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Tommy379

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kaylagrl said:
Well Im not sure I want to disagree with you,are you armed right now :p I do believe there is an age of understanding. A child cannot possibly be held accountable for sin because they cannot understand the complexity of their situation and their need of a Savior. And we know that sins of the parents are not passed to the children. So from what I see in the Word children are not held accountable until a certain age of understanding.
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I wouldn't want to think babies are eternally separated from God, but I can't find this age of accountability in the bible. What age of is it? I even just tried google for perspective on it. None of the articles could pin down anything.
We are sinners at conception, so there is a bit of inherent sin.
 
PennEd

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I'm not convinced there is any biblical evidence to support the theory that there is an age of accountability.
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Yeah there is Tommy. King David tells us he is going to see his dead child again in 2 Samuel 12.

Also Paul talks about being alive BEFORE. He knew the law. A clear indication of his ignorance in childhood.
 
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I wouldn't want to think babies are eternally separated from God, but I can't find this age of accountability in the bible. What age of is it? I even just tried google for perspective on it. None of the articles could pin down anything.
We are sinners at conception, so there is a bit of inherent sin.
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I tend to think it is tied up with Bar and Bat mitzvahs, being 12 or 13. But that is speculative.
 
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I tend to think it is tied up with Bar and Bat mitzvahs, being 12 or 13. But that is speculative.
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It's all speculative.
Like in your last post, King David, a descendent of Abraham, is one of God's by his heredity.
 
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Yes, Billy Graham was wrong concerning that issue.
 
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Tommy379

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What's complicated?
 
PennEd

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It's all speculative.
Like in your last post, King David, a descendent of Abraham, is one of God's by his heredity.
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Not sure what that has to do with him going to his son when he died.

Paul said in Romans 7 that he was ALIVE once BEFORE he knew the Law.

I also think we can absolutely take Jesus literally when He said the Kingdom of Heaven is such as these, meaning children.
 
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The Gospel isn't nearly as simplistic as unbelievers and professing believers attempt to make it out to be. This is why few plunge its depths and have a cursory and faulty understanding concerning its truths. For instance, it isn't "Vote for God then you get to go to heaven when you die!"
 
Tommy379

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PennEd said:
Not sure what that has to do with him going to his son when he died.

Paul said in Romans 7 that he was ALIVE once BEFORE he knew the Law.

I also think we can absolutely take Jesus literally when He said the Kingdom of Heaven is such as these, meaning children.
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I don't see how that supports an age of accountability. Wouldn't God just state an age? Everything else seems simple in the bible. I'm not stating babies die, eternally separated from God, but I just don't find an age anywhere.
 
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LaurieB said:
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You realize that Scripture says those that deny Jesus is Lord, and that there is another way, is an antichrist?
 
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Tommy379 said:
I don't see how that supports an age of accountability. Wouldn't God just state an age? Everything else seems simple in the bible. I'm not stating babies die, eternally separated from God, but I just don't find an age anywhere.
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C'mon Tommy, you know that game is wrong. For example, the word trinity isn't in Scripture, yet we know it exists.

And again. I think if you dig far enough into the Law surrounding circumcision you can have your question answered.
 
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preacher4truth said:
The Gospel isn't nearly as simplistic as unbelievers and professing believers attempt to make it out to be. This is why few plunge its depths and have a cursory and faulty understanding concerning its truths. For instance, it isn't "Vote for God then you get to go to heaven when you die!"
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It isn't as complicated as you would have us to believe. You come to God with the simplicity of a young child. Believing and trusting the word of God led by His Holy Spirit. You do not need a PhD in theology to receive Christ and be saved. Just simple childlike belief.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
Tommy379

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PennEd said:
C'mon Tommy, you know that game is wrong. For example, the word trinity isn't in Scripture, yet we know it exists.

And again. I think if you dig far enough into the Law surrounding circumcision you can have your question answered.
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What game is that? I'm a literal person. If it says it, I believe it. If it doesn't, I'm a sceptic.
 
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I don't see how that supports an age of accountability. Wouldn't God just state an age? Everything else seems simple in the bible. I'm not stating babies die, eternally separated from God, but I just don't find an age anywhere.
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Is.7- 15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

Deut.1-'Moreover, your little ones who you said would become a prey, and your sons, who this day have no knowledge of good or evil, shall enter there, and I will give it to them and they shall possess it.

Num,14-your corpses will fall in this wilderness, even all your numbered men, according to your complete number from twenty years old and upward, who have grumbled against Me.


Just a few verses to think on. Not trying to derail things,just answer the posters question.
 
PennEd

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What game is that? I'm a literal person. If it says it, I believe it. If it doesn't, I'm a sceptic.
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Am I to understand you don't believe in the Trinity?
 
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