfortunately... no, he couldn't. He filabustered, and spoke out logically and passionately for decades, standing up to the people that thought they had it right (Republicans and Democrats). It isn't until now that people actually see how much insight he has had.

But no, Bernie would get pushed around because he doesn't act like a 5th grader on national television defending the size of his manhood.
 
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KimPetras

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i think exactly the opposite -- Sanders respects other people and treats them with respect, so i think other foreign leaders will recognize that and treat him with respect as well. and he is firm in his convictions, and doesn't back down at all about them - he has a long political history to look at that demonstrates that.
Trump on the other hand, does not treat people with respect at all, and has already lost respect in the eyes of many foreign leaders, before even becoming president - he's not welcome in much of Europe, especially not in Belgium after the way he responded to the tragedy there, and England - maybe our closest ally in the world - has voted to ban him from setting foot on their soil. the way he openly insults China and Mexico and many other countries, i doubt very much that they have respect for him, and maybe more damning than any of that, no Arab nation will have anything to do with him whatsoever. the only way he will commandeer respect is by bullying - it is what he promises to do, after all: intimidate China into dropping our debt, or swindle them, and intimidate Mexico into building a wall for us.

Sander actually reasons with people, and presents strong coherent arguments without compromising on his principles - he's shown that he is willing & able to negotiate to get things done, without compromising his principles.
Trump insults, threatens and promises to swindle people. he's boastful and arrogant, and has shown that he's willing to compromise his principles and change his positions if doing so helps him achieve more power.

i see Sanders earning us respect around the world, and Trump earning us a lot of disrespect. in fact, Trump has already done that, and the country itself has lost international respect over the fact that he's doing so well in the nominations. if he, as a president, were to make foreign leaders listen more and pay closer attention to us, it's only because they expect us to do something stupid, bigoted and prematurely violent.
You and I think very similarly! :)
 
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Courage isn't only shown by who shouts the loudest or who has the funniest one-liners. In fact, I'd argue that isn't courage at all... but insecurity.

Courage is standing up for what you believe is right, even when Democrats and Republicans (in majority) disagree with you. Here's a short list of where he displayed courage when he was a tiny minority:

1.) against NAFTA
2.) against the Patriot Act
3.) against the bail out (Republicans and Democrats said the US would fall off a cliff if they didn't do it)
4.) against wall street (before it became the popular thing)
5.) against the Iraq war (Democrats claim they were always against it, that isn't true... ask Hillary Clinton)

Did Bernie stop any of those things? Unfortunately... no, he couldn't. He filabustered, and spoke out logically and passionately for decades, standing up to the people that thought they had it right (Republicans and Democrats). It isn't until now that people actually see how much insight he has had.

But no, Bernie would get pushed around because he doesn't act like a 5th grader on national television defending the size of his manhood.
I'm not gonna be lectured by you on what courage means.
 
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jennymae

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Problem is, with both Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump, is that their papacy (yes, my choice of words is deliberate) might will endanger our strategic relationship to our allies.
 
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Problem is, with both Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump, is that their papacy (yes, my choice of words is deliberate) might will endanger our strategic relationship to our allies.
And what would that be....one where our allies don't trust us to do what we say we are going to do.....like now?
 
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jennymae

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And what would that be....one where our allies don't trust us to do what we say we are going to do.....like now?
Where did I say things were all good now?
 
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Where did I say things were all good now?
You said that our relations with allies would be damaged so I inferred that you didn't think they were already.
 
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jennymae

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You said that our relations with allies would be damaged so I inferred that you didn't think they were already.
Twisting words is your business? :p
 

JosephsDreams

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this is how the Mafia lost so much of its power after prohibition ended, and they were forced into legitimate businesses. and truth be told, i believe that if it had the same effect on the cartels in Central America, conditions would improve in those countries, and immigration would slow down.
not to mention the potential tax revenue and the savings on the endless, fruitless war on drugs and our enormous prison economy.
Actually, they were at the height of their power after prohibition. They were very powerful from the 1940's into the 1980's. It was the RICO laws and the newer technology that did them in. Not to mention the younger generation of them could not keep their mouths shut.
 
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Sanders has won 2 of three states so far today. Alaska & Washington.

Interestingly, there is little election coverage on any network, with the exception of the results bar on the bottom of the screen.

Not sure why the Democrats chose to have a primary on Resurrection Sunday eve.
 
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KimPetras

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I'm not gonna be lectured by you on what courage means.
If you wanted to have a fruitful discussion I'd be open to your counter argument to the points I've made about courage. But, if you're incapable of doing so fruitfully, I'll respect your decision to not engage in discussions of what courage is/isn't.