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Porthos

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If someone comes to me and says 'Should I have sex', I'm going to explain things to them either way and gently give my input. And I'd err on 'perhaps you should wait because ...'

BUt if someone comes to me and says 'I'm having sex whether anyone likes it or not. How do I go about it?' It's good to be able to show someone how to be safe, and that society allows them to be safe. They've made their decision anyway. WHO AM I TO FORCE THEIR HAND??

It's better I can show them to condoms and information than say 'na, hope it goes to pot for you and you get AIDS'.

The same with a girl who's already made the uneducated, silly mistake.

Plan B - that way.
 
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Kisses1990

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this is pretty straight-forward.

make abortion - illegal.

period.

abortion involves more than one person = conspiracy.

anyone conspiring (without success) to seek, and or provide abortions goes to prison for conspiracy to commit murder.

anyone successfully providing them does life for murder - including the abortionist; nurses; janitors; security guards....anyone knowing and not speaking - as well as - the women who sought out the hired killer, and the man who drove her there....and every other conspirator.



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one generation will have people considering life in prison before sex with no intention of taking responsibility for the consequences.

SCOTUS - 55 million + consecutive life terms for each and every "Judge" who approved this satanic perversion.

rinse and repeat for abortive - murder - contraceptives - prison for providers etc...eventually the whole thing becomes another sordid underground demonic crime to be stopped at every turn.
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Well....this is insane extremist fanaticism. I suppose you are one of those people that also want to imprison gays for....being gay. This is not far from suicide bombers and the tragedies that happened at 9/11. Religious fanaticism MUST GO. Very dangerous and intolerant. I wish the same imprisonment for those people, not as a punishment, but as protection for the rest of us. You never know when some of these psychotic individuals will want to murder because of something they believe God told them to do. This is very sick...
 
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MissCris

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...it's sick to punish people who kill babies?

Really?
 
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Kisses1990

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I don't see this being a far leap from terrorism. Forcing one's beliefs is fascism.

Do you punish someone for stepping on an ant? I don't see a difference when talking about an egg that has just been fertilized yesterday. Plan B is just preventing that life, not ending it.
 
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"preventing that life"
So this is an acknowledgement that it IS a life?
 
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Kisses1990

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^^ uh, no. It's not a life/would be life....hence you are PREVENTING it.

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But certainly to some degree it IS a life. I don't think anyone is arguing that. Amebas are alive, right? Single celled organisms are alive. Bacteria is a live. Same dif.
 
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MissCris

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Humans are the same to you as bacteria? Huh.
 
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Kisses1990

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Absolutely. At least in a relative way. I don't seem much difference between a fertilized egg and an ameba. Both have extremely little functions. We are all animals. Just a matter of species. And I love animals and would never intentionally hurt one. I would however kill a bug that is inconvenient to me and my health.
 
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Kisses1990

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Lol! I imagined that smiley face you put...the " :/ " being the same as your photo on here and I chuckled! :)
 
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Kisses1990 said:
^^ uh, no. It's not a life/would be life....hence you are PREVENTING it.

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But certainly to some degree it IS a life. I don't think anyone is arguing that. Amebas are alive, right? Single celled organisms are alive. Bacteria is a live. Same dif.
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In one sentence you say it isn't life and in the very next sentence you say there is life.

Either something has life or it doesn't. You can't have both.
FYI, humans aren't bacteria comparing human life to bacteria is the same as comparing and orange to a football. It makes no sense.
 
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Porthos

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Elizabeth619 said:
In one sentence you say it isn't life and in the very next sentence you say there is life.

Either something has life or it doesn't. You can't have both.
FYI, humans aren't bacteria comparing human life to bacteria is the same as comparing and orange to a football. It makes no sense.
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Actually, she's talking about Plan-B. 'it's not a life(meaning human life)/would be life (meaning embryotic human life)'. Plan B PREVENTS conception, not 'terminates conception'.

Then in the second sentence she's saying that the egg is alive, the sperm is alive. So to some degree, it does have a form of life (though it isn't AN ACTUAL HUMAN YET).

It's stopping one sperm cell and one egg from living. But they (in their disconnectedness), are not actually a 'human life'. They are cells from two humans that never get a chance to meet.

So, they are life in one respect, but not in another.
 
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Porthos

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So one of the questions for this thread is; is it a sin to kill a sperm cell and an unfertilized egg?

I don't think it is.
 
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Kisses1990

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I'm starting to realize that the major confusion in this thread is that some people are talking without actually knowing anything about how Plan B works.... They are forming opinions based on assumptions, not fact.
 
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Porthos said:
Actually, she's talking about Plan-B. 'it's not a life(meaning human life)/would be life (meaning embryotic human life)'. Plan B PREVENTS conception, not 'terminates conception'.

Then in the second sentence she's saying that the egg is alive, the sperm is alive. So to some degree, it does have a form of life (though it isn't AN ACTUAL HUMAN YET).

It's stopping one sperm cell and one egg from living. But they (in their disconnectedness), are not actually a 'human life'. They are cells from two humans that never get a chance to meet.

So, they are life in one respect, but not in another.
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I'm well aware how Plan B works. I just wanted her to be more clear on how she stated things.
You did a good job explaining it though.



I will say that plan B had the same synthetic hormone that's in birth control pills just a stronger dose. It also will not terminate an actual
Pregnancy.
 
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jimmydiggs

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Vestarena said:
No, actually I'm not a 7th day Adventist or a Jehovah's witness. I've come to believe these things of my own accord after studying and praying for many years. But again, you show your colors loud as usual. Logical error! Logical error! You immediately judge me according to what you've heard on the internet. I must belong to some this or that group because I believe something different than you're parroted orthodox view! Therefore nothing I say should be listened to no matter how Biblically sound it is! (As if you've absorbed a single thing I've said so far?) lol. Yeah I know. You think it's unBiblical. But I think you're preaching lies. I'll say it straight out. You make God look like a monster with your lies. Whose side does that put you on? The enemy, that's who. So that's who you are to me. Your kind is an enemy of truth.

I've said this every which way I can and you just come back with the same parroted views as if you comprehend nothing beyond your blindness. I'm officially dusting my shoes off and walking away. I'll just pray the damage you do in this world will be limited.
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To you, I am an enemy. This is because you are an enemy to the Gospel.


Oh my goodness. I just noticed you're 20 years old. You know what they say about "it's only what you learn after you think you know everything that really counts.'' So try to learn something more than that.
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I stand with Timothy.
 
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jimmydiggs

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Porthos said:
So one of the questions for this thread is; is it a sin to kill a sperm cell and an unfertilized egg?

I don't think it is.
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It isn't fertilized. It's not aan embryo.
 
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I wonder what God is saying about this! You know I have known many friends who want babies but they cannot have them, and I have also have seen parents who do not care about their children because they care more about their drugs and their life style. I have also seen people who have had abortions and fear that God will not forgive them for what they have done. I have also seen people who love their children with all their hearts and give everything for them.
We can also see people who are against and for abortion but the truth shall be found in the word of God. Yes, the word of God.
In Jeremiah 1:5 says,

"Before I formed you in the belly I knew you; and before you came forth out of the womb I sanctified you, and I ordained you a prophet to the nations."

"Before I formed you in the belly I knew you" This is telling me NO ABORTION ALLOWED, God has a purpose for all of us and when an abortion is done the person aborting THE BABY is taking that big privilege away from him or her. I do not say attack people who do it but teach them that if it was them, would they want to be aborted and not know this world?

God has a purpose and people in this world is allowing the enemy do what ever he wants with their minds and the sad thing is that the ones paying the price are the babies.
 
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MidniteWelder

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Kisses1990 said:
I'm starting to realize that the major confusion in this thread is that some people are talking without actually knowing anything about how Plan B works.... They are forming opinions based on assumptions, not fact.
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Well in all fairness, are you not forming conclusions based upon worldly opinion, not Godly truth?

Jesusprincess as well as others have shown you truth.
Isn't that what we all search for is truth, as opposed to trading it for a lie.
It is now up to you what you do with that responsibility
 
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