CINDERELLA...........Revisited

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Agreed. Shoot, it they want a movie to get all upset about, they should have went with Finding Nemo................look how they portrayed the girl in that movie............talk about sexist..........
The only stuff I remember about Finding Nemo is that it's about a talking fish trying to find his son hight Nemo. I saw it when it came out in theaters years back, so it's been a lil while.
 
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I have to admit I was rather impressed to hear that Monica Bellucci (Persephone in the Matrix movies) had been cast as the new "Bond Girl"--and she's 50. But she's a gorgeous 50. And then I realized that on the downside, she is also a very unrealistic image of what 50-year-old women should expect themselves to look like. I'm nearly a decade younger and would be happy to look even half as good as she does. But I can't afford the kind of work she probably puts into it either.

It's always so refreshing to hear from men who don't mind or even prefer a little extra softness to a woman. I was talking to a guy the other day who actually liked it when his girlfriend was heavier... he said there was just a certain "loveliness" about her in that state that was missing when she was thinner.

Wow.

All this appreciation for bigger girls is making me want to skip the treadmill and eat jelly beans.

After all, apparently all I have to do is worry about fitting into a glass slipper, and all that's required for that is my FOOT, not my rear end. :) Even better, it also seems to be that all I'll need to pass the test is ONE foot... so hopefully all the excess jelly bean weight will go to the opposite sided foot.

You have a nice smile. That's covers up a few extra pounds easily. Plus you're outgoing, that covers up a few extra pounds too. And you're a good kidnapper. Add an extra couple pounds. See, you're just about good to go (although I'd still say be careful with the jelly beans - gotta eat healthy and all that).

I can't speak for other guys, but I've only ever had one woman tell me my expectations about a woman's size were unrealistic. I was joking and said as long as I can dead lift her body weight, then she's fair game. This woman must have been really heavy - because I dead 250-325 pounds (which is low given my overweight 250 pound frame, but oh well).

Really as long as someone is healthy, I think they can get away with a lot weight wise, but that's just my opinion.
 
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Society is a curious thing.

If men feel they're being given the idea that they all must be rich, handsome princes, women are blatantly "told" everyday that they have no worth if they happen to pass the age of 30, get wrinkles or evidence of aging, and weigh more than 110 pounds.

I do understand why some people complain about this and that as far as unrealistic role models go... But then why aren't there just as many complaints that actors such as Tom Cruise and Bruce Willis are always paired with actresses who could be their daughters as their love interest?

Us poor plain girls over 25 just don't have a chance!

(I've actually witnessed quite a bit of this in real life on the Christian dating sites I've been on for years... All the women 20-30 something complain about the 50-70 something men who are trying to pick them up.)

I could have written this myself!! Great post Seoul

So true.. and yes I had those same experiences on the dating sites. and I would meet men who were my age who basically wanted someone with the body of a 19 year old.. I told one guy what he needed to do was this" find a 30 something women who has never had children, then marry her and pray she stays super hot and fit before you die..." that shut him up and of course we never dated :) lol.. or even spoke after that.

the thing is..charm is deceitful and beauty is vain but a woman who fears the Lord , she shall be praised :) so what's the most important thing here ... ? :)
 
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Actually, if you read the ORIGINAL version from the Grimm Brothers (Aschenputtel), it's very different from the Disney version.

Let me break it down:



No shoes necessary.
I remember this version and I love your "moral of the story" :)
so perfect!
 
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BibleReader

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Don't know how many here have heard the news report of people who are angry about the Story of Cinderella that have popped up these past few days. It may just be here in America, but the Story itself is a world wide phenomena, so I think all can relate.

Apparently, some people are now saying that the Story of Cinderella is "sexist" to the max in what it teaches young girls. Maybe, I can see some points of their argument. That being said, let me offer this bit of insight.

[my comments below are mostly tongue in cheek, but they are also to point out the absurd bias of folks who are dissing the Story]

Shoot! I've known for years that the Story of Cinderella was "sexist" and "hateful" towards men. No, it's true. Consider this..........the whole story tells us that a beautiful young girl conquerors the adversities in her life and meets, falls in love with, and marries a Handsome Prince.

Hey, if that ain't "sexist bias," I don't know what is. What about that poor little farm boy who lived just up the lane from Cinderella? Every day he passes by her cottage, and would see her doing her chores, and his wee little heart ached from the love he had for her. Did she pay ONE IOTA of attention to him? NO!

Now, your gonna say..........there wasn't any such boy in the Story, AND THAT IS MY POINT! Shoot, they didn't even think enough about this young boy to put him in the Story.

The moral being, if you are a poor young farm boy in love with the beautiful young girl who lives in the Cottage just up the lane, YOU GOT NO CHANCE. For she is ONLY thinking of her Handsome Prince. You are "chopped liver" buddy, so get over it!

Cinderella is written from a female point of view, so we're not supposed to relate to the prince as men as women can with Cinderella. It's just not possible. Speaking of the adaptions by Disney, I always thought more retro Disney princes were lame anyway, to be honest, these princesses are a little old fashioned, I get it, a product of its time, but wait, the princes just seem so bland. LOL

Also, another thing I found odd about old Disney movies, the concept that the supporting characters would be more active, the mice, the fairy godmothers in Sleeping Beauty, the dwarfs in Snow White. Him and her seemed to get together because of the intervention of third parties saving the day, but that's just an aside.

I also once heard an interesting concept about (ducks) pornography (ducks)... some men watch some of that stuff which totally does not even have male performers because they'll invariably resent that person on screen. Men view other men as competition, all that jazz. If it were the farmboy on screen, we'd come up with a reason to dislike him too, who knows? At the end of the day, that person isn't you. LOL

Maybe women have an easier to allowing themselves to use movies/tv shows/books to find avatars. A lot of people say Bella in Twilight is as blank state as you can get so teen girls could live out their fantasy of a vampire who would obsessively love them. Yikes.

This is the danger of looking to anything that is not real to shape your perceptions, resentment and anger and self pity are not good looks on anyone. That's why looking to Jesus is always, no expectations, is the best bet. 100% of the time.
 
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MyLighthouse

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It's sexist both ways. The Prince has absolutely no real personality, and as I think you were getting at only gets the girl because he's rich. As the case for all the princes, until Aladdin and Flynn Rider came along. I've never see any guys complaining about it as much as women do.

This is a fairytale classic and that's just how it is. Back when it was published that was every girl's dream. Most little girls are only going to care how pretty the princess is and the dresses. Everything else they really wouldn't care about.
 

proverbs35

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When I watch the story of Cinderella, I only have one thought,

"Wow, I just wasted 2 hours of my life...
I could have been shaving my back."
Yeah, but maybe if you marry a Cinderella, she'll shave it for you. :)
 
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Black magic zero, didn't you know that Cinderella was a Jezebel and she was tripping on acid and she stole those glass shoes from her stepmother? That's why they didn't like her, don't believe the hype. Poor Cinderella treated so badly, well it's because she was always high and stole stuff.
just acid? well i guess at least it wasn't meth.
 
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Black magic zero, didn't you know that Cinderella was a Jezebel and she was tripping on acid and she stole those glass shoes from her stepmother? That's why they didn't like her, don't believe the hype. Poor Cinderella treated so badly, well it's because she was always high and stole stuff.
You know, Rammstein had a weird snow white and the 7 dwarves video where snow white was an addict that was main lining gold dust and beating the dwarves (who worked in mines to get snow white her gold dust). Snow white died of an overdose and they all broke into tears until she somehow came back to life.

It makes no sense, but reminds me of your cinderella story.

I thought it was Alice from Alice in Wonderland who was taking acid though, and mushrooms. Druggie, and the inspiration for "Go Ask Alice" most likely..


Stupid druggie fairy tale chicks. Such a bad example to kids!

Yeah, but maybe if you marry a Cinderella, she'll shave it for you. :)
With a glass slipper? Is she going to smash it on a counter bar fight style and shave with the jagged egge? I mean, all of the sudden she seems like she's a lot more human if she does that.
 
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Cinderella's story when it's referenced oft reminds me of my great grandmother Elizabeth. I knew her as a sweet old lady and a strong Christian. Every year she'd send me birthday cards with the Psalms on them and a goodly note and we had the same birthday. From family folklore it is said when she was young her mother died and her dad remarried a woman that did not like her. Her dad then died while she was young, shot to death by his brother on the front porch. When she was in her early teens she ran away from home with my great grandpa whom died before I was born. Though from the many legends about him, he seemeth not so much like prince charming lol. She had many children, lived well into her nineties only needing a nursing home for a few years, and was one of the kindest people I am thankful to have met.
 

p_rehbein

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Cinderella is written from a female point of view, so we're not supposed to relate to the prince as men as women can with Cinderella. It's just not possible. Speaking of the adaptions by Disney, I always thought more retro Disney princes were lame anyway, to be honest, these princesses are a little old fashioned, I get it, a product of its time, but wait, the princes just seem so bland. LOL

Also, another thing I found odd about old Disney movies, the concept that the supporting characters would be more active, the mice, the fairy godmothers in Sleeping Beauty, the dwarfs in Snow White. Him and her seemed to get together because of the intervention of third parties saving the day, but that's just an aside.

I also once heard an interesting concept about (ducks) pornography (ducks)... some men watch some of that stuff which totally does not even have male performers because they'll invariably resent that person on screen. Men view other men as competition, all that jazz. If it were the farmboy on screen, we'd come up with a reason to dislike him too, who knows? At the end of the day, that person isn't you. LOL

Maybe women have an easier to allowing themselves to use movies/tv shows/books to find avatars. A lot of people say Bella in Twilight is as blank state as you can get so teen girls could live out their fantasy of a vampire who would obsessively love them. Yikes.

This is the danger of looking to anything that is not real to shape your perceptions, resentment and anger and self pity are not good looks on anyone. That's why looking to Jesus is always, no expectations, is the best bet. 100% of the time.
Were you believing that the OP was in any way SERIOUS? Oh goodness................ :)
 

seoulsearch

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#52
You have a nice smile. That's covers up a few extra pounds easily. Plus you're outgoing, that covers up a few extra pounds too. And you're a good kidnapper. Add an extra couple pounds. See, you're just about good to go (although I'd still say be careful with the jelly beans - gotta eat healthy and all that).

Really as long as someone is healthy, I think they can get away with a lot weight wise, but that's just my opinion.
Well glory hallelujah. At this rate, Servant is saying I can basically get away with looking like one of those sideshow circus ladies... Now I just wonder if I can also pass off my beard as something attractive and we're good to go. :p

I smiled when you said I'm outgoing. I like to call myself an introvert who can occasionally masquerade as an extrovert. Online, I just love finding people with a good sense of humor, irony, or deep thought and are great at making jokes or conversation off each other's posts.

Everyone I've met in person says I look better in person than in pictures, so I guess I just take really bad pictures. I avoid cameras anyway unless I'm the one taking the pics, and I loathe selfies.

Size is also a crazily relative thing. I wear a size 6 jean. Asian women think I'm obese because they all wear a size 0 or less. White, black, and Hispanic women I work with often wear sizes in the 20-range and tell me I'm tiny. Sometimes they even try to feed me. (Which is not entirely a bad deal but see? I feel more and more like a real circus attraction... just throw me your containers of cotton candy and peanuts...)

I totally agree with you that it's all about the person, including have a positive attitude towards health, fitness, and... good fashion... as in, WHEN IS MR. RIGHT -- not Mr. Handsome or Mr. Rich, but Mr. Right-for-Me -- GOING TO SHOW UP ON MY DOORSTEP CARRYING A GLASS SLIPPER IN MY SIZE??? :p
 

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Also, another thing I found odd about old Disney movies, the concept that the supporting characters would be more active, the mice, the fairy godmothers in Sleeping Beauty, the dwarfs in Snow White. Him and her seemed to get together because of the intervention of third parties saving the day, but that's just an aside.

I also once heard an interesting concept about (ducks) pornography (ducks)... some men watch some of that stuff which totally does not even have male performers because they'll invariably resent that person on screen...
I skimmed this and thought that you were still talking Disney stuff and were saying that Donald, Daisy, Uncle Scrooge, Huey, Dewie, and Louie were somehow pornographic with all the (ducks) thrown in.

I mean, I know about some of the dirty things that animators sometimes sneak in and some supposed hidden messages in Aladdin and Liom King, but c'mon. Leave Donald alone!!

Need more coffee...
 
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Cinderella.. Cinderella.. wherefore art thou??



oops wrong fairy tale.. my bad. :rolleyes:
 

seoulsearch

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I skimmed this and thought that you were still talking Disney stuff and were saying that Donald, Daisy, Uncle Scrooge, Huey, Dewie, and Louie were somehow pornographic with all the (ducks) thrown in.

I mean, I know about some of the dirty things that animators sometimes sneak in and some supposed hidden messages in Aladdin and Liom King, but c'mon. Leave Donald alone!!

Need more coffee...
And here we have just a glimpse into the mind of one Catherder... Need I say more? :p
 

melita916

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someone mentioned shoes, and now i'm here.

lol
 
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I skimmed this and thought that you were still talking Disney stuff and were saying that Donald, Daisy, Uncle Scrooge, Huey, Dewie, and Louie were somehow pornographic with all the (ducks) thrown in.

I mean, I know about some of the dirty things that animators sometimes sneak in and some supposed hidden messages in Aladdin and Liom King, but c'mon. Leave Donald alone!!

Need more coffee...
Hmm, I did not catch this at first. Now that I think on it though, Donald Duck never did wear any pants.