Pastor tells kids waiting in Santa Clause like that Santa isn't real

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Wellnow that I think about it.. when ''santa'' came in and asked me if I was good.. the first thing I said was '' I was, my brother wasnt'' So I guess it kinda taught me to lie too.. lol
Sometimes small things make the biggest mess and I just wonder why not just avoid the avoidable and give your kids the presents yourself

Hahahaha sounds like you Demi xD
You would've learned lied one way or another, heck, we live in this messed up world
 
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There is only one Truth; on that we agree. And yet our brave little pastor targets children regarding Santa Clause rather than targeting Muslims about their demonic encyclopedia of lies and hate. Yeah, he's a real brave soul.
No kidding....real warrior for God he is....real Knight of the Roundtable of God going after kids and their parents lies about Santa.
 
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And how are any of these the same as telling young ones the true story of Christmas? :confused:

I learned about Jesus' birth young. Actually, I don't even remember not knowing about it.

I'm kinda baffled at the opposition. It's not like it's a story that's hard for kids to handle, and I don't see how it would take away their innocence...?? Help me out here.
It doesn't have to be either/or; it can be and/both. I was taught both but was also told very distinctly that Jesus is God. No discrepancies there.
 

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I'm just gonna spell it out straight for you but I doubt you'll get it. I was in the situation the other day where my son asked me a question. Now I'm not going to go into details about what that question was or why he asked it but the fact was that if I just told him the truth of the matter it would not have benefited him....in fact it would have put him in a bad situation....one that he would have felt in the middle of...one that he might have felt he should be able to fix. Probably even left a scar on him...hurt his little baby soul etc.

In that instance telling him the truth would have been harmful to him. So with that said....your black and white truth should always be told to a child is ignorant at best and abusive at worst. You really should just shut up now and go back to arguing about something else.
I mean this with all due respect... but unless that something (the question) was "Is Santa real?" then your scenario has nothing to do with the discussion of lying to your children that Santa is real (I don't mean pretending, I mean lying). Unless you think children can't handle the truth that a big fat man doesn't really come down the chimney to deliver him presents.

Let's say a couple has a child. The mother cheats on her husband with her husband's best friend. They file a divorce. The child asks the father why they are divorcing... I STILL advocate not LYING to the child, but I also advocate not bringing children into adult issues. You can simply tell him/her, "Perhaps when you're older we can talk about this, but just know we both love you very much. Nothing will ever change that." This scenario is not even in the same universe as telling a child the truth about Santa. I'm fully capable of understanding that some truths should not be revealed to children (adult issues), but Santa being real is NOT one.
 

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Odd, much of what God shows us in His word is indeed black and white. If we believe as God shows us, are many Christians following the path that will lead us to be common criminals, wife beaters, and child abusers? I would think it would lead us to follow the opposite path.
Amen brother. Very well said.
 
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It doesn't have to be either/or; it can be and/both. I was taught both but was also told very distinctly that Jesus is God. No discrepancies there.
Me too!...and if Christmas happened to be on sunday we got up and opened presents from santa and then went to sunday school learned about the diety of Christ! Lol
 

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Protecting innocence is a God-given responsible it's that I don't take lightly. Too bad you don't understand. At 34 you should already, but all is not lost.
And the only way for you to "protect innocence" is to beat up a guy who says Santa isn't real and that Christmas is about Jesus? As a Christian veteran, I would think one is a little more capable of showing more self-control, no? The "protecting" you're talking about is what Satan wants us to think... "Hey, that guy is saying something you disagree with, go punch him in the face!"
 
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Odd, much of what God shows us in His word is indeed black and white. If we believe as God shows us, are many Christians following the path that will lead us to be common criminals, wife beaters, and child abusers? I would think it would lead us to follow the opposite path.
Black and white thinking is criminal thinking. God has the authority to make rules for people but you don't.
 

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Where is it written not to indulge children in innocent, light hearted stories? Rudolph never caused anyone to go on a shooting spree.
I've already said telling children that Santa isn't real but that it's fun to pretend is innocent to me. I agree, some people think it takes away from Christ, and I can understand their reasoning and logic, I just simply disagree with them.

Here is the issue: Deliberately lying to a child that Santa is real. That isn't "pretending"... You seem like an intelligent person capable of distinguishing "pretend" from "lying".
 
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Black and white thinking is criminal thinking. God has the authority to make rules for people but you don't.
Black and white truth is what God has given us. Once again, the application of this black and white truth may vary, but it doesn't change the binary nature of the truth God has given us. So as Christians, the word of God as our 100% absolute truth is the guideline by which we live and lead our lives and by the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

How again does this make our thinking the way of criminals if we seek to conform our ways to God's ways?

It seems that you are taking two different situations of black and white understanding and are trying to link them. It doesn't work that way.
 
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I've already said telling children that Santa isn't real but that it's fun to pretend is innocent to me. I agree, some people think it takes away from Christ, and I can understand their reasoning and logic, I just simply disagree with them.

Here is the issue: Deliberately lying to a child that Santa is real. That isn't "pretending"... You seem like an intelligent person capable of distinguishing "pretend" from "lying".
you seem like a reasonably intelligent person.....so therefore you must know there are two types of lies......right?
 
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I think the main point is being missed here.

Parents have a RIGHT to raise THEIR children the way THEY see fit! That's the HUGE problem I have with this guy. What if a muslim started shouting to your children "Jesus is not God and you must renounce Him!" while they were in line? If those parents want to tell their kids that santa will come and bring them toys that is THEIR business.

Years ago my sons were friends with an Indian boy who was Hindu. As much as I wanted to tell him that his religion was wrong, and he must have Jesus, I knew that a person's child was off limits. After he grew up that was a different story.

That's what the issue is here. A trampling of parental rights.
That was my original point. The guy was out of line.
 

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Maybe we have 3500+ denominatons just BECAUSE its black and white and ppl dont like that..
Bingo! I'll be completely honestly and admit that I've rationalized sin before I fully gave my heart over to Christ... I tried to make God's word gray. I noticed that when I did that, I was incredibly defensive and hypersensitive to anyone correcting me. Once I recognized what I was doing and fully converted, I've made a conscience effort to stop and to accept the bible as the complete word of God. I always thought that was the goal...
 
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Black and white truth is what God has given us. Once again, the application of this black and white truth may vary, but it doesn't change the binary nature of the truth God has given us. So as Christians, the word of God as our 100% absolute truth is the guideline by which we live and lead our lives and by the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

How again does this make our thinking the way of criminals if we seek to conform our ways to God's ways?
You said that the bible is mostly black and white truth.....you still have not backed up that statement. I don't fault you for it because there is no way you can. Sure......there are some things in scripture that are black and white truth that must be adhered to for salvation....but they are an infinitesimally small percentage of scripture. I reject your notion of God.
 
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And the only way for you to "protect innocence" is to beat up a guy who says Santa isn't real and that Christmas is about Jesus? As a Christian veteran, I would think one is a little more capable of showing more self-control, no? The "protecting" you're talking about is what Satan wants us to think... "Hey, that guy is saying something you disagree with, go punch him in the face!"
No. I don't have self control. And there are countless ways I protect innocence, contrary to your saying I only know one way.
 
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No. I don't have self control. And there are countless ways I protect innocence, contrary to your saying I only know one way.
He just wants to make demons out of people who disagree with him.