When law enforcement drops the ball, it has to be up to the school staff to take up the slack. FBI muffed it to start with, City police school resource officer, armed and uniformed, didn't go it when shots were heard and other police officers have been suspended pending investigation. Do we really want to depend only on law enforcement?
Should teachers in the US be armed?
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Do you know about the Dickey Amendment? This is NRA supported legislation to prevent
CDC from carrying out research on guns related violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickey_Amendment_(1996)
Also, can you tell me one example of legislation by this administration that was enacted
following a scientific study? Just one example?
CDC from carrying out research on guns related violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickey_Amendment_(1996)
Also, can you tell me one example of legislation by this administration that was enacted
following a scientific study? Just one example?
K
Ummm not without researching the subject. No. But Clinton did a ban on these weapons and a study was done that said it made no difference in mass killings. And didn't he sign this bill into law?
I thought this was an interesting article.It poses some interesting questions. From the article...
Would all of these be good or useful projects for the CDC to fund? Are they qualitatively any different than the CDC funding anti-gun ideologues to research origins and public policy options related to violence?
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/12/johannes-paulsen/if-cdc-funding-of-gun-research-is-a-good-idea-lets-not-stop-there/
I thought this was an interesting article.It poses some interesting questions. From the article...
- Would it be appropriate for the federal government to have the CDC fund a research project headed by an anti-religion activist to determine whether or not religion is a sort of mental “virus”, and effectively a mental illness of some kind? (Does it make the proposed research better or worse if the study examines certain religions which have had a propensity to encourage its adherents to violence in the more recent past?
- Would it be appropriate for the CDC to conduct research into the origins of homosexuality — i.e., is it purely genetic, as many have claimed, or are there environmental causes, too? I’ve heard it proffered that childhood sexual abuse may have a correlation — I personally don’t think that has much to do with it, but why would a scientific inquiry into the subject be inappropriate?
- Why don’t we have the CDC give money to a researcher hand-picked by the Koch brothers take a look at the long-term public health effects of fifty years of left-wing social and economic policies on residents of major cities? The libertarian Kochs are very interested in these types of policy questions, and I’m sure they could recommend some good grantees. Again, this is intended to be a rigorous scientific study, so personal biases shouldn’t matter as long as scientific protocols are followed, any more than it matters when anti-gun researchers like David Hemenway conduct research that leads to the shocking conclusion that firearms confiscation and repealing the Second Amendment is the most effective public health solution to violence in society. Right?
- What about a research project funded by the CDC conducted under the auspices of an anti-abortion group to examine the correlation (if any) that abortions at a young age have on the mental health of women in later life? Anyone who’s followed what I’ve written in the past knows that I’m supportive of the legal right to an abortion, but surely this would be an interesting question to examine purely from a scientific perspective, right?
Would all of these be good or useful projects for the CDC to fund? Are they qualitatively any different than the CDC funding anti-gun ideologues to research origins and public policy options related to violence?
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/12/johannes-paulsen/if-cdc-funding-of-gun-research-is-a-good-idea-lets-not-stop-there/
K
You are asking the question with the assumption that your opinion is right. I'm looking online and all I see so far is opinion.I have not yet seen any kind of study on the matter,so we don't know either way. We do know that Israel has armed guards in their schools and I don't think they see the type of school shootings the US does.
S
I never said it would work better. That was in answer of facing an active shooter is not like shooting birds.
There is no statistics because to my knowledge there has been only one school in Texas where this has happened.
But it is very evident that the present security system is not working. Arming teachers would probably be a bad idea in most city schools.
As I said before , the system has failed many times and must be changed. Just stopping the sale of so called assault rifles is not the solution. Those bent on such violence will find a way to attack a soft target. And today, most schools are very soft targets. They are an open invitation to violence. THAT MUST CHANGE TODAY.
There is no statistics because to my knowledge there has been only one school in Texas where this has happened.
But it is very evident that the present security system is not working. Arming teachers would probably be a bad idea in most city schools.
As I said before , the system has failed many times and must be changed. Just stopping the sale of so called assault rifles is not the solution. Those bent on such violence will find a way to attack a soft target. And today, most schools are very soft targets. They are an open invitation to violence. THAT MUST CHANGE TODAY.
If we do comparison with other countries, then the evidence is quite overwhelming that
less guns around is strongly correlated with less guns-related deaths
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
less guns around is strongly correlated with less guns-related deaths
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
K
Right,I'm from Canada and gun laws are different there too. The thing is the US has the right to bear arms which is different than other countries. And there is a reason citizens have a right to guns here. So you can't take away the rights of law abiding citizens,which is all that would be happening. Criminals are not going to abide by laws.
Dear Kayagirl,
I would really encourage you to try to get information from better sources than a pro-guns
website. That is really easy, and of course will confirm your point of view.
Notice for instance that there exists federally-funded research on all sorts of policies (liberal or not),
there is federally funded research on all sort of effects of abortion. There is
federally funded research on religion.
Now, we all agree that it would be useful to have federally funded research on gun violence policies.
No we don't all agree. Some people think that no data is better...
K
It doesn't matter if the site is pro-gun or not,and I didn't actually know that it was. The questions still stand irregardless. You are coming from a biased opinion also. And Wikipedia is hardly an authoritative site to use either if we're going to nit pick.Not trying to be nasty,this is a hot debate. We all agree something needs to be done,instead of talking circles.Which is the best move is the question.
I don't know why you keep arguing this.... how in the world could there be evidence that it works, when nobody has been doing it, up until very recently?
The ONLY evidence available is that the schools that are currently allowing armed teachers have NOT had any shootings.
There are quite a few schools that do NOT have armed teachers, that have had school shootings.
What kind of evidence do you see there? If you want "evidence" that it will or will not work, that is all the evidence there is.
The ONLY evidence available is that the schools that are currently allowing armed teachers have NOT had any shootings.
There are quite a few schools that do NOT have armed teachers, that have had school shootings.
What kind of evidence do you see there? If you want "evidence" that it will or will not work, that is all the evidence there is.
[SUB]You want data: Here is my two-cents worth. I am a trained gunsmith (retired because of carpel tunnel) and a life member of NRA. No new legislation is going to rid the U.S.A. of guns. We have a gun culture. People like to shoot targets, silhouettes, skeet, trap and a myriad of competitive shooting: long range, 3 gun, cowboy, etc. I don't even know of them all. Some are public and some are police or military.
Back to the gun culture: Besides shooting many people are collectors. Some are just amateur collectors that keep guns with only a sentimental value. Most collections have some sentimental pieces, but have value pieces also. The criminals could care less about gun control laws as they don't obey laws anyway. No law will deal with the entrenched guns in our society, short of a police state. Some of the schools here in Oklahoma are allowing the staff the carry concealed guns; and they have posted at the schools signs warning that a shooter will be met with lethal force, if necessary.
The 42 states, that allow and respect the Right to Carry, represent 74 percent of the U.S. population. There are 16.5 million people registered to carry arms. The violent crime rate is down 51 percent. From 2007 to 2015 concealed carry permits increased by 215 percent. During that same time frame, the murder rate dropped 14 percent. In Florida and Texas only one in about 42,000 permit holders are convicted of firearm violations. It seems the wild-west scenario the liberals projected didn't happen. Two-thirds of published, peer reviewed studies have found that Right to Carry laws reduce U.S. violent crime rates. [/SUB]
Back to the gun culture: Besides shooting many people are collectors. Some are just amateur collectors that keep guns with only a sentimental value. Most collections have some sentimental pieces, but have value pieces also. The criminals could care less about gun control laws as they don't obey laws anyway. No law will deal with the entrenched guns in our society, short of a police state. Some of the schools here in Oklahoma are allowing the staff the carry concealed guns; and they have posted at the schools signs warning that a shooter will be met with lethal force, if necessary.
The 42 states, that allow and respect the Right to Carry, represent 74 percent of the U.S. population. There are 16.5 million people registered to carry arms. The violent crime rate is down 51 percent. From 2007 to 2015 concealed carry permits increased by 215 percent. During that same time frame, the murder rate dropped 14 percent. In Florida and Texas only one in about 42,000 permit holders are convicted of firearm violations. It seems the wild-west scenario the liberals projected didn't happen. Two-thirds of published, peer reviewed studies have found that Right to Carry laws reduce U.S. violent crime rates. [/SUB]
I tried to post this last night, from my phone, it somehow ended up on a zombie thread in the Singles Forum. So, one more try and speaking as a teacher, and a Canadian.
So, add to a fantasy that more guns on the street make a country more secure, the resulting siege mentality, and you have the STUPID idea that arming teachers is the answer.
First, not sure how that will stop massacres in nightclubs, or at street festivals, which just happened recently.
Second, as a teacher, who knows hundreds of teachers, teachers do NOT sign up to be armed police.
Third, I read a letter by a US military man who had been shot in Afghanistan, 25% of his unit died and many more shot. He said it is hard enough knowing how to react, as a trained military man under fire, let alone poorly trained teachers with students!
Further, there was a pointed meme saying, “If you were police called to a school with a shooting, and saw a black teacher with a gun in his hand, what would you do?”
Fourth, American society needs to get its head screwed on straight! This is not just about schools, important as they are, this is about the denial that GUNS are causing the problem, not solving them.
Every other country in the civilized world has strict gun laws, including gun safety courses that take weeks, real background checks, and restrictions on certain classes of weapons. We also have mentally ill people, bullies, people wanting revenge, no God or prayers in schools, and a snowflake curriculum in schools and universities, transgendered garbage and the medical system paying for these surgeries.
BUT, we do not have mass shootings with weapons that are not be allowed in any other country in the western world.
Gun control works everywhere! But you have to have it! Americans need to stop believing all the propaganda and lies, that guns don’t kill people, only the bad guys will have the guns, if you have gun control; or your own government is coming to get you.
I can’t bear to watch the news, because of a real fear that tomorrow or maybe the next day, more guns will be used to kill students, party goers, night clubbers, or maybe people in hospitals, people in a book store, or in a park, Walmart or MacDonald’s somewhere in America!
The only answer is the plain truth that works for Canada, Australia, Japan and Europe. Gun restrictions!
So, add to a fantasy that more guns on the street make a country more secure, the resulting siege mentality, and you have the STUPID idea that arming teachers is the answer.
First, not sure how that will stop massacres in nightclubs, or at street festivals, which just happened recently.
Second, as a teacher, who knows hundreds of teachers, teachers do NOT sign up to be armed police.
Third, I read a letter by a US military man who had been shot in Afghanistan, 25% of his unit died and many more shot. He said it is hard enough knowing how to react, as a trained military man under fire, let alone poorly trained teachers with students!
Further, there was a pointed meme saying, “If you were police called to a school with a shooting, and saw a black teacher with a gun in his hand, what would you do?”
Fourth, American society needs to get its head screwed on straight! This is not just about schools, important as they are, this is about the denial that GUNS are causing the problem, not solving them.
Every other country in the civilized world has strict gun laws, including gun safety courses that take weeks, real background checks, and restrictions on certain classes of weapons. We also have mentally ill people, bullies, people wanting revenge, no God or prayers in schools, and a snowflake curriculum in schools and universities, transgendered garbage and the medical system paying for these surgeries.
BUT, we do not have mass shootings with weapons that are not be allowed in any other country in the western world.
Gun control works everywhere! But you have to have it! Americans need to stop believing all the propaganda and lies, that guns don’t kill people, only the bad guys will have the guns, if you have gun control; or your own government is coming to get you.
I can’t bear to watch the news, because of a real fear that tomorrow or maybe the next day, more guns will be used to kill students, party goers, night clubbers, or maybe people in hospitals, people in a book store, or in a park, Walmart or MacDonald’s somewhere in America!
The only answer is the plain truth that works for Canada, Australia, Japan and Europe. Gun restrictions!
Anne,
You should know by now that statistics and studies and polls can be (and have been) seriously manipulated and skewed, so let's set that aside. Let's say that criminal A lives in a wealthy neighborhood and knows that wealthy citizen B is well armed and ready to defend himself and his family, whereas wealthy citizen C has no protection whatsoever. Which one will be his prime target? This is just plain common sense. Now apply that to gun free schools vs armed teachers ready to defend themselves and their students.
You should know by now that statistics and studies and polls can be (and have been) seriously manipulated and skewed, so let's set that aside. Let's say that criminal A lives in a wealthy neighborhood and knows that wealthy citizen B is well armed and ready to defend himself and his family, whereas wealthy citizen C has no protection whatsoever. Which one will be his prime target? This is just plain common sense. Now apply that to gun free schools vs armed teachers ready to defend themselves and their students.