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Some single Christian women can be scary to men. Some single men think they are too demanding and high maintenance? What do you guys out there think?
I worship with one woman in particular who is breathtaking, warm, kind, intelligent, really loves the Lord, etc . . .

I won't pursue her because she's too elegant, and I say that with complete respect for her and toward myself. I'm too rough around the edges, have too much street demeanor, there's still too much boy in me. Sometimes we need to be realistic and use the gift of discernment to know whats best for everyone involved.
 
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agirlandherguitar

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I worship with one woman in particular who is breathtaking, warm, kind, intelligent, really loves the Lord, etc . . .

I won't pursue her because she's too elegant, and I say that with complete respect for her and toward myself. I'm too rough around the edges, have too much street demeanor, there's still too much boy in me. Sometimes we need to be realistic and use the gift of discernment to know whats best for everyone involved.
Is it discernment? Or is it the ol' "I don't deserve her"? Or maybe you're just not interested period? I guess you'll never really know if you do nothing. Wouldn't you like to be with a woman who is breathtaking, warm, kind, intelligent and loves the Lord? So I wonder why is she single?
 
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I worship with one woman in particular who is breathtaking, warm, kind, intelligent, really loves the Lord, etc . . .

I won't pursue her because she's too elegant, and I say that with complete respect for her and toward myself. I'm too rough around the edges, have too much street demeanor, there's still too much boy in me. Sometimes we need to be realistic and use the gift of discernment to know whats best for everyone involved.
Pray into it, mate and then do something. You might be pleasantly surprised. :)
 
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Tintin knows the score.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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...until you find yourself posted up in front of a family court judge with grip of no fault divorce paperwork in hand. :p

Interestingly; however, Australia is one of the very best places to marry in Westernized countries. The divorce rate is only 27.6%. That's very low by Western standards. Another plus in Australia is that most divorces are occurring after the children are raised, which reduces financial liabilities for the primary breadwinner. And, of course, the divorce rate for Australians who adhere to a traditional religion in both belief and consistent practice is markedly lower than that 27.6%.

I'm not kidding when I say a man who marries a Christian Australian woman and faithfully lives out the Christian worldview daily with her has a very low risk of divorce statistically speaking.



Pray into it, mate and then do something. You might be pleasantly surprised. :)
 
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Tintin

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...until you find yourself posted up in front of a family court judge with grip of no fault divorce paperwork in hand. :p

Interestingly; however, Australia is one of the very best places to marry in Westernized countries. The divorce rate is only 27.6%. That's very low by Western standards. Another plus in Australia is that most divorces are occurring after the children are raised, which reduces financial liabilities for the primary breadwinner. And, of course, the divorce rate for Australians who adhere to a traditional religion in both belief and consistent practice is markedly lower than that 27.6%.

I'm not kidding when I say a man who marries a Christian Australian woman and faithfully lives out the Christian worldview daily with her has a very low risk of divorce statistically speaking.

Good stuff! Well, I'll be praying. :)
 

ChandlerFan

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So I decided to step away from CC (mainly chat) for awhile, not because of anyone here, but because I felt like spiritually it was something that I needed to do, but I was lurking around the Singles forum because I miss you guys and got drawn in big time by this thread. I had a lot of thoughts running through my head as I was reading through it, and although there have been many great thoughts shared as usual by people like Tintin and gypsygirl, I thought I would contribute my own as well.

First of all, as a man, I think it's necessary to admit and agree that men do fail in many ways. Without men working and cultivating in the way that God created them to, society struggles and there are major evidences of that in our world. It's difficult to find a man nowadays who does not have one or a combination of characteristics like pornography addiction, passivity, laziness, and immaturity. Guys in their 20's especially seem to be known in our culture for their obsession with sex and video games, and their lack of drive to live like adults, and that's not something that was just made up. Almost all of us can think of multiple examples of guys we have encountered who display these characteristics.

With that said, we single men do need to step up and take responsibility for what God has called us to. A lot of us are disengaged or distracted from a fight we should be full-on participating in. I will freely admit that I have struggled immensely with lust, passivity, and laziness especially in my own life, and what I can say from personal experience and from biblical truth is that there is far more to it than just stepping up and "being a man." These sins don't go away just because we try harder. It's only by and through Jesus Christ that any man can find a greater joy than what lustful pleasure can bring. It's only through Jesus Christ that any man can find the courage and strength to reject passivity, get off the couch, and care more about God's glory than about his reputation or personal comfort. So the conclusion here shouldn't be that we single men need to step up and start asking more women out, but we should be looking to Jesus and pressing into him more--making him the center of everything that we do. I recently discovered that much of the sin in my life is due to me seeking acceptance from other people because I have believed pretty deep-rooted lies about myself since I was a kid. I know that it's only through resting in God's acceptance of me because of Jesus' work on the cross that I am going to be able to throw off that sin and be much healthier and more confident person. So in the end, we men desperately need Jesus, and in our pursuit of him we will be in a much better and more equipped place to pursue and romance a woman.

Another thing I wanted to say, and gypsygirl touched on this already, is that we need to be careful about making assumptions about individuals based on stereotypes. You could be missing out on getting to know a great person because you believe something about them based on stereotypes that are not true. While there are many men out there who are not good men, there are also a lot of men who are faithful to the Lord, faithful to their wives, and who faithfully practice honesty and integrity. There are single men like this too, and it would be a shame to miss out on them because you have already defined them according to a stereotype.

The last thing I will say is ladies, you have a very powerful ability to influence men towards life and godliness. It's not on you to make us do what we're called to, and you are not to blame when we fail, but you can be a powerful influence. Women have a unique ability to either give life to men through their words, or completely cut down and emasculate them. Major in and encourage men in their strengths, and pray for their weaknesses. Few things have caused me to want to really get my act together in different areas of my life more than a godly woman and the desire to be a man worthy of leading a woman like that.
I'm also sorry, ladies, for the way that you have been hurt or otherwise negatively impacted by the sins of the men in your life, and I pray that you would find hope and strength in the Lord to continue giving and showing grace as we men rely upon the Lord and work towards getting our stuff together and putting sin out of our life. Your prayers, patience, and grace make a bigger difference than you know.
 
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If we are to blame then we must blame the sinful world we live in, followed by ourselves for allowing the things of the world infiltrate our lives and the lives of people close to us. The answer is not always black and white, but I do agree strongly with the article I posted and the opinions of some of you who pointed towards the feminist movement. I can't remember who, but an early poster mentioned how women demanded equal rights, so men said, "fine" and stepped down, only to have this action result in emasculating men and maculating women. Talk about imbalance! Thanks, Generation X. Or do we blame the Boomers? Ah, blame for all of us!
Don't... do that.... You'll only encourage "them." The point is valid but not without context. Seriously about half of the guys that believe that point to the 1950's as a great time to be alive. Of course a man could land a woman then - a lot of the men were dead thanks to WWII. My grandfather was a complete jerk but he landed my grandmother. Her fiancee died overseas and never came back.

Don't get me wrong, men are still going to go for primarily looks at first glance, but there are ways to get a guy thinking about you to the point where he'll forget about looks long enough that you can get an audience with him - and no they don't involve acting sleazy, and no they don't involve Jedi mind tricks.

Some of you were confused by my "fight for us" comment. No, I don't believe I am to be placed on a pedestal, worshipped from afar and expecting you to fight some grizzlies with your bare hands in order for me to consider dating you. It's an exaggeration for initiating something. The real fighting comes when you're actually in a relationship and it must be fought on both sides in different ways. Some guys have no idea how much we women admire a man who bothers talking to us at all. Maybe most women are so cold and turned their hearts off that they don't show these men what they mean to them.
Again, no one picked up on this. I'm advising you do let a guy fight a bear with his bare hands. Metaphorically not literally.

Wade in and step over whatever wreckage you might cause. Seriously just find a way to initiate conversation, then immediately hone in on whatever it is that he enjoys. Talk about that for a few minutes. If he wasn't interested before, he will be now. By doing this, you also give him permission to be himself and talk about something he's really passionate about. This can only serve to help you, and if he's passionate about something really dumb, then you've saved yourself the trouble of thinking about him in the future.

That's not asking him out. That's putting yourself on his radar and making yourself compelling enough that he'll probably do all the asking out for you. It works in almost every situation, romantic or otherwise. It's the secret to being a successful salesperson. Get some one talking and they'll give you their life's story before they even realize it. They'll remember you too.

That will be the extent of the leg work you'll do for a good month or so. You'll get asked out (even if that's not normally this guy's style), and then you'll continue to learn more.

Just get people talking, then pump them for information.
 
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Tintin

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Amen, Chandler Fan. Great words of wisdom, brother! We've missed you!

ServantStrike, yes, men often look at the physical appearance before anything else, but not always. I didn't know what Arlene looked like, being online and all. If I went by her avatar picture, I'd have good reason to think she was a cartoon taco. Not that there's anything wrong with tacos. One of the advantages of starting a relationship online, is that you can work on your spiritual and emotional foundations long before you experience the physical. The downside is that the girl/woman you could be talking to, might actually turn out to be a dude.
 
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Pray into it, mate and then do something. You might be pleasantly surprised. :)
Thank you, my Brother. Maybe I will be surprised. I'll let you know. :cool:
 
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Is it discernment? Or is it the ol' "I don't deserve her"? Or maybe you're just not interested period? I guess you'll never really know if you do nothing. Wouldn't you like to be with a woman who is breathtaking, warm, kind, intelligent and loves the Lord? So I wonder why is she single?
I'm too old for that, "I don't deserve anyone nonsense." She's a beautiful flower; I'm a frost; and I don't want to damage her peddles. (Wow! I just made that one up!) :cool:
 
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Amen, Chandler Fan. Great words of wisdom, brother! We've missed you!

ServantStrike, yes, men often look at the physical appearance before anything else, but not always. I didn't know what Arlene looked like, being online and all. If I went by her avatar picture, I'd have good reason to think she was a cartoon taco. Not that there's anything wrong with tacos. One of the advantages of starting a relationship online, is that you can work on your spiritual and emotional foundations long before you experience the physical. The downside is that the girl/woman you could be talking to, might actually turn out to be a dude.
Yeah, you have to meet in a well lit place the first time I'd imagine.


But my point was it's very possible to get all but the most die hard man to look past appearance if you figure out what makes him tick. Simply getting someone talking is a way to get on their radar - and in a social setting it's a sure fire way to success.

Think about a party - the popular people at a party are one of two types. The one type just sits there and tells interesting stories all night, but eventually people tire of that man or woman. The other type spends the entire night talking to other people about themselves. Asking about their kids, their job, their car, their favorite sports team, whatever they're into. And people absolutely love that. It's not flattery, it's refreshing. Most people never really want to hear how someone is doing when they ask the ever popular "how are you doing" question. The one in a hundred people that really does listen is a breath of fresh air.

If a woman does that with a guy she's interested in, you and I both know he's going to be thinking about her for a while. He might not even be able to get her out of his head - he might even be wondering why he's thinking about this woman who would otherwise never even cross his radar. That's the light switch - "holy crap we connected, or I think we did, I'd better investigate this further and see if it might not happen again."

If he's smart, he'll do the same thing, but if not, it will probably still lead to a date.
 

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Just wanted to add this. It's one of my favorite videos. What he's saying applies to us as single men too. Our battle right now might not be to pursue and encourage the hearts of our wife and children, but there are plenty of other battles before us that we are called into.

[video=youtube;ejjweiF0gTk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejjweiF0gTk[/video]
 

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The flip side is, as I'm sure others have mentioned here, the fact that I do feel that in some circles Christian women are afraid of being approached. It's probably not all that different to a lot of social demographics, but I've personally felt like I'm often treading this tightrope between not wanting to be 'pushy', and not being as pushy as women are expecting. I've seen Christian women I know have to push a little hard to 'get their man' for that reason.

The general problem is that all of us, but particularly men ;), are generalists. If you ask one, or two, or three Christian women out, and get knocked back before the first date each time (and this happens A LOT in Christian circles, and is actually more common now than it was forty/fifty years ago, for various reasons), you generalise that to all women, so you stop being direct and active. The problem is when you meet a girl who is actually attracted to you or finds you interesting, or who just doesn't mind being asked out on a date by decent guys, your generalisation works against you.

There's not really an easy solution, but the most pragmatic approach I see is - if you would like to date a specific person who is a Christian, just ask them, regardless of whether you're a guy or a girl. If you're the person being asked out, don't give an immediate response, but say you will give an answer after a period of time, say one or two days (this kills the tension a bit). After that time, give your yes or no.

I would recommend accepting at least one date, unless there is a genuine reason you should not go out at all (not a believer, you know them reasonably well and you don't get on, they are a Martian). Attraction is a thing that can grow, and the only way you can know someone better is spending time with them. Group time in church or social group alone is not sufficient for this purpose.

I tend to think Christians should generally adopt an approach (contrary to the courtship movement) of separating the concept dating out from 'going steady'. Dating allows you to build a relationship without BEING IN a relationship, and also erodes the "I'm waiting for a good Christian man" syndrome, because people are more likely to ask, and accept, initial dates.

Assess as you go, maybe commit to a certain number of dates before you work out whether to continue, communicate as you go to check you're on the same page, and if you start to progress to things like introducing family, meeting up regularly, doing the same church regularly, for a sustained period of time, then go 'relationship' status.

Of course, the OTHER, more straightforward possibility (Occam's Razor alert!) is that everyone here in CC singles (including myself) is just unattractive and uninteresting. But that's loser talk. :p
 
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Another explanatory statistic, specifically addressing the fact that women divorce men at a dramatically higher rate than men divorce women, is that studies have found men are far more inclined to stay in a marriage which both partners find unfulfilling than women are. Statistically, most men will remained married in an unfulfilling marriage and operate on "auto-pilot" while women will not. 68% of divorced men polled state they never even saw the divorce coming. 90% of divorced women polled say they did... which makes sense as they usually initiated it.
 

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Just wanted to add this. It's one of my favorite videos. What he's saying applies to us as single men too. Our battle right now might not be to pursue and encourage the hearts of our wife and children, but there are plenty of other battles before us that we are called into.

[video=youtube;ejjweiF0gTk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejjweiF0gTk[/video]
nah, I'm not interested in pastors that keep trying to put everything on men as the problem, not women
 

ChandlerFan

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nah, I'm not interested in pastors that keep trying to put everything on men as the problem, not women
Not to say that you need to like or endorse the pastor, but you would be mistaken to take exhortation and encouragement directed toward men as a universal statement of blame towards men or as a universal absolvement of responsibility toward women because it is neither. I will say, though, that the video title doesn't really accurately reflect the video as it's not a "calling out" as much as it is an exhortation and encouragement--a "You can do it!" of sorts.
 
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