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setapart

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I had an amazing revelation from God yesterday. I was beaten down and depressed and useless. I had no energy at all. Satan was whispering in my ear telling me to reject God and telling me to call myself his slave. But in the midst of all that struggle, a thought came to mind: Pray and ask God to show me what Christianity really means.

Within a few minutes the burden was off my shoulder and God showed to me, that Christianity is knowing God and loving God.

John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Everything else is vanity. Everything. Food is vanity, clothing is vanity, people are vanity, the air we breathe is vanity, finding a husband/wife is vanity. The only thing that matters is knowing and loving God. Once we know and love God, what He chooses to add on top is only blessing upon blessing. If He chooses a mate for us we will be able to love them properly, because we won't love the creation more than the creator.

Rom 1:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

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That's powerful you're right. everything is vanity but i can't deny what i feel, i am grateful for all the things he has done for me, i deserve none and he has made my dreams a reliality i live for him and him alone. everything i desire is in him. as paul once said living as living sacrifices romans 12, but in me i have a longing to live with someone that pursues Gods kingdom with me. that's what i meant as a free spirit i love God more than anything and i will never be able to give him up for anyone. I have been in denial of not wanting someone but reality is that i want someone. God bless you brother!
 
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Sorry to hear about your bad experience :( we aren't all like that.

I think your experience is a good advert for the idea that a serious relationship is often best started from a point of friendship, beginning at the stage of a romantic interest means certain things will become an issue quite quickly and sometimes people's own character can fail them, it doesn't always mean they are a player but sometimes it's just that they went too far too fast and got overtaken by their desire and emotion....and we're all guilty of that at times especially when we feel a strong attraction to another person.

If your friends first even just for a short time you can be more trusting that the sincerity they display is genuine and even when they make mistakes you can be sure they didn't have an aganda from the start.

I think this would be good for you because if you are enjoying your freedom right now then keep doing so and just see what your friendships with men turn into, and if they turn into nothing more then at least you will have those solid relationships in your life when you do find something more.
Thanks for your advice! i actually only start relationships as friends when i met him i thought he was just a normal guy. I was not attracted to him in anyway, but we started spending all of our time together, and he started liking me, when i realized i liked him, it was to late to hold back my feelings. I saw his heart and he saw mine. we are both musicians and ministered together everywhere it was one of the best times ever, it was so innocent i had my guard down. i think it was because we always spoke to deep. God was the center of all of our conversations, but you just never know. i guess! thanks for your input. God bless you!
 

QuestionTime

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I am never interested in non christian guys, but i know many and most christian guys have many things in common that they should not. their is on characteristic in a guy that makes me fall for him, only one without this i am not attracted to him, that is that he loves God more than anything. I love it when a guy speaks about God as if he were more important than anything he cared for. I love it when he shares his passion for God without caring what others think. I admire a man that lives for God and puts his selfish needs aside. How many guys do you know like this??????? exactly not many. they are rare and hard to find, but those are the only guys i ever consider dating. the last guy i was talking to possesed all these characteristics, my defense was down and he turned out to be a player, i was shocked and so was everone, no one saw it coming, to the point that my guy friends wanted to beat him, but i just dumped him
Perhaps he had a righteousness according to the Law; an external righteousness consisting in keeping a list of rules. If this was the case, his desires would become too much for him - the Law provokes sinful desire - and he would act out in a way that he didn't want to act, but couldn't help himself.

I used to be the same, strict in outward righteousness yet full of dead men's bones (Matt 23). I had my list of rules and as long as life went smooth I did pretty well, but as soon as life threw me a curve-ball or some sinful desire was provoked, I quickly rebelled against my best intentions and made a fool out of God. Not to say that I am not still full of dead men's bones, but I realize now that I am not under the Law, and I am seeking to be saved by faith alone.

I would say SetAPart that if a man really loves God, he will be cautious from the start about ensuring he is right with God, so that he doesn't break your heart. His proneness to failure should leave him so fearful, that he would ensure that he is right with God first, so as not to hurt you.

Just avoid those men who keep the list of rules, and find one who trusts God for "the righteousness by faith."

Quest
 

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love moving when i please and how i please. I enjoy going out and helping people, nature and music. I'm kind of a free spirit, i dont know if i can commit. Most guys i meet want to tie me down, which automatically turns me off. They want me to lower myself so they can feel powerful; trying to change me to their liking, but i can't it is not that i think i am better, i just love being free.
Unfortunately I have a problem with this. Not because I think men are better than women or because I need a woman under my thumb or anything like that to feel like a man. As a Christian and a child of God, I am not free. I have been purchased by Christ at the cost of his blood. As Paul said, I am in bondage to Christ, or something to that effect. I have spent many years thinking the opposite and have thus spent the time walking in shadows and darkness. Until you become married, you belong to Christ, at which point he shares custody of you with your spouse. Any relationship that a person wants to work out will not survive with one or both parties thinking "Freedom". In the end it will just implode.

We are supposed to become one flesh with our spouse, so why would you do the opposite with someone you are courting/dating. And I don't mean in the physical sense. I mean a spiritual sense. If you can't commit, or are unsure, stay out of the dating scene. This goes for men and women.

The opposite gender are our brothers or sisters in Christ.We should not be playing games with their emotions. The ugly word freedom is doing just that.
 
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Unfortunately I have a problem with this. Not because I think men are better than women or because I need a woman under my thumb or anything like that to feel like a man. As a Christian and a child of God, I am not free. I have been purchased by Christ at the cost of his blood. As Paul said, I am in bondage to Christ, or something to that effect. I have spent many years thinking the opposite and have thus spent the time walking in shadows and darkness. Until you become married, you belong to Christ, at which point he shares custody of you with your spouse. Any relationship that a person wants to work out will not survive with one or both parties thinking "Freedom". In the end it will just implode.

We are supposed to become one flesh with our spouse, so why would you do the opposite with someone you are courting/dating. And I don't mean in the physical sense. I mean a spiritual sense. If you can't commit, or are unsure, stay out of the dating scene. This goes for men and women.

The opposite gender are our brothers or sisters in Christ.We should not be playing games with their emotions. The ugly word freedom is doing just that.
Freedom to me is such a beautiful word. you might have felt as if you were being stripped away from freedom, but i received it, Jesus christ freed me from my self and the vain things of this world. when i mean freedom it is freedom to express my love for God through everything i do. God is the center of my life, and i disagree with you, this world is chained down by sin but i was freed by christ and live in freedom thanks to him. many guys would consider me radical because i want to make a difference for Christ, but i am not afraid to enter the unknown i was not meant to live under a man, i was created to live next to him. i only live under God. concerning relationships i believe you should share your spiritual sense with them but have to be careful. i consider that more dangerous then physical connection. my dreams and ambitions sorround the living God. he is the center of my existence and when i share my spiritual emotions with someone i allow them deep into my heart and the core of who i am, which puts me at risk of getting hurt the worst way possible. I see him in everything, when i feel the wind i feel his warmth, i feel the sun on me i feel him smiling on me. i enjoy life because i see him through everything. I never date to hurt someone and i can't help it if i speak my mind, i will not dumb myself down so a guy can feel strong and confident. I consider that a lack of confidence, instead i am looking to embrace his beauty and him mine. making God the spot light! God bless you!
 

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Freedom to me is such a beautiful word. you might have felt as if you were being stripped away from freedom, but i received it, Jesus christ freed me from my self and the vain things of this world. when i mean freedom it is freedom to express my love for God through everything i do. God is the center of my life, and i disagree with you, this world is chained down by sin but i was freed by christ and live in freedom thanks to him. many guys would consider me radical because i want to make a difference for Christ, but i am not afraid to enter the unknown i was not meant to live under a man, i was created to live next to him. i only live under God. concerning relationships i believe you should share your spiritual sense with them but have to be careful. i consider that more dangerous then physical connection. my dreams and ambitions sorround the living God. he is the center of my existence and when i share my spiritual emotions with someone i allow them deep into my heart and the core of who i am, which puts me at risk of getting hurt the worst way possible. I see him in everything, when i feel the wind i feel his warmth, i feel the sun on me i feel him smiling on me. i enjoy life because i see him through everything. I never date to hurt someone and i can't help it if i speak my mind, i will not dumb myself down so a guy can feel strong and confident. I consider that a lack of confidence, instead i am looking to embrace his beauty and him mine. making God the spot light! God bless you!
Whoever desires to be great among you will be a servant of all.

If you are not willing to submit to a husband, how can you then serve those who are not even one flesh with you? If you are not willing to strive to submit to God's word on your role in marriage why are you dating again? In all that you do, do unto the glory of God. What does confidence have to do with anything? Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord. Btw, it is a lie of the world that being equal man and woman means they both have the same roles. There is neither male nor female in Christ. Likewise like the body of the church has many parts, a person finds it difficult to walk on their hands although it is possible, it is much more natural to walk on your feet. (Just an example, not calling women the feet :p )

This reminds me of a conversation at work today. (not that it personally relates) I asked a colleague today if he regularly attended church and he said yes, then added that he prolly wouldn't if it wasn't for his wife who is devout. I must say this is pretty common today. Which is sad because the man is supposed to spiritually lead his wife, he is supposed to be a guardian to her of sorts.

Are all these devout women decieved by ungodly men? Were her parents or spiritual leaders also decieved or did she even seek or listen to their counsil? Maybe this is a rant for the family forums but there are single women here looking for potential mates so I think it applies. Don't fall in the same trap as so many do, humble yourselves in this matter and seek counsil from parents and your spiritual leaders, hopefully you have chosen discerning ones. Choose wisely who you will submit yourselves to. (this is ofcourse to those who still believe that the bible is capable over modern thought on the subject of marriage)

[Braces for the backlash from women :) ]
 
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Whoever desires to be great among you will be a servant of all.

If you are not willing to submit to a husband, how can you then serve those who are not even one flesh with you? If you are not willing to strive to submit to God's word on your role in marriage why are you dating again? In all that you do, do unto the glory of God. What does confidence have to do with anything? Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord. Btw, it is a lie of the world that being equal man and woman means they both have the same roles. There is neither male nor female in Christ. Likewise like the body of the church has many parts, a person finds it difficult to walk on their hands although it is possible, it is much more natural to walk on your feet. (Just an example, not calling women the feet :p )

This reminds me of a conversation at work today. (not that it personally relates) I asked a colleague today if he regularly attended church and he said yes, then added that he prolly wouldn't if it wasn't for his wife who is devout. I must say this is pretty common today. Which is sad because the man is supposed to spiritually lead his wife, he is supposed to be a guardian to her of sorts.

Are all these devout women decieved by ungodly men? Were her parents or spiritual leaders also decieved or did she even seek or listen to their counsil? Maybe this is a rant for the family forums but there are single women here looking for potential mates so I think it applies. Don't fall in the same trap as so many do, humble yourselves in this matter and seek counsil from parents and your spiritual leaders, hopefully you have chosen discerning ones. Choose wisely who you will submit yourselves to. (this is ofcourse to those who still believe that the bible is capable over modern thought on the subject of marriage)

[Braces for the backlash from women :) ]
i think we just have different world views, i've been taught that a woman should be submisive and one with her husband and i imbrace that, i also undersatnd that they become one meaning men as well, but i also believe that men and woman should walk together, you can disagree with this but this is my opinion on the matter. I'm sorry i believe woman have important roles in God's kingdom to serve ANYONE, we were not created to live like husbands and boyfriends own us. plus your missing the second significant part of that verse men are suppose to treat woman like something fragile and be loving not controling and demanding it goes both ways. but i respect you opinion.
 

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I saw in another thread you called males a race. First of all, a gender is not a race.

Second of all, I heard a really good pastor last week say the following, "What we need to learn to do is say not, oh look there is a black person, there is an Asian person, but we need to learn to say, oh look a fellow Christian, a fellow saved person, a brother or a sister".

He admitted that he does not always do this himself, but that is what we need to strive for. We need to eliminate the barriers of race and gender.

Are men and women different? You bet. Are other races different? Not nearly as much as men and women are different. In fact it isn't races that make us different, its cultures of our nationality.

I know... I am from Ukraine and live in America, and nobody understands me. I see their thought process... "Oh look a foreigner of some sort" Inference... Different from us. Stay away..... Ostracize....

Stay in our closed minded hypocritical existance that most Americans have. Melting pot indeed.
 

eugenius

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And by the way, regarding my previous thread. I am not perfect either. As a matter of fact, you have a problem with guys. I have the same problem with women. Sometimes I don't like them very much. Why? I have my reasons. The main reason is vanity. Them caring what other people think a bit too much, being obsessed with the external rather than the internal, etc.

Am I right? No. Not all women are like this. In fact I would be wrong to generalize anybody in any way. Every individual person is different, be they black, white, orange, polka dot, whatever.

Learn to think like this. I am trying. Its hard I know. And do I still dislike and misunderstand women sometimes? Way too often. But its just another battle to fight in my own mind. Everyone has one.
 
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I saw in another thread you called males a race. First of all, a gender is not a race.

Second of all, I heard a really good pastor last week say the following, "What we need to learn to do is say not, oh look there is a black person, there is an Asian person, but we need to learn to say, oh look a fellow Christian, a fellow saved person, a brother or a sister".

He admitted that he does not always do this himself, but that is what we need to strive for. We need to eliminate the barriers of race and gender.

Are men and women different? You bet. Are other races different? Not nearly as much as men and women are different. In fact it isn't races that make us different, its cultures of our nationality.

I know... I am from Ukraine and live in America, and nobody understands me. I see their thought process... "Oh look a foreigner of some sort" Inference... Different from us. Stay away..... Ostracize....

Stay in our closed minded hypocritical existance that most Americans have. Melting pot indeed.
i don't know who you are but i feel you have crossed the line. "males race is a saying" like "men are from vinus and woman from mars" it was meant to be funny not offensive, i was trying to say men stood up for each other. sorry if it was offensive, im sorry you have had a bad experience in america i wish for you to not post anymore negative posts they are full of anger, and im not trying to fight. I love America and i pride myself in being an american i dont think it is okay for you to hold hatred. Not all americans look down on foreighners. you should read the agreement of this website it is meant for encouragement, questions and friendships, i posted my thoughts to get advice and new perspectives that are being missed not to be criticized, and offended. God bless you! and good luck with life.
 

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i think we just have different world views, i've been taught that a woman should be submisive and one with her husband and i imbrace that, i also undersatnd that they become one meaning men as well, but i also believe that men and woman should walk together, you can disagree with this but this is my opinion on the matter. I'm sorry i believe woman have important roles in God's kingdom to serve ANYONE, we were not created to live like husbands and boyfriends own us. plus your missing the second significant part of that verse men are suppose to treat woman like something fragile and be loving not controling and demanding it goes both ways. but i respect you opinion.
Well I didn't mention the man's responsibilities in marriage because I don't believe that the way either spouse treats their mate is supposed to be influenced by how that spouse acts, that was part of the reason for the warning. We are supposed to honor God in our marriage not our mates following of God's will (how they treat us), so I think it very important to marry in the true faith. Like Paul said, if you have a husband who is a unbeliever, quietly submit to him that he may be won without a word. Now if a woman marries an unbeliever, or false believer, in following God they will be treated not so great in submitting to a person who walks in the darkness. None the less, if a husband treats his wife like a slave, God calls on her to humbly submit, just like a man, even if he marries a woman who is cruel and lots of other things I won't bother mentioning, he is to love her as Christ loves the church.

Now the way I believe a man should act is this, as the scripture says, love your wife as Christ loved the church. If you look at what Jesus did for the church, I believe we have a possibly more difficult task than women do :p . Jesus does not treat the church cruely, He said I did not come to be served but to serve and give My life a ransom. Jesus deffinantly did lead, He taught, rebuked, loved, served, poured out His life to death for the church. He is also responsible for the church, He bore our sin. So I do not believe a man's responsibility in marriage to get a maid for life really, but a helper, who hopefully would follow and support him. He should love her as he loves himself.

BUT, as I stated earlier, this being lived out on either side is not because they deserve it, but because our Lord commands us thus. It is an act of love to God.
 

Pheonix

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I saw in another thread you called males a race. First of all, a gender is not a race.

Second of all, I heard a really good pastor last week say the following, "What we need to learn to do is say not, oh look there is a black person, there is an Asian person, but we need to learn to say, oh look a fellow Christian, a fellow saved person, a brother or a sister".

He admitted that he does not always do this himself, but that is what we need to strive for. We need to eliminate the barriers of race and gender.

Are men and women different? You bet. Are other races different? Not nearly as much as men and women are different. In fact it isn't races that make us different, its cultures of our nationality.

I know... I am from Ukraine and live in America, and nobody understands me. I see their thought process... "Oh look a foreigner of some sort" Inference... Different from us. Stay away..... Ostracize....

Stay in our closed minded hypocritical existance that most Americans have. Melting pot indeed.
Its called a melting pot because everyone is supposed to melt into one predetermined idea of the perfect American citizen. Culture, religion and everything must be the same.
 

Pheonix

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The problem many have is the belief that when it says "The man is head of the house", it is about power. Its not, its about responsibility. When everything ultimately hits the fan, we as men are responsible for the behavior of our wives, children and ourselves. We are responsible for everything in regards the christian walk of those under us. If they falter, we fail. And we have to answer for it.

If our spouse purposely sets out to make our lives difficult, we've failed before we start. Proverbs says something about it being better to lay in stinging nettles than to live with a contentious woman. I think that says it all. Maybe I got that quote partially wrong, but you get the idea.
 

Sharp

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I think it is ridiculous that you make these assumptions of me without even knowing me. first of all i am not the type of girl that dates around actually let me restate; i don't date at all which pisses a lots of guys as it is, they think i think im too good for anyone. I can see a player coming before most people, which many guys hate that quality since i burn their game without it even starting. I can see how you judged me instead of giving advice. I saw your profile and i was right you're a male, which justifies you getting defensive instead of understanding. many girls get hurt all the time and you saying it's pretty much cause they are stupid is a manly stupid response. I am never interested in non christian guys, but i know many and most christian guys have many things in common that they should not. their is on characteristic in a guy that makes me fall for him, only one without this i am not attracted to him, that is that he loves God more than anything. I love it when a guy speaks about God as if he were more important than anything he cared for. I love it when he shares his passion for God without caring what others think. I admire a man that lives for God and puts his selfish needs aside. How many guys do you know like this??????? exactly not many. they are rare and hard to find, but those are the only guys i ever consider dating. the last guy i was talking to possesed all these characteristics, my defense was down and he turned out to be a player, i was shocked and so was everone, no one saw it coming, to the point that my guy friends wanted to beat him, but i just dumped him, i didn't want him to justify himself, i didn't want to hear it, he had broken my heart and i fell for an idiot. anyways, as for me being a free spirit and not wanting to settle you're right guys like you make me realize that i don't want anyone. i rather end alone than with someone that holds me down because he is insecure of himself, but if i ever meet the right guy i will give my freedom away for him, but i know that if he truly loves me then he won't allow me. i am a dreamer and i want to marry a dreamer not someone that lives in fear. before judging someone you should know them. you just proved my theory right about guys!
Seriously you sound like Beyonce with all this independent woman bustin playa's games stuff.

If you're falling for people who turn out to be promiscuous, then surely you can see that you misjudged the person and made a mistake about who they really are. You have to take some of the blame.

I think some practical things to ask guys would be: Are you a Christian? Do you go to church? What was the sermon about last Sunday? What's the 8th book of the bible? What's the 7th commandment? Who wrote Galatians?

Seriously any of these questions would weed out guys claiming to be Christians but really being P. Diddy.
 

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I think some practical things to ask guys would be: Are you a Christian? Do you go to church? What was the sermon about last Sunday? What's the 8th book of the bible? What's the 7th commandment? Who wrote Galatians?

Seriously any of these questions would weed out guys claiming to be Christians but really being P. Diddy.
That is brilliant!!
 

QuestionTime

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Seriously you sound like Beyonce with all this independent woman bustin playa's games stuff.

If you're falling for people who turn out to be promiscuous, then surely you can see that you misjudged the person and made a mistake about who they really are. You have to take some of the blame.

I think some practical things to ask guys would be: Are you a Christian? Do you go to church? What was the sermon about last Sunday? What's the 8th book of the bible? What's the 7th commandment? Who wrote Galatians?

Seriously any of these questions would weed out guys claiming to be Christians but really being P. Diddy.
You can be a top theologian - without a true love for God - and still fry in hell. You can also be completely confused in your beliefs, yet have a heart that truly loves and cleaves to God.

Personally I'd prefer the company of people in the later category.

Quest
 
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Its called a melting pot because everyone is supposed to melt into one predetermined idea of the perfect American citizen. Culture, religion and everything must be the same.
Really, really getting tired of people who don't live here bashing on my country. While that may not be what you mean, that is how it's seen. Your description is not what the melting pot is, and anyone who has traveled and spoken to the people here would see that. What religion? I want the whole world to be followers of Christ...what are you hoping for? What is the dominant culture here? I am from the south, lived in all the states in Dixie, and can tell you, we all identify as Southerners, but Tennessee is as different from Alabama as Senegal is from Iceland. Even our barbecue varies from place to place....regional dialects, clothing, sweet tea vs. unsweet, all these things shift in patterns as large as states, or as small as city blocks. Not only do we not have a homogenized culture, we don't want one. Please don't make generalizations based on assumptions and wrongs done to you by people you have dealt with in the past.
 
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Really, really getting tired of people who don't live here bashing on my country. While that may not be what you mean, that is how it's seen..
I don't see it that way.
 
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Jennifleur

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Well, I think all of us have opinions about other countries that are colored by the society we live in. I can't tell you how many negative things I've heard about the French, but the people I've met from France are wonderful people and very kind. Often, it is due to misunderstanding about social behaviours or because we all, whether we admit it or not, are a bit uncomfortable with anything or anyone "different". It takes going outside of your comfort zone, which sadly many are not willing to do. I am sorry that you have not felt welcomed by the people where you live, eugenius. And I know you were generalizing for the sake of posting (and Pheonix as well), but I hope you realize that there are exceptions to every generalization. I don't pretend to be perfect, and I don't pretend that my country is perfect. But no country, no group of people is perfect.

I feel that this thread has painfully derailed off topic, so perhaps we can get back to the subject of whether or not they're "all the same" (either gender). There are some qualities that most men share, and qualities that most women share. But, really, we're all individuals so, no, we're not all the same. Even if, by first appearance, it looks that way, you'd be surprised what you see when you get to know someone. There are all kinds of personalities out there, among men and among women. If you seem to end up dating the "same guy" each time you start a new relationship, I'd instead look to see what all of these guys have in common that would draw you to them and interest you. Maybe, to find the kind of guy you're wanting, you need to step way outside of the realm of guys you'd normally consider. Just a thought, not trying to pressure you to go date someone you have absolutely no interest in, "just because" they're different. :) I still think you're better off starting as friends.

As for our roles in marriage, the Bible is very simple in what it tells us. It tells wives to submit to (to respect) their husbands, and it tells husbands to love their wives as Christ loves the Church. Now, in a perfect world, this wouldn't be a problem. However, we live in a world that is cursed with sin, and Satan loves to meddle in relationships. We've been taught all about "feminism" for years, how it's such a positive thing, etc. Do I believe women deserve respect? Yes. Do I believe that women are capable of being intelligent? Yes. Do I believe women are capable of doing most things that a man does? Yes. But I don't believe that feminism has done us any good. Sure, women can work outside of the home (though they still don't make as much as men, according to studies that have been done). Sure, they can become high-powered executives, or many other jobs or roles that have been traditionally held by men. But, if anything, I see that I get less respect now than women did before. No, I'm not a porcelain doll that needs to be protected from everything. I am intelligent, and I believe that God has given me talents to use to serve Him and build His kingdom, outside of taking care of a husband and children (though I have always felt that has been what God has called me to). But I believe that a man has the responsibility of being in charge of the household, of being the spiritual role model, of having active participation in his children's lives, especially when it comes to spiritual teaching. I believe that decisions should be made together, that children should be raised together, that both have a responsibility to do their part around the home (how much responsibility each person takes depends on the job situation and what each couple decides for themselves, but it shouldn't all fall on one person's shoulders). But, I definitely see that women get less respect, all for the sake of being treated "equally". I know that some women don't care much for chivalry, but it's because their perspective regarding chivalrous actions has been colored by "feminism". It's not demeaning to have doors held open and chairs pulled out for you; it's a sign of respect, and I've always seen it as such. But outside of the men I know at church, the guys I run into aren't very kind. I have guys run to cut in front of me, either in line or to get through a door, and will let doors shut in my face. They speak crudely in front of me, they openly gawk at women and some make inappropriate comments about the way women look or what they are wearing. While not every man fits the generalizations I have made above, it seems that the majority of the men I know from church are much more respectful; they are the least likely to speak crudely in front of women (in fact, my guy friends will often remove themselves when they have something of that nature to share), they hold doors open for women, I've never seen them gawking at women, and are the least likely to expect their wives to be "barefoot and pregnant" in the kitchen cooking dinner - they help around the house, they enjoy playing an active role in their children's lives, and they genuinely love and respect their wives.

Now, again, not every man who calls himself a Christian acts in that manner. In the same way, not every non-Christian man acts like a neanderthal jerk, either. Generalizations cannot possibly apply to everyone, but this is just what I have seen from my own personal experience. I'm sorry you've had bad luck with the guys, and I hope that you have better experiences in the future. But no, they're not all the same. :) They are all quite different, which is a good thing.

I do have to agree with a comment above, though. When you do get married, your first responsibility is to your spouse and your family. And most Christians, especially as they reach their 20's, are thinking about their futures when they are dating, looking for someone they can settle down with. Taking care of your family isn't demeaning; it's a higher calling, and it is one that you shouldn't put yourself in the position for unless you are ready. So, if you're not ready for that responsibility, or that commitment, than it's probably best not to date, especially if the other person is wanting to make those commitments. You can't fault someone for wanting to make those commitments; it's natural, and important if you're looking to get married. Paul wrote that it is better not to marry, as it allows you to more fully serve the Lord. So, if you're not wanting to be "tied down" because it will keep you from serving God more fully, awesome! As for what else you meant by being "tied down", you didn't really elaborate on what you meant. Now, if the guy is trying to change your personality, the music you listen to, what you enjoy for fun, then it sounds less like an issue of "He wants to tie me down to a commitment" and more like a control issue. But there are certain things that are expected of both men and women when they marry, and if you're not ready for those things then you shouldn't make that commitment. It's a tremendous responsibility for both parties involved, regardless of the individual dynamics that you set up for your relationship or family regarding work situation, home situation, etc.