CINDERELLA...........Revisited

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maxwel

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Okay, I am going to say this. My handsome prince is a country boy that has no problem getting dirty, loving God, and working by the sweat of his brow for everything he has. His hands are rough from all the hard work he does. I am just a simple God fearing, country girl that doesn't want a stuffy man in a suit and tie.
Isn't it a bit "stuffy" of you to have such a bias against "stuffy" men?

: )
 
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cmarieh

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#22
Isn't it a bit "stuffy" of you to have such a bias against "stuffy" men?

: )
I am just more into the rugged outdoorsman. I don't mind a suit and tie every once in a great while, but day to day, not so much.
 

maxwel

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I am just more into the rugged outdoorsman. I don't mind a suit and tie every once in a great while, but day to day, not so much.
I'm just teasing you.

It's fine for you to like whatever you like.

God made us all different.
: )
 
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cmarieh

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I'm just teasing you.

It's fine for you to like whatever you like.

God made us all different.
: )
I figured you were teasing me.:)
Praise God that he created us different because all of our relationships would BORING!
 
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What about that poor little farm boy who lived just up the lane from Cinderella? Every day he passes by her cottage, and would see her doing her chores, and his wee little heart ached from the love he had for her. Did she pay ONE IOTA of attention to him? NO!

Now, your gonna say..........there wasn't any such boy in the Story, AND THAT IS MY POINT! Shoot, they didn't even think enough about this young boy to put him in the Story.

The moral being, if you are a poor young farm boy in love with the beautiful young girl who lives in the Cottage just up the lane, YOU GOT NO CHANCE. For she is ONLY thinking of her Handsome Prince. You are "chopped liver" buddy, so get over it!

Actually, if you read the ORIGINAL version from the Grimm Brothers (Aschenputtel), it's very different from the Disney version.

Let me break it down:

Cinderella's mother dies. Her father remarries a stepmonster. Father is alive but uninvolved and allows stepmonster and her daughters to mistreat his daughter. Cinderella's mother is there to help her because her spirit embodies a bird in a tree that grows on her grave. There is a three-day ball that's a kind of competition for the women in the land to get the attention of the Prince. Cinderella is told to fulfill various tasks and she can go. Little birds help her do these tasks...she's not allowed to go.

She goes crying at her mother's grave and the fairy godbird gives her dresses and shoes for each night of the ball (copper dress and shoes, silver dress and shoes, and a gold dress and shoes--yes, the glass slipper is a mistranslation of the French version of the tale). She charms the prince, but gets away before he can sort out who she is.

On the third night, she slips away, but the crafty prince had pitch put on the stairs. She gets stuck, leaves behind a shoe...and the hunt for the mystery woman begins.

Meanwhile, back at the house, the prince and his minions show up with the shoe. Stepmonster tells daughter #1 to CUT OFF HER TOE so she can fit her foot in the shoe. She does. As the prince and she ride by the fairy godbird's tree, the bird calls out a little rhyme that basically says, "Hey you stupid prince, can't you see the blood leaking from the shoe????" So, back to the house.

Stepmonster then talks daughter #2 into cutting off a bit of her heel so the shoe would fit. She does. Again, they pass the fairy godbird who says basically the same rhyme again to the stupid prince. Back to the house.

Finally, Cinderella is noticed and is forced to try on the nasty bloody shoe...which fits perfectly. As they pass the bird, she gives a little rhyme that basically says, "This is the girl for you."

On their wedding day, the two (limping) stepsisters get their eyes plucked out by birds during the ceremony. So, they end up limping and blind.

And the moral of the story is:

It's not about being a PRINCE, it's all about the woman being CHOSEN. If you're the man who's smart enough to notice the girl who's off to the side that no one is choosing and you choose her, then you ARE the prince.

No shoes necessary.
 

maxwel

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#27
Like most things from Grimms' Fairy Tales...
that was horrifying.
 

Lynx

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Yes, very grimm.
 
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cmarieh

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Don't know how many here have heard the news report of people who are angry about the Story of Cinderella that have popped up these past few days. It may just be here in America, but the Story itself is a world wide phenomena, so I think all can relate.

Apparently, some people are now saying that the Story of Cinderella is "sexist" to the max in what it teaches young girls. Maybe, I can see some points of their argument. That being said, let me offer this bit of insight.

[my comments below are mostly tongue in cheek, but they are also to point out the absurd bias of folks who are dissing the Story]

Shoot! I've known for years that the Story of Cinderella was "sexist" and "hateful" towards men. No, it's true. Consider this..........the whole story tells us that a beautiful young girl conquerors the adversities in her life and meets, falls in love with, and marries a Handsome Prince.

Hey, if that ain't "sexist bias," I don't know what is. What about that poor little farm boy who lived just up the lane from Cinderella? Every day he passes by her cottage, and would see her doing her chores, and his wee little heart ached from the love he had for her. Did she pay ONE IOTA of attention to him? NO!

Now, your gonna say..........there wasn't any such boy in the Story, AND THAT IS MY POINT! Shoot, they didn't even think enough about this young boy to put him in the Story.

The moral being, if you are a poor young farm boy in love with the beautiful young girl who lives in the Cottage just up the lane, YOU GOT NO CHANCE. For she is ONLY thinking of her Handsome Prince. You are "chopped liver" buddy, so get over it!

I had to think about your post for a while and realized that maybe a perfect example of what you described would be "The Princess Diaries" The reason being is that there is a awkward teenager that doesn't fit in with her class finds out that she is a princess and has to have princess lessons. Well, the general public found out who she was and people at school befriended her for their own publicity, even the campus jock, whom Mia had a crush on. In the end it was her best friend's brother that truly loved her from afar.
 

seoulsearch

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I loved the original Grimm's Fairy Tales as a kid.

I used to listen to my Disney storybook Read-a-Long records and then go to the library to check out the "real stories" of what happened. Mostly, that everyone was maimed or died or both. But even as a kid I had a morbid sense of curiosity.

For everyone who thought "Titanic" was the ultimate romantic movie and "if only Jack and Rose could be together, I once saw a YouTube video entitled, "If Jack And Rose Had Stayed Together."

The person had juxtaposed the most romantic scenes from Titanic with the most dramatic scenes from Revolutionary Road (the film that reunited Kate and Leo together again.) Hint: once again, someone dies, quite horribly.

Personally, I thought it was brilliant. And much more true to what might happen in real life.
 
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ServantStrike

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Society is a curious thing.

If men feel they're being given the idea that they all must be rich, handsome princes, women are blatantly "told" everyday that they have no worth if they happen to pass the age of 30, get wrinkles or evidence of aging, and weigh more than 110 pounds.

I do understand why some people complain about this and that as far as unrealistic role models go... But then why aren't there just as many complaints that actors such as Tom Cruise and Bruce Willis are always paired with actresses who could be their daughters as their love interest?

Us poor plain girls over 25 just don't have a chance!

(I've actually witnessed quite a bit of this in real life on the Christian dating sites I've been on for years... All the women 20-30 something complain about the 50-70 something men who are trying to pick them up.)
Really?

I've always been a +/- 7 kind of guy. If someone is within that age bracket relative to my own age, I'd date them with no reservations.

I don't want a girl, I want a woman.... girls are stupid, women are fun.

Heck, I don't really even care about a few pounds either, and by that I mean it too. If I can pick her up, then she's good to go, and I'm pretty strong (I row 160 pounds, and I don't mean on a rowing machine, I'm talking Yates rows in a rack until I go to failure and drop the barbell on the pins).


My friends all tell me I'm not picky enough. I think I just don't give a care.


This isn't a problem that's unique to women though. Online dating sucks. It's... kind of a waste of time in general.
 

seoulsearch

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Really?

I've always been a +/- 7 kind of guy. If someone is within that age bracket relative to my own age, I'd date them with no reservations.

I don't want a girl, I want a woman.... girls are stupid, women are fun.

Heck, I don't really even care about a few pounds either, and by that I mean it too. If I can pick her up, then she's good to go, and I'm pretty strong.
I have to admit I was rather impressed to hear that Monica Bellucci (Persephone in the Matrix movies) had been cast as the new "Bond Girl"--and she's 50. But she's a gorgeous 50. And then I realized that on the downside, she is also a very unrealistic image of what 50-year-old women should expect themselves to look like. I'm nearly a decade younger and would be happy to look even half as good as she does. But I can't afford the kind of work she probably puts into it either.

It's always so refreshing to hear from men who don't mind or even prefer a little extra softness to a woman. I was talking to a guy the other day who actually liked it when his girlfriend was heavier... he said there was just a certain "loveliness" about her in that state that was missing when she was thinner.

Wow.

All this appreciation for bigger girls is making me want to skip the treadmill and eat jelly beans.

After all, apparently all I have to do is worry about fitting into a glass slipper, and all that's required for that is my FOOT, not my rear end. :) Even better, it also seems to be that all I'll need to pass the test is ONE foot... so hopefully all the excess jelly bean weight will go to the opposite sided foot.
 
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Gender stereotypes are dangerous when they alter your expectations of others or cause you to suffer from inadequacies. That's it in a nutshell.

Not every man is rich and dashing, not every woman has a beautiful singing voice, lol. We're all people at the end of the day.

There are only two people you should compare yourself to, Jesus Christ and followers of Christ.

Paul said of himself in 1 Corinthians 11:1, "Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ."

I still watch Disney movies, heck I still enjoy some old 80s cartoons (I am a child of the 80s, afterall), but I know to keep my eyes on Christ particularly when it comes to cultivating relationships. I want that respect, and I know everyone else would want that respect.

Comparing yourself to other people in a worldly way, that's tough, then fictional characters, that would drive anyone insane.

Humbling yourself at every turn opens up a shot at something great, to interact with a real person... in terms of relationships, romantic or otherwise. The one mitigating factor is, you don't want a leech who uses you, it should be mutual, and as long as you can discern who is worth your time and who isn't, then you got it.

Just my opinion... lol
 
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cmarieh

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I will definitely agree with you BibleReader. I am not perfect, so I don't expect a perfect guy. I have my flaws, but so will he.
 

p_rehbein

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If anyone has actually read the story of Cinderella then me thinks the sexism thing is kinda lightweight. After all in the actual story the step sisters be cutting off bits of their feet to beguile the prince.

Moral of the story: A poor but surefooted Cinderella is better than a well heeled woman.

Agreed. Shoot, it they want a movie to get all upset about, they should have went with Finding Nemo................look how they portrayed the girl in that movie............talk about sexist..........
 

Fenner

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When I watch the story of Cinderella, I only have one thought,

"Wow, I just wasted 2 hours of my life...
I could have been shaving my back."

Or saving your money or becoming and ordained on line Prince, sheesh do you want to get married or not? ;)
 

Fenner

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I loved the original Grimm's Fairy Tales as a kid.

I used to listen to my Disney storybook Read-a-Long records and then go to the library to check out the "real stories" of what happened. Mostly, that everyone was maimed or died or both. But even as a kid I had a morbid sense of curiosity.

For everyone who thought "Titanic" was the ultimate romantic movie and "if only Jack and Rose could be together, I once saw a YouTube video entitled, "If Jack And Rose Had Stayed Together."

The person had juxtaposed the most romantic scenes from Titanic with the most dramatic scenes from Revolutionary Road (the film that reunited Kate and Leo together again.) Hint: once again, someone dies, quite horribly.

Personally, I thought it was brilliant. And much more true to what might happen in real life.
I have a book of Grimm fairy tales in my attic, I really do. When my kids are bad I want to read them those stories and replace some of the names with their's. I don't but it's tempting.

Also I'm going to look up that you tube video.
 
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I always wondered why in Cinderella everything turned back to normal (coach turned back into pumpkin, dress turned back into rags, etc..), except for the glass slippers which remained glass..

 

Fenner

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Black magic zero, didn't you know that Cinderella was a Jezebel and she was tripping on acid and she stole those glass shoes from her stepmother? That's why they didn't like her, don't believe the hype. Poor Cinderella treated so badly, well it's because she was always high and stole stuff.