Did you cause your DIVORCE?

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Jordache

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Well Seekingg, no one should want to marry me either. My ex is who he is. I pray that he finds God again. I pray he finds his calling again. I pray for some sort or reconciliation on his part. I've attempted it on my part and been completely rejected. My intent was not to make him look bad. My intent was simply to tell the story. I was not an innocent party, but like someone mentioned before, I didn't make my ex do what he did. I will never claim innocence. I will claim only redemption and righteousness bought through Christ.
 

seekingg

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What kind of reconciliation do you have in mind? Yah i tried that many times with mine, She does not know Jesus yet. Gods will be done on that.
 
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I know divorces take a while I'm sure you area great dad
and it sucks that she left. but until u have your paper in hand you really can't give your heart away and you bibically are cheating
if it came off disrespectful this is the one time I assure that wasn't my intent.
your right shae0104, even though my wife left almost 2 yrs ago i am still true to my marriage. I have to be a proper example from Jesus to my daughters. thx...
 

seekingg

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I know divorces take a while I'm sure you area great dad
and it sucks that she left. but until u have your paper in hand you really can't give your heart away and you bibically are cheating
if it came off disrespectful this is the one time I assure that wasn't my intent.


hey shae0104, i am not cheating. Just to know a woman is not cheating. Am i cheating by talking to you.? Ill tell you what the court ordered family therapist said. she said for me to have female friends for now.


 
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SeatBelt

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...My intent was not to make him look bad. My intent was simply to tell the story....I will claim only redemption and righteousness bought through Christ.
Jordache, as long as it has taken for me to hear your story, I feel that it is very safe to say that your absence of bitter intent is obvious to anyone who has seen you around before. I'm sorry that your back story is what it is, but as we all know, "It's not where you been..."
May God blossom a beautiful phoenix fire for you and remake your life such that none can question His glory.

...but until u have your paper in hand you really can't give your heart away and you bibically are cheating....
and sometimes even then. Men and women alike, whether divorced or considering someone who is divorced, have a responsibility to make sure that they are taking steps in line with God's limited definitions of when it is acceptable to remarry after a divorce. This is why it is understandable to me when Christians, who know well the practice of grace, mercy, & forgiveness, choose to not even consider the possibility of dating a divorced person...it does complicate things when you acknowledge that the laws of man are far more permissive than the laws of God.


... Ill tell you what the court ordered family therapist said. she said for me to have female [/B]friends for now.


I encourage you to get any counseling or therapy from a licensed Christian practitioner. You have that option, even if it is court ordered. I also recommend the non-denominational Biblically rooted program DivorceCare and just simply to not rush Anything. Focus on the friends part. Perhaps even focus on Same Gender friends(!). Divorce is a slow process, I know firsthand. Healing is even slower, but the Great Physician can heal completely if we let Him.
 
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Relena7

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relena7 , satan want to destroy any marriage I think he works on the weakest link. Now this was my wife i thought. But now i know through scripture that i should have built up my wife in the word and should have had understood Gods true love from God through me to my wife..
I somewhat agree, but I look at it from a different perspective too.
Sometimes certain people bring out the worst in us. Where we are strong with some people, we are weak with others. We don't lose our tempers around everyone. Sometimes it's simply a personality conflict. Some people push our emotional baggage buttons without even trying. And other people can't push those same buttons no matter what, because they do not see life from the same glass as the first person and they think on a different frequency that more closely matches yours.

I'm sure some divorces were caused more by one side than the other. But I don't think that you can look at every divorced couple, and wonder which one of them "has something wrong with them" that they cannot be married to a person. That just isn't fair. Maybe there is nothing wrong with either one except that they clash. Very badly.

Also, to state the obvious, unless you are actively dating a divorced person and curious about that persons history, it isn't really any of your business why it didn't work out.
 
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Seekingagain I mean this not with no disrespect and yes making friends is great!Talking to me like you stated isn't cheating. When it becomes romantic it is.Two years is a hard time to go with out the company of a female. But this is what you said ( i did cut and paste): If you are a divorced man and you wife has the kids then you need to tell me whata great catch you x is. You have a vested interest in her finding a good man. Sofess up and tell me how you destroyed you marriage and how great your x is andthen introduce her to me on cc.emale companion. I am sure you do want a step father that would be willing to die for youchildren.

jordache if yourx would tell me the same thing about himself, then you could be a catch.

all that doesnt point to just being just friends, it shows a different intent.
However, I am no one to you and so I wish you well. I am praying for you and your daughter. Take care.


 
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dashadow

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My ex was the one who wanted the divorce. She never did tell me why,except that she was unhappy living here away from her family & friends. I think she thought the grass would be greener here,so to speak. I could have been a better husband as a provider of $$ for sure. She got bored the 2nd yr into our marriage and wanted to get a job,when she finally got one,after a year she hated it,but because of our lifestyle & excessive bills with things going wrong with the house & our dog at the time being sick,we both had to work to stay afloat & I know she hated her job & felt trapped. We got along great...more like friends. No one who knew us could believe we were getting a divorce. Most ppl who saw us thought we were the model couple. I blame myself also,because she was an unbeliever. She didn't have a problem with me being saved,because as she put it.."I didn't try to ram the gospel down her throat & I wasn't hypocritical like many people into God she'd met before"
I kinda fooled myself into thinking she'd be open to Jesus one day,but I was wrong...her entire family are Atheists or Agnostic,which I didn't know at first. Oddly enough,over the years I found that a great deal of people from the UK are atheists. Anyways,I think in a way we both caused our divorce...but I take more blame upon myself because I knew better. I'll always have that guilt I think. (I know I know...give it to God...blah blah blah) lol Hopefully I will one day. Gods' not gonna take anything from me I won't give him,even if he knows it's bad for me. It's a daily battle not to blame myself for HER actions or decisions...but yanno..sometimes we like our self pity. :rolleyes:
Great that you would share such intimate details of your life. I think it helps to share. You'll find that others have the same burden. Perhaps, together in Love and Faith, your guilt will be washed away.

The challenges in my marriage are coming to a head. And it helps me to hear about others like yourself. I've let the bitterness of my marriage simmer inside for too long. And I believe some serious prayer and a frank discussion with my wife are in order.

I think it's hard for people to open up about such matters because others will often judge what they know nothing about. Even if people have similar problems, the small details can make a world of difference. For instance, some people will say, "Well, you should have done this or you should have done that." If what others have to say isn't constructive, just let it go in one ear and out the other. Anyway, as with most matters, it can be of comfort to open up as a way of venting or trying to let go of the pain. But always remember to give it to God.....blah, blah, blah. :)
 
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dashadow

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As someone stated before, divorce is rarely caused by one person only. Most of the time one person is more to blame than another, but both are to blame. My divorce will be final at the end of April. I dated my husband for 5 years and in that time his mother died from breast cancer and my father almost died, but received a liver transplant two months before the wedding. I had always been a part of his family. I held hhis moms hand when she died. I took care of his youngest sister who was only 13 when his mom died. I was very muh enfolded into the family for 8 years before we married. However, that led me to sticking around because I really wanted to be a part of a good and Godly family. His parents were pastors. Ryan had a pastoral anointing and was pursuing seminary. His whole family was musical. It was like the patridge family. My ex-husband was a semi-pro percussionist. He'd drag out his conga set, his oldest sister would play piano, and all 4 kids and myself would sing worship in 3 or 4 part harmony. I taught his youngest sister to cook and clean. I went to Africa for three weeks with the middle sister. In all the years we were dating, Ryan never completely exhibited anything dangerous. I thought I was aiming high to find a man who loved Jesus. I had no frame for looking for a man that could support me.
Oh, we had plans, but there was never follow through. And like a good codependent, I did everything for my husband alway hoping that he would come out of his rut. But that rut got deeper. I cooked. I cleaned. I shopped. He wouldn't move. No social life. No hygiene. Stopped going to church. Turned his back on the lleadership at my church who requested he pursue a job before he pursue a church position. Though they reached out, he ignored them. Turned his back on God. And eventually turned his back on me. After months and months of him stealing my phone and hacking my fb and email because he didn't like me having any outside communication especially with the pastors, he began getting violent. He would fly into a rage at a text where a friend asked how I was. He would scream and yell, demand I talk to no one but his dad, and when I told him that was inappropriate, he would slam a door, take off, or break something. Eventually he began throwing things at me and it came to a was one night when I actually thought he was going to kill him. We had fought about something, and he'd left. I locked the door and went to shower I. The spare bedroom bathroom. He came back in, broke the bedroom door open, and yelled at me to come out of the bathroom. Eventually his sister came to get him.
He had threatened divorce dozens of times. I tried to work with him, but he would except no boundaries. If I said no, he wanted a divorce. But I stood by his side patiently believing that he would come around. He was hospitalized and had his family sworn to secrecy as to his whereabouts. Over six months I prayed while he was in the hospital and I wasn't allowed to know where. A few times he deided he wanted to talk, but they were all short lived. As soon as I told him any simple thing he would have to do, he wanted a divorce again because I wasn't being supportive.
He was finally released from the hospital in March of last year. He never wanted to talk to me, but in the summer he decided to try. It was the same pattern. If I said something he didn't like, he wanted a divorce. Many times I was afraid for my life. He's very large and was very violent and impulsive. He had already thrown some things and hit me. No one was big enough to restrain him especially in a rage. I dared not get a restraining order since that would have set him off.
So for over a year I'd stood by his side. I'd supported him when he allowed me to. I'd been willing to talk and work on things, but he had not been. In August I was in divorce support group an I asked them to pray with me for direction, and I felt The Lord release me to file. It was clear to me and many others that this was just going to drag on. He wasn't really willing to get any help on his own. Any help he'd received was forced on him. At the end of October I filed for divorce after 2 1/2 years of marriage, almost 8 yrs together as a couple, and 9 yrs of being a part of his family.
I was not prepared for marriage when I got married. I didn't choose well. I chose someone who was very immature in a practical sense because he seemed mature in a spiritual sense. I did not recognize the immaturity then because to me he was simply a free-spirit. I also catered to his lack of participation in our whole relationship. I wrote his resumes. I collected job applications for him. I bought his clothes, cooked all his meals, and scheduled his life. I was his mother because he needed one and I am recovering from a messiah complex. Seeing how I had barely started exploring boudaries when I was married, I wasn't as clear as I should have been in setting them. It wasn't for lack of trying though. I just really didn't know what my husband was allowed to require of me. There are other things that went on that made llife difficult. I was wrong in many of them, but I can also say for much of it I really can't see that there was another way to function short of kicking him out sooner.
So, while I'm thesser lesser guilty of we two, I am not in any way innocent.
This is such a heartfelt and heartbreaking testimony. Really helps me put my situation in perspective. Both you and your husband will be in my prayers. God Bless!
 
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SeatBelt

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Also, to state the obvious, unless you are actively dating a divorced person and curious about that persons history, it isn't really any of your business why it didn't work out.
This is the sort of advice that should be heeded.

As someone in the midst of a non-reconcilable divorce, I often feel judged and feel the need to explain, but that conflicts with my desire to never gossip about her. Talk about a tight rope.
 
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iTOREtheSKY

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Great that you would share such intimate details of your life. I think it helps to share. You'll find that others have the same burden. Perhaps, together in Love and Faith, your guilt will be washed away.

The challenges in my marriage are coming to a head. And it helps me to hear about others like yourself. I've let the bitterness of my marriage simmer inside for too long. And I believe some serious prayer and a frank discussion with my wife are in order.

I think it's hard for people to open up about such matters because others will often judge what they know nothing about. Even if people have similar problems, the small details can make a world of difference. For instance, some people will say, "Well, you should have done this or you should have done that." If what others have to say isn't constructive, just let it go in one ear and out the other. Anyway, as with most matters, it can be of comfort to open up as a way of venting or trying to let go of the pain. But always remember to give it to God.....blah, blah, blah. :)
I have good days & bad,like we all do. I certainly do not want to hold on to any lingering bitterness,and honestly even though it's only be a little over a year since the divorce,every day that goes on is a bit easier. LOL & the giving it to God,blah blah is not to mean any disrespect (not that you thought I was being so) it's just one of those things that go through my head like,ok dude..this is like christian basic fundamentals 101...forgiveness,duh!!!!:D I don't really mind opening up about my life to others usually,and as far as being judged,I really only need be concerned with 1 that will judge me. People have & will always judge me. I can't control them. I hope everything works out for you & your spouse. Of course it would be awesome if you both can sort things & stay together...but if not,then I pray you allow God to heal your heart & hers & that in the midst of something so crappy that God can bring something good from it. God's pretty clever like that. Satan thinks he's so sly,but God always is 100 moves ahead of him...so much so,I don't think even satan knows really what the heck's goin' on half the time,he's diluted himself so much. Hopefully we don't allow ourselves to go sown that same road as well & I think part of steering clear of that is just being real with one another & of course doing our best to seek God & what he has for us to be doing at that moment. Hang in there dude...God is faithful!:)
 
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GreenNnice

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Divorce happens to a lot of folks, around 60%, I think is the stat, and, it's important to understand that God has a plan for your divorce after it happens. He didn't give up on Cain, who became of the evil one through killing his brother, Abel, as Cain, who pleaded to God to have change happen , that his punishment was 'too great to bear,' got forgiveness from God, and, was a 'wanderer,' but his faith did something i reckon as Cain then married, had kids, and, here's the kicker, 'built a city.' And, so, that said, God will NEVER give up on you, but admitting fault is good and going to those hurt is good and truly , with the love of God who first loved you on your heart, asking them to forgive you. don't say you forgive them, you WILL by virtue of those very words, "I am sorry, forgive me." :)
 

seoulsearch

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hey shae0104, i am not cheating. Just to know a woman is not cheating. Am i cheating by talking to you.? Ill tell you what the court ordered family therapist said. she said for me to have female friends for now.


I can totally understand that this might be what the court-ordered therapist said... And I understand that it's hard to go without opposite-gender contact/friendships. I often feel as if I'm starting to turn androgynous (NOT GAY, just as if I have no gender anymore because I feel invisible to the opposite sex), so I get what you're saying.

However, I was just curious as to what your church family, mentors, and pastor (as well as God, of course) have to say about the situation right now. God CAN talk through therapists of course but sometimes what He may be saying might be a lot different from what the "experts" may be saying.

We all want to feel we have a right to find someone... but often we jump too close too soon.
 

seekingg

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Seekingagain I mean this not with no disrespect and yes making friends is great!Talking to me like you stated isn't cheating. When it becomes romantic it is.Two years is a hard time to go with out the company of a female. But this is what you said ( i did cut and paste): If you are a divorced man and you wife has the kids then you need to tell me whata great catch you x is. You have a vested interest in her finding a good man. Sofess up and tell me how you destroyed you marriage and how great your x is andthen introduce her to me on cc.emale companion. I am sure you do want a step father that would be willing to die for youchildren.


shae0104 now i know you understand. I do want my x to meet a good man. I pray for it . are there any good men out there willing to love her and die for my children? i dont see one yet.


jordache if yourx would tell me the same thing about himself, then you could be a catch.



all that doesnt point to just being just friends, it shows a different intent.
However, I am no one to you and so I wish you well. I am praying for you and your daughter. Take care.
 

seekingg

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I can totally understand that this might be what the court-ordered therapist said... And I understand that it's hard to go without opposite-gender contact/friendships. I often feel as if I'm starting to turn androgynous (NOT GAY, just as if I have no gender anymore because I feel invisible to the opposite sex), so I get what you're saying.

However, I was just curious as to what your church family, mentors, and pastor (as well as God, of course) have to say about the situation right now. God CAN talk through therapists of course but sometimes what He may be saying might be a lot different from what the "experts" may be saying.

We all want to feel we have a right to find someone... but often we jump too close too soon.
seoulsearch, You are not invisible to me. i would like to tell you more but i have not completed my divorce.

MY pastor and leadership tell me i must forgive her , and to trust God, amen.
 

seoulsearch

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God bless you in the forgiving process, Seekingg. I know it's a tough road and hope you get through it to a better place and life. Someone just asked me the other day if I had forgiven my ex and it's been 15 years.

I actually had to think about it for a minute, and I answered that I was so mad AND sad for such a long time, the feelings were intermingled. I don't feel so mad anymore, I think I've forgiven (some people would say I should KNOW I've forgiven him) but to be honest, even though the anger isn't there, the immense sadness (and feelings of failure, etc.) still linger so I do think I've forgiven him, I just feel sadness that we couldn't make it through. There were moments I felt more complete with him that I ever had in my life and I fear I will never find that again.

Best wishes to you and if you should feel you can, please keep us posted so we can keep you in prayer.
 

SparkleEyes

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I am going to answer this by saying what I would do differently next time:
I would first of all marry the right man. I didn't do enough thinking and figuring out things before I married my now ex.
I would also make sure I communicated my respect and appreciation to him were I to get married again.

I will say, though, that even if I had done #2 sincerely and regularly in my marriage, it still would have failed. It failed because he is not marriage material (confirmed in confidence to me by one of his family members.)
 
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I am 100 percent responsible for my divorce, i had an absolutely sweet and wonderful husband, he was a press reporter and a creative soul, he fell in love with me because i was as he put it "a jack of all trades" :) We were both techies too and would actually give eachother weird stuff like external harddrives and fancy software as Christmas gifts LOL. Other people chuckled and mocked us but it was our little world.

We had a cat called sasha and a little nest of pure love in the heart of Manhattan. Every morning we would have breakfast at the local café and i loved watching him read his morning paper while the sun rays filled the café's terrace and i would doodle faces on napkins while waiting for our order.

He took care of all the Financial aspect of our life and he spoiled me to the extreme. I was literally like a princess, i would spend hours shopping while he worked and he would take me to the best jazz clubs, he would insist i followed him around his trips to press or political events, staying in the best hôtels, enjoying car trips out of town, and stopping for pictures at local sceneries. He would laugh at me while i painted my nails in the moving car and managed to change outfits just on time for the next event.

We were of different races and whenever one of his colleagues or callous friends made a racist remark he would get angry and defend me against them. He knew i loved him and had the proudest look on his face when i got dressed up before we went out to some party, we actually looked beautiful together too. He bragged about my Art to his family and close friends, and made me discover his native island, his family of fishermen.

What brought destruction to this beautiful story is that i was a non christian and a selfish wife, i got used to being taken care of and failed to take up my own burden in the work. Yes i did take excellent care of our home, i was even a perfectionist in that area, made sure everything was spotless and even his underwear was ironed and drawers filled with lavender sachets.

But i was shopping all the time, obsessed with decorating and improving, content with being a stay at home artist while he went out and fought against the whole world for the both of us. And i didnt see when my poor husband started to sink.....slowly but surely.

His employer played an evil trick on him and work started slowing down, but i was too busy being a selfish princess to take notice, and he would come home drained, collapsing on the sofa while i went around making mental notes of what next i wanted to go shopping for.... :(

tears still flow down when i remember such shameful things i did, but yes i was horrible and it killed his love for me.

God saved me because i was a wicked woman among righteous and honorable people, i was lost and so confused about what really mattered in life. And sadly when i was saved, and i repented of all that evil, he was already burnt out from all the abuse i had put him through.

He was just like rett in gone with the Wind, at the end of his patience and love, and i was left behind because i deserved it, and i know that. But oh how i wish he knew the level of my sincere repentance and how i wish he saw the hope of Jesus Christ in me. But it was too late, i had done too much and there was no redemption of his love. So he left me, his heart became hard as stone and he hated me with as much passion as he had loved me.

Today we are divorced and i pray God has blessed him with a better wife, and i on the other hand i'm grateful because God has worked in my life and brought me out of all that wickedness. He is preparing me, i hope, to be a better wife someday :)

may God have mercy on all the wicked wives who are still today blind to the harm they're doing and may God show also mercy to evil husbands who abuse their wives. May God help us all to become better people, for his glory. Amen.
 
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bettereveryday24

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some times people who don't take accountability for the breakup carry baggage into the next relationship. The oppsite holds true too. People who think its all their fault have baggage as well.
 
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biscuit

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some times people who don't take accountability for the breakup carry baggage into the next relationship. The oppsite holds true too. People who think its all their fault have baggage as well.
The harsh reality is neither side wins.