U.S. Supreme Court declines stay 4 clerk refusing to issue gay marriage certificates

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BarlyGurl said:
Fine... I seem to recal having a running dialogue going with you until it was clear you and I were not going to agree. I also recall you saying ENOUGH! Which I respected aside for asking clarification to your use of a philosophy which I found VAGUE, got and answer I also thought VAGUE and then you interjected and re=engaged me while I was discussing with Mitspa.... so to assert I am somehow a JOKE for participating in your thread is... kinda LOWBROW IMO.... but go ahead and PLEASE yourself.
I am done discussing with you on the matter also.
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Read your 2nd response in blue #259. I was only responding to your "instead of arguing your position with me" response.

I've never cared to argue this with anyone...only to disseminate the information. But certain ones took it upon themselves to attack Davis with silly arguments rather than see that this will be most of us in the near future if the U.S. continues on this course.
 
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Mitspa said:
not sure of your point? I have no obligation because it unlawful under our constitution and under the laws of God...
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How do you intend to enforce that?

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No not if you believe the constitution is the law...which it is... so its a illegal act by the court and should be reproved by the people and rejected and resisted by all the people.
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Except that, in the world, it has been embraced by the people. Let's see, who outnumbers whom right now?

Not saying you're not right according to God's law, but we're not talking God's law here. We're talking about the people with the money and the guns.

I just wonder how strong your - and any of ours - convictions are going to be when we're being hauled away at gunpoint.
 
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Honestly, the only ruling the SCOTUS could have made that would have been right was one that said the government has no business being in the marriage business.
 
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Hilariously the first amendment isn't the star from super mario bros. It doesn't make you invincible and allow you to do whatever the heck you want.
 
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well Crossnote... instead of argueing your position with me... when I have already stated I am not going to BUDGE... How about you go bail her out of jail and act as personal mediator to HELP HER get what you think she ought to have???? That would be FAR MORE PRODUCTIVE than trying to convince me GOD approves of this scenario.... seriously put some real effort into DOING what you think is RIGHT vs just talking about it.
I look forward to hearing your testimony about the matter when you get back:D
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Regardless of where anybody stands on this issue before a couple of days ago, now, BAIL IS NOT AVAILABLE to her. The ONLY way she will be released, is if she agrees to sign marriage licenses for those who commit homosexual acts. I don't even believe she can resign and be released. I'd like to know how the gov. is acting different than the the Spanish Inquisition? They are FORCING her, on threat of continual incarceration, to denounce her Christianity.




Republican presidential candidate former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said on Friday during an appearance on Fox News that serial killers got better treatment by the American justice system than the Kentucky county clerk who was jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
Huckabee has been one of the most vocal presidential candidates to defend Rowan County, Kentucky clerk Kim Davis after she was jailed Thursday on contempt of federal court.
The ex-governor brought up the comparison to serial killers during an interview on Fox's "America's Newsroom."
"Jeffery Dahmer got bail, the Boston Stranger got bail, John Wayne Gacy got bail," Huckabee said. "Kim Davis, because of her convictions, was not given bail."

Huckabee said he will host a rally on Tuesday in Grayson, Kentucky in support of Davis.











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"What she did was follow the Kentucky Constitution," he said. "This is an unbelievable moment in American history."
Because Huckabee's poll numbers have remained low, Fox News anchor Martha MacCallum asked how he feels about the state of his presidential campaign.
 
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She's not in jail for Christianity, she is in jail for refusing to do her job and not upholding the office that she swore to uphold. She is not being offered bail because she is there on contempt and she will be there until she does with the judge has asked her to do.
 
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How do you intend to enforce that?



Except that, in the world, it has been embraced by the people. Let's see, who outnumbers whom right now?

Not saying you're not right according to God's law, but we're not talking God's law here. We're talking about the people with the money and the guns.

I just wonder how strong your - and any of ours - convictions are going to be when we're being hauled away at gunpoint.
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Well I have had my faith tested many times and im sure it will be tested again in these last days. My belief is that Gods grace will always cause me to stand in the truth of Christ. But this lady has stood and as we all should.
 
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She's not in jail for Christianity, she is in jail for refusing to do her job and not upholding the office that she swore to uphold. She is not being offered bail because she is there on contempt and she will be there until she does with the judge has asked her to do.
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She don't work for some judge ...she works for the people that elected her....and of course she is being jailed for her Christian beliefs.
 
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Hilariously the first amendment isn't the star from super mario bros. It doesn't make you invincible and allow you to do whatever the heck you want.
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Of course you can do whatever God tells you to do...
 
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When you are a public servant, you do just that, you serve the public. This means accommodating everyone and not just the people whose lifestyles you agree with. If she cannot do this then she needs to resign
 
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When you are a public servant, you do just that, you serve the public. This means accommodating everyone and not just the people whose lifestyles you agree with. If she cannot do this then she needs to resign
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Its not in the public interest to promote and approve deviant sexual behavior ...its in the public interest to resist that sort wickedness.
 
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" oh my goodness, they're taking away my right to force my beliefs on other people"
 
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Sure, as a Christian under God's law, she's under no moral obligation to like homosexuality, much less to condone it or facilitate it, but as an agent for a legally and politically secular country, she is under an obligation to carry out her duties as and when she's given them.
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Interesting that you mention this, because the laws of Kentucky have not changed. The Supreme Court decision, in fact -- as with all SCOTUS opinions -- does not "change the law," so therefore, until the legislatures of the various states change their laws to align with the decision of the Court, the law has not changed.

Therefore, she is being forced to comply with a legal opinion that does not have the force of law, beyond the reality that the laws of the various states must change. The fact judges around the country are forcing gay marriage on their communities is actually in and of itself unconstitutional. The law hasn't changed, and it can't change until the legislature changes it. Yes, the law has to change -- but as of now, it hasn't.

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Therein lies a conflict of interest that many would consider sufficient grounds for instant dismissal.
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I'm sure you and others would be delighted to see the county fire her. But as they uniformly support her, that ain't happenin'. And in fact, the chief county clerks of Kentucky can't be removed from office other than by impeachment. As the state legislative leadership on both sides of the aisle have expressed support for Davis, that ain't happenin' either.
 
Dude653

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So gay marriage is defiling the sanctity of her 4th marriage. She should have a seat... oh wait, she is having a seat. In jail.
 
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" oh my goodness, they're taking away my right to force my beliefs on other people"
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So wicked people have the right to force their evil on others...but the righteous have no right to shape our society or to reject evil? I don't think you understand the constitution or how our society is supposed to work.
 
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So gay marriage is defiling the sanctity of her 4th marriage. She should have a seat... oh wait, she is having a seat. In jail.
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Yes and she will be honored all the days of her life...and even God Himself could be looking on her with pleasure...whats a few days in jail compared to doing what is right.....haha I don't think some folks really get that doing right comes at a price....blessed are those who suffer for righteousness sake.
 
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Dude653 said:
When you are a public servant, you do just that, you serve the public. This means accommodating everyone and not just the people whose lifestyles you agree with. If she cannot do this then she needs to resign
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What are you talking about? The PUBLIC has rejected homosexual marriage. FIVE UNELECTED judges,at least one of which IS a homosexual, overturned the will of the public.
 
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Interesting that you mention this, because the laws of Kentucky have not changed. The Supreme Court decision, in fact -- as with all SCOTUS opinions -- does not "change the law," so therefore, until the legislatures of the various states change their laws to align with the decision of the Court, the law has not changed.

Therefore, she is being forced to comply with a legal opinion that does not have the force of law, beyond the reality that the laws of the various states must change. The fact judges around the country are forcing gay marriage on their communities is actually in and of itself unconstitutional. The law hasn't changed, and it can't change until the legislature changes it. Yes, the law has to change -- but as of now, it hasn't.

I'm sure you and others would be delighted to see the county fire her. But as they uniformly support her, that ain't happenin'. And in fact, the chief county clerks of Kentucky can't be removed from office other than by impeachment. As the state legislative leadership on both sides of the aisle have expressed support for Davis, that ain't happenin' either.
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haha I hope she rides this thing out...these criminals judges are in for a real fight
 
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