do you "lead" with your flaws?

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just_monicat

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ok, i'm going to say upfront: this thread is starting with a rant. : )

one of the things that i find most frustrating when i meet, or get to know someone is when they have the habit of (sometimes, constantly) putting themselves down.

about a year ago, i went on a (first) date with a guy who seemed pretty cool. but it didn't take long before he started disclosing what he considered his weaknesses. he said "oh, i'm not the smartest guy..." followed by chuckling, then later went on to jab himself about his athletic ability, his laziness, his lack of discipline when it comes to money, that he didn't know the bible as well as he should, and the list went on. some of the statements were said in seriousness, but some were followed by nonchalant laughter.

and i've seen women do it. openly ridicule themselves, offer qualifications and caveats, asking for minimal expectations.

i'm not talking a playful jab at themselves, such as the occasional good-natured self-deprecating humor. in fact, i often poke fun at myself, but there's a difference between something like that, and "leading" with your flaws.

when guys do it (such as on dates) it's one the fastest ways for them to lose my attention.

it never comes of as being humble. instead, it makes me feel like i'm wasting my time with a guy who appears to be trying to talk me out of my interest in him.

obviously, in a friendship there is honest conversation and we discuss our flaws. but there are people who are "leading" with their flaws and i often wonder if they even realize it.

do you tend to "lead" with your flaws or feel compelled to inform people what you're bad at or deficient in? if so, why do you think you do that?


have you all observed this, and/or know people who do this? what are your thoughts on it?
 
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Raine

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Guilty... Ugly could back that up lol.

in my opinion it tends to happen with people who lack self confidence. I'm trying to grow out of it... Like instead of saying, "I'm so ugly!" I've tried replacing it with, "I'm so gorgeous!" But it's in process... I think sometimes too, like in my situation, I grew up in a family where flaws are pointed out 90% of the time in comparison to praise.

But it's a good starting point to recognize these flaws so that you can work on them. Most importantly, we should learn to view ourselves the way God sees us... Which is beautiful, and even in our weaknesses he finds beauty because in them, he can be strong and glorify himself.
 
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rainin

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I did that sort of thing when I was much younger. Not at all now. I accept my flaws as part of who I am but I don't define myself by them as I used to.
 
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Heh I am very guilty of doing this. Idk, on one hand I like to be honest and I feel anything else would be pretty much being a liar (think like George on Seinfeld pretending he is Art Vandalay the architect lol). I wouldn't want a gal to think I am something I am not.

I especially like the idea of offering minimal expectations. I do not believe to one hair of my head that anyone has no expectations. Everyone has expectations and should be upfront about them I think. A girl that claims she has no minimal standards is one I'd rather not take a chance on because it makes me think she is hiding something about herself or makes me think she got ulterior motives.

Way I see it if a girl offers her minimal conditions, even if I do not meet them currently, gives me a goal to work towards. If her expectations are unrealistic for myself, well, simply we'll stay friends and never date again lol.

At same time though I see merit in what you are saying. I find myself being pretty hard on myself in some respects, perhaps I need to learn to love myself a little more.

Interesting topic though worthy of ponderance no doubt.
 

just_monicat

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I especially like the idea of offering minimal expectations...A girl that claims she has no minimal standards is one I'd rather not take a chance on because it makes me think she is hiding something about herself or makes me think she got ulterior motives.

Way I see it if a girl offers her minimal conditions, even if I do not meet them currently, gives me a goal to work towards. If her expectations are unrealistic for myself, well, simply we'll stay friends and never date again lol.
thank you for sharing that.

you've piqued my curiosity. would you please elaborate on what you mean by the above?
 
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I do tend to lead with my flaws. Partly because I know that when someone gets closer to me, they are going to see those flaws, and I need for them to know that I am aware of them myself. Maybe that's a pride thing, or maybe self-protection, I don't know. I also do it when I want to discourage attention. I've never really thought about it as self-ridicule. That definitely makes me want to kick the habit.
 

DanPhu

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Honesty is the best policy which is why continual self-deprecation isn't really being honest with oneself. Yes, it's true we have our flaws, but we also have God-given characteristics that make us different from the rest. The hand cannot continually self-deprecate itself by not being the life giving source the heart is, nor can it continually dumb itself down because of how smart the brain is. The hand is also important as it acts out what the brain wants to take hold of and also moves about as the heart supplies its strength.

It's fun to look at oneself as half empty, but to make it a continual practice cannot actually be annoying to those around us. We are half empty, but we're also half full. An honest look at oneself is having a balanced view of oneself.

but I thought honesty was the best policy?
 

DanPhu

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*takes notes*

ok, i'm going to say upfront: this thread is starting with a rant. : )

one of the things that i find most frustrating when i meet, or get to know someone is when they have the habit of (sometimes, constantly) putting themselves down.

about a year ago, i went on a (first) date with a guy who seemed pretty cool. but it didn't take long before he started disclosing what he considered his weaknesses. he said "oh, i'm not the smartest guy..." followed by chuckling, then later went on to jab himself about his athletic ability, his laziness, his lack of discipline when it comes to money, that he didn't know the bible as well as he should, and the list went on. some of the statements were said in seriousness, but some were followed by nonchalant laughter.

and i've seen women do it. openly ridicule themselves, offer qualifications and caveats, asking for minimal expectations.

i'm not talking a playful jab at themselves, such as the occasional good-natured self-deprecating humor. in fact, i often poke fun at myself, but there's a difference between something like that, and "leading" with your flaws.

when guys do it (such as on dates) it's one the fastest ways for them to lose my attention.

it never comes of as being humble. instead, it makes me feel like i'm wasting my time with a guy who appears to be trying to talk me out of my interest in him.

obviously, in a friendship there is honest conversation and we discuss our flaws. but there are people who are "leading" with their flaws and i often wonder if they even realize it.

do you tend to "lead" with your flaws or feel compelled to inform people what you're bad at or deficient in? if so, why do you think you do that?


have you all observed this, and/or know people who do this? what are your thoughts on it?
 

DanPhu

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Okay, well you gotta really convince me that you lead with your flaws because I don't see you do that in the Singles room to be honest. I guess I haven't been around you long enough to observe a continual practice of self-deprecation.

I do tend to lead with my flaws. Partly because I know that when someone gets closer to me, they are going to see those flaws, and I need for them to know that I am aware of them myself. Maybe that's a pride thing, or maybe self-protection, I don't know. I also do it when I want to discourage attention. I've never really thought about it as self-ridicule. That definitely makes me want to kick the habit.
 

DanPhu

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Honesty is the best policy which is why continual self-deprecation isn't really being honest with oneself. Yes, it's true we have our flaws, but we also have God-given characteristics that make us different from the rest. The hand cannot continually self-deprecate itself by not being the life giving source the heart is, nor can it continually dumb itself down because of how smart the brain is. The hand is also important as it acts out what the brain wants to take hold of and also moves about as the heart supplies its strength.

It's fun to look at oneself as half empty, but to make it a continual practice cannot actually be annoying to those around us. We are half empty, but we're also half full. An honest look at oneself is having a balanced view of oneself.
Correction: "It's fun to look at oneself as half empty, but to make it a continual practice CAN actually be annoying to those around us."
 
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thank you for sharing that.

you've piqued my curiosity. would you please elaborate on what you mean by the above?
Well I guess I view it as a battle of Conditions and Progress.

Like for instance, first a girl signals she is available and she expects to be married at some point. The ultimate goal is marriage and the conditions leading up to this, both mine and hers, must be fulfilled before marriage can take place.

Next progression is talking phase, whereupon I figure we talk a bit get to know eachother better. If I like her personality, I would wonder her conditions for me taking her on a date. If I can meet conditions we go on a date post haste! If not but she still interested in me, I will work towards fulfilling those conditions.

Next progression is the date. If the date goes well, then I suppose there is a natural expectation for a few more dates.

Next progression is to wonder what expectations the woman and her family have in order to get married. Again if I can meet those conditions immediately, I'm down to get married immediately lol. Being a bit more realistic on myself though I figure I would not meet such expectations nor the woman meet my expectations immediately, but that gives me something to work towards until conditions are met.


If it is impossible for me to ever meet her conditions or impossible for her to meet my conditions for marriage, we will never get married, but that's okay too, we'll just stay friends.
 
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iTOREtheSKY

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Hmmm..I don't think that I lead with my flaws. Perhaps I do,and am unaware. I'd say that I certainly correct people if I feel they are a bit too flattering to or of me. I have learned to say Thank You & take a compliment better & better over the years,but sometimes it's still difficult.

I think that I'm somewhat balanced with how I present myself,especially if it's towards a woman I am interested in. I certainly don't want to discourage her into not wanting to be with me,yet at the same time letting her know that I'm in no ways perfect or have arrived. I don't think I'm all that & a bag of chips for sure,but I also don't think I'm the worst she could do either,if that makes sense?
 
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Okay, well you gotta really convince me that you lead with your flaws because I don't see you do that in the Singles room to be honest. I guess I haven't been around you long enough to observe a continual practice of self-deprecation.
It seems to happen when I've started getting to know someone who is interested in an in-person relationship. My sensors go off, and I immediately start "preparing" them for what they will discover when they know me better. :rolleyes:

I'm glad to know that I've not yet done it in chat. LOL
 
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I wonder if the act of admitting that you lead with your flaws is, in itself, an example of leading with your flaws. I feel like there's a trap in here somewhere. :cool:
 

just_monicat

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I wonder if the act of admitting that you lead with your flaws is, in itself, an example of leading with your flaws. I feel like there's a trap in here somewhere. :cool:
self-awareness is never a flaw, dear gracie. : )
 
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I wonder if the act of admitting that you lead with your flaws is, in itself, an example of leading with your flaws. I feel like there's a trap in here somewhere. :cool:
Lol this made me laugh and I agree, it is a flaw of mine to dicuss that I lead with my flaws lol. However there's a way out of the trap which is to be honest about your flaws upfront lol. Quite the mental gymnastics, eh?
 

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Guilty... Ugly could back that up lol.

in my opinion it tends to happen with people who lack self confidence. I'm trying to grow out of it... Like instead of saying, "I'm so ugly!" I've tried replacing it with, "I'm so gorgeous!" But it's in process... I think sometimes too, like in my situation, I grew up in a family where flaws are pointed out 90% of the time in comparison to praise.

But it's a good starting point to recognize these flaws so that you can work on them. Most importantly, we should learn to view ourselves the way God sees us... Which is beautiful, and even in our weaknesses he finds beauty because in them, he can be strong and glorify himself.
We should learn to view ourselves the way God sees us...this is simply profound! And also shows the beauty of God inside and out from the way you have said this statement of His truth. You are gorgeous!!
 
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Honesty is the best policy which is why continual self-deprecation isn't really being honest with oneself. Yes, it's true we have our flaws, but we also have God-given characteristics that make us different from the rest. The hand cannot continually self-deprecate itself by not being the life giving source the heart is, nor can it continually dumb itself down because of how smart the brain is. The hand is also important as it acts out what the brain wants to take hold of and also moves about as the heart supplies its strength.

It's fun to look at oneself as half empty, but to make it a continual practice cannot actually be annoying to those around us. We are half empty, but we're also half full. An honest look at oneself is having a balanced view of oneself.
hey im just a dumb ugly guy. nothing more nothing less.
 
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Witness45

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do you tend to "lead" with your flaws or feel compelled to inform people what you're bad at or deficient in? if so, why do you think you do that?


have you all observed this, and/or know people who do this? what are your thoughts on it?
Let me get this straight, your putting down people that put themselves down, because they put themselves down? No wonder they do...

Look, I understand as much as anyone why many people do this. I'm an abuse victim. Now I'm not saying everyone that put themselves down does this, but I'm used to having a shame based nature. When one doesn't feel adequate enough to be with someone else, they're going to put themselves down. Instead of condemning them for it, that should be even more of a reason to help build them up. Yes it takes more work, because it takes more love. I'm not saying you should instantly take them as your spouse, I'm just saying that it is condemnation from people exactly what made them that way.

They do need to change, but complaining about it only furthers the problem.