Dating: When and How Do You Bring Up the Subject of S-E-X?

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buckeyegirl700

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I agree with maddog. I don't think that a courting couple should be discussing sex but that is just my opinion. If I am dating a Christian man and even if we have decided to get married I wouldn't want to discuss sex until we were officially married. I am not sure about discussing past sexual encounters because I guess it would be important to discuss the possibility of exposure to stds or something.
 
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Matthew

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But when it comes to the more sexy sex talk...I don't know, I'm a very conservative soul and wouldn't really like to talk personally about such things. Hopefully we'd be 'in tune' enough to be able to work it out intuitively as we went along. Discussing it out loud is not something I think I could do, as I consider myself squarely on the 'deviant' end of the sexual spectrum and there's no way I'd let slip any details because she would (probably quite rightly) run a mile.

So, to be frank, I think silence is often better.

It's curious, you put yourself at the deviant end of the sexual spectrum and so find it difficult to discuss out loud because you might scare a partner away, but if it did work out the way you hope and you were able to intuit these things about each other would that not take away the worry because you would be sure enough that she is at the same point on the sexual spectrum?
So if you're a ways into a relationship do you think that in spite of your conservative shell you'd be able to have a conversation?

I ask because I'm genuinely curious, I can't see any logic beyond that which says that not having a discussion that could lead to a disaster is simply pushing the inevitable downstream, so in that case, why would you even be in it in the first place.

To me, silence is good for a day, it's a disaster for tomorrow.
 
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Suzie2family

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Another dilemma for me is, when I've met other men who said they were christians, that didn't always mean we were on the same page in regards to spiritual maturity, bible knowledge, etc. I've met quite a few "chrisian" men (divorced guys--not talking about guys who were still virgins) who said adamantly that they would HAVE to sleep with a woman before they would EVER consider marrying her. I guess I was surprised by this--it seemed to be across the board--they all answered the same way, as if they thought the only way they'd find out if she was the right girl or not was by how she performed between the sheets. They all seemed shocked that anyone would think otherwise. Now I know men have sex on the brain more often than women (generally speaking) but I thought, "Am I the only one who disagrees with this? Or is our society so warped that even Christian men have been decieved to believe the only way to know you can trust enough to truly commit yourself to a woman is if she is satisfactory in bed?" What am I missing here? Does everyone in society believe that?
 
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Suzie2family said:
Does everyone in society believe that?
Speaking against the sad excuses for my gender and my generation.. I'm glad to tell you that that kind of thinking is limited to a minority, but sadly that minority seems to gather together in packs so it may seem to you like a majority. (Happens more often than not.)

I mean, I'm not perfect, I've made mistakes, but those mistakes have affirmed to me that something like s-e-x (lol at the title) is not something that makes a relationship. (Not saying it isn't important to a "married" relationship) but any time before that it is nothing more than a distraction, whether or not you've been married or have had sex before.
I did notice how you put parenthesis around the word "christian", so at least it seems like you're aware that that kind of thinking is definitely not biblical or Christ directed. Whether you've been married once or three-hundred times, the only time sex is "necessary" (in that form of the word) to a relationship is for procreation, all other times it is a unique thing between a husband and his wife in order to share something that God meant for the marriage bed alone (maybe as a form of worship to his divine plan. He made us with our parts for a reason)

Because really, if you limit yourself to your husband or wife and are following God's will in the relationship, the issue of "compatibility" is null, seeing as he or she is going to want to please the other in any way they can because they'll want to satisfy each other.
 
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Maddog

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It's curious, you put yourself at the deviant end of the sexual spectrum and so find it difficult to discuss out loud because you might scare a partner away, but if it did work out the way you hope and you were able to intuit these things about each other would that not take away the worry because you would be sure enough that she is at the same point on the sexual spectrum?
Well, intuition only takes one so far. Bluntly she would never ever know about this. I'm sure once we're married we could get along fine and work our way through via trial and error, though we would remain squarely in realm of normal sexual activity.


So if you're a ways into a relationship do you think that in spite of your conservative shell you'd be able to have a conversation?

I ask because I'm genuinely curious, I can't see any logic beyond that which says that not having a discussion that could lead to a disaster is simply pushing the inevitable downstream, so in that case, why would you even be in it in the first place.

To me, silence is good for a day, it's a disaster for tomorrow.
Saying things out loud forces the other person to make a response. If they're not ready to hear it, then I could understand why it would be easier for them to cut and run.

Also, saying things out loud has the curious effect of making things 'more real' and harder to ignore. It's not something I particularly like about myself, and not something I'd be too chuffed about if anyone else knew. At least by keeping my mouth shut, there's a nice barrier between real life and the strange stuff in my head. Generally, I think it's better not to infect reality with such thoughts.

I honestly can't imagine sharing it with her at any point, even after we were married. I could perhaps tell a priest in the security of a confessional, but that's about it. I think it's for the best, since even if by some blind stroke of perverted luck she shared similar sexual tastes, as I said, it's really not something I think we ought to bring into the real world.
 
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Jordache

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You better talk about sex. You better talk about how far is to far, turn on's, etc. Yes, it's uncomfortable, but if you're not ready to talk about it, you're probably not ready to be in a relationship. Sex should not be a taboo topic. It should be done carefully with boundaries and outside consultation, but never avoided. If you avoid, chances are you'll do it.
 
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Well, intuition only takes one so far. Bluntly she would never ever know about this. I'm sure once we're married we could get along fine and work our way through via trial and error, though we would remain squarely in realm of normal sexual activity.

I honestly can't imagine sharing it with her at any point, even after we were married. I could perhaps tell a priest in the security of a confessional, but that's about it. I think it's for the best, since even if by some blind stroke of perverted luck she shared similar sexual tastes, as I said, it's really not something I think we ought to bring into the real world.
I shortened your quote to the two main points i wanted to address...

Yeah I don't think i could have the whole shove it in the back of my mind and hope for normalcy approach you do. I would definitely want someone whose mind followed at least the same lines as far as that goes. Otherwise I wouldnt see much point in at east that aspect of the relationship.
 
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Suzie2family

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I honestly can't imagine sharing it with her at any point, even after we were married. I could perhaps tell a priest in the security of a confessional, but that's about it. I think it's for the best, since even if by some blind stroke of perverted luck she shared similar sexual tastes, as I said, it's really not something I think we ought to bring into the real world.
If this matter is something you feel you need to get off your chest and confess, then do it, but I think you're right--maybe NOT to your potential love. We're all sexual creatures, but just because we've had aberrant thoughts about sex doesn't make us perverts anymore than thinking about what it would be like to fly to the moon makes us an astronaut. If your thoughts about this seem to be troubling you or causing you to stumble then by all means, go to a priest or a professional counsellor. I tend to think we don't need to "bare all" to someone we are in a relationship with.
 
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iraasuup

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This is interesting. I've read the entire thread (something I don't do often- I'm a pro at 'skimming' now lol), but I just wanted to throw this out there:

I've been married almost 7 years (will be 7 years this October) and let me tell you - we're still figuring some of that 'sex' stuff out.

I honestly can't remember if we talked about the subject before we got married (my memory is terrible these days), but we talked about anything and everything, so I'm sure it would have come up. Neither of us are subtle people, and nothing phases us, so nothing really seemed a big deal to us anyway.

However, my point is, people seem to think that 'Once we get married we'll just figure it out'... but you know, it's not that easy. My husband had some views on this subject that I never knew about until just recently. He's not a big 'talker' so he figured he'd go the whole 'just try it and see what happens' approach. BIG MISTAKE! I would have appreciated if he had talked to me first. I mean heck, we're married - he should be able to say something like 'Hey baby what would you think about xxx' without feeling awkward. We worked it out, and now we laugh about it. And yes, we still discover stuff about each other in this area all the time- that's half the fun.

But my advice to the guys who think they'll just 'figure it out once we're married' is tread VERY carefully. Even if you think you know your potential spouse well enough, there are some things you may never understand fully about her. That is why God gave us mouths- with which to communicate.
Effective communication = effective relationship...as my husband says Happy wife = Happy life.

The other thing to remember is that each of us has different needs/expectations, as previously mentioned in this thread. Now, I'm not saying this to scare anyone but IT IS a reality we should all consider so here goes. Let's say a couple have different expectations on frequency. For the purpose of this example let's say the guy wants sex way more than the girl- she's happy with say once or twice a week and he wants it every other day. Well okay, therein lies a problem. If this isn't discussed and brought out into the open how will they ever come to a mutal satisfactory arrangement?

I have seen marriages fall apart from this. One of the TOP REASONS men have affairs is because they aren't 'getting enough' so to speak, from their wife. How is that their wife's fault if she isn't aware of his needs. (This is a different story if she simply refuses him- which is unbiblical anyway, and an altogether different topic). I've seen men fall into the trap of pornography to 'make up for' the lack of satisfaction they get in their marriage bed. I KNOW for a fact that their wives would much rather have had an 'awkward conversation' and possibly review her own views on the matter, rather than lose her husband to adultry or pornography.

These are very REAL issues, and for that reason (among others) I think talking about this subject is VERY important. Even AFTER marriage the subject will come up (however, probably from entirely different angles than the conversations that took place pre-marriage).

So anyway, sorry for the rant. My point is couples should talk. Sex shouldn't be a 'taboo' subject. No, it's NOT the be-all and end-all of the relationship, but it is an important factor. Just like communication, finances, riasing children, where to live, it plays it's part in the relationship and shouldn't be overlooked or taken lightly. If it's put properly into perspective, it can actually play a HUGE part in helping mould a healthy relationship. Understanding that things like respect and intimacy go hand in hand is a good place to start too...

***end rant***
 
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Jullianna

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Great rant! :)
 

zeroturbulence

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But if the guy wants sex everyday, the woman is supposed to submit to him according to the bible right?
 
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lightbliss

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But if the guy wants sex everyday, the woman is supposed to submit to him according to the bible right?
It can go both ways, actually. This is usually where communication comes in handy.

Is this the verse you're referring to?

1 Corinthians 7:5
Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
 
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Maddog

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I shortened your quote to the two main points i wanted to address...

Yeah I don't think i could have the whole shove it in the back of my mind and hope for normalcy approach you do. I would definitely want someone whose mind followed at least the same lines as far as that goes. Otherwise I wouldnt see much point in at east that aspect of the relationship.
Horses for courses, I suppose. The angle I'm coming from is that normal, good sex sans the weird stuff is still good sex. I like to think I can be content with that.

And if I'm not, I'll just occupy myself with model railways and airfix models. ''Fancy something kinky and bizarre tonight, husband?'' ''No thanks love, I've got a Panzer IV to build.''
 
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Jullianna

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1 Corinthians 7

1 Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.

Neither husbands nor wives are to deny one another.
 
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Suzie2family

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Horses for courses, I suppose. The angle I'm coming from is that normal, good sex sans the weird stuff is still good sex. I like to think I can be content with that.

And if I'm not, I'll just occupy myself with model railways and airfix models. ''Fancy something kinky and bizarre tonight, husband?'' ''No thanks love, I've got a Panzer IV to build.''
LOL. This was EPIC.
 
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Actually, I was thinking about the verse in Genesis 3:16 where God says "Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

Also;

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent." 1 Timothy 2:12
 
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seoulsearch

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But if the guy wants sex everyday, the woman is supposed to submit to him according to the bible right?

The Bible does tell wives to be submissive to their husbands. But for some reason, the second part often seems to be overlooked: Jesus tells husbands to love their wives as He loved the church. I doubt God's idea of a loving husband who is continuously sexually demanding (without any consideration for his wife's point of view, and vice versa.) Considering the passages quoted in the previous post... I also doubt that God's idea of a loving husband is one who "lords over his wife" for sex and demands that he get what he wants while she keeps silent over the matter. I know that I for one would not stay in a marriage like this because I would consider it to be abusive.

The bottom line is that husbands and wives are to be considerate of each other in all areas of life, including sex. While it may be true that one spouse wants to have sex more than the other, God calls us to love and respect each other, especially spouses. There is going to compromise and sacrifice at times... just as Jesus compromised His own wants and made the ultimate sacrifice for His own Bride, the church.

God expects this of both spouses... not just the wife or just the husband.
 
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This is from the New Testament:

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent." 1 Timothy 2:12
 

seoulsearch

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This is from the New Testament:

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent." 1 Timothy 2:12
Growing up in the Lutheran church, I have heard many commentaries concerning this passage, one being that this was meant for the context of official church teaching (in public) and not necessarily in the private or home setting.

I think it's also a matter of relationship with God--ask God if the way you are treating someone is the way He wants you to treat them... I fully believe that passages like this are often made into "blanket statements" when God knows the differing events and contexts of our lives...

If someone is demanding sex everyday from their spouse or in a way that makes their spouse uncomfortable... I have a hard time believing that the God who showed mercy to a Samaritan woman with 5 ex-husbands and a live-in boyfriend will pat them on the back and say, "Good job, my son!!! Great work in keeping that wife of yours silent and submissive, especially when it comes to sex!"

After all, we always TALK about a personal relationship with Jesus. So... what better way to have that close relationship with Him than to Him about your personal life and whether or not you're right on track with His will in your life? Ask Him how He wants you to see, view, and treat a date or spouse... including the subject of sex. If He tells you to bowl them over... I'm sure I can't argue with God... but I sure hope He hasn't chosen someone for me who thinks that way.

If God thinks I'm too rebellious, I'm sure He'll deal with me... but I'd feel sorry for any woman who marries a man who thinks and acts this way.
 
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Jullianna

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1 Corinthians 7:4 specifically says that a husband's body is not his own and that he must yield to his wife in matters of intimacy and vice versa.

I do agree that in other matters, the husband has authority over the wife, but in this particular situation, it's mutual.