Does Romantic Love Cure Depression, Alcoholism/Drugs, Porn/Sex (Put Your Vice Here) Addiction?

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Does Romantic Love Cure Depression, Alcoholism/Drugs, Porn/Sex, Etc. Addictions?

  • Yes. Finding the love of my life will indeed cure all these things in me, and more.

    Votes: 3 10.7%
  • No. Finding the love of my life would be great, but it wouldn't cure me.

    Votes: 14 50.0%
  • Finding love won't make a difference if a person has these issues.

    Votes: 3 10.7%
  • I know people who have gotten much better once they found love/marriage.

    Votes: 1 3.6%
  • I know people who have gotten much worse once they found love/marriage.

    Votes: 1 3.6%
  • I know people whose problems just seemed to stay the same after finding love/marriage.

    Votes: 5 17.9%
  • Improvement is up to the individual, regardless of relationship status.

    Votes: 7 25.0%
  • Some people will never get better UNLESS they find their "true love."

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • People who can't find love are simply out of luck when it comes to getting any better.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other -- I have another answer I want to share in the thread.

    Votes: 6 21.4%

  • Total voters
    28

Lynx

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Maybe at first for some yes, when the respect and the love between the two is high the two will respect each other more and possibly respect them selfs more when asked to. A loving hand can allways help an individual beat addiction and cure depression. I guess too even if not at first it can happen later in the marriage too. Some people who fall in love who dont have no depression and no addiction can end up developing the things you mentioned too there is scripture to prove it to.

The biggest problem is the bigest marriage breaker is the devil, so where a marriage may be lossed or not cure things is where the two people do not share there thoughts well enough or recognise when spiritual oppresion will be happening, Because it will happen the devil will want to destroy all marriages especially since the two people have made a vow to God that nothing will seperate us untill death do we part. Then the caring vow which is i promise to honor you for richer for poorer for sickness for health be for God who is the devils enemy. our devil is sinister and will want to prove people of God can break that promise.. Then after the marriage is broke the devil will get of scott free and somebody else will get the blame for the wrecked marriage after the devil caused the marriage to fail.

The devil will make adultery happen over and over in a persons heart and mind to untill he can pervert the marriage.

The devil will make and arouse suppicion over and over in a persons mind untill the two neglect each others trust and the bond that they have.

The devil will cause one member of the marriage to be hated over and over by a family member untill the two people become devided over the issue in the marriage.

The devil will cause famine and disease and even steal there employment untill the happiness of the security they have in the marriage is lost.

The devil will keep at it and untill bad things happen..

If the couple can come to know all the devils ways and talk about there thoughts and recognise when the devil is controling there thoughts they will have a chance.. but the sad thing is the devil plants an unusual thought and the person thinks im not sharing that. And the devil will go to work on a persons mind this way until they go crazy. the person will not recognise they are being tricked or mind controlled mentally and they go crazy.

personally i think pre warning all marriages from the church with what the devil will try to do, to all marriages would be a good idea.
There's a serpent in the garden
Whispering in our ears
Trying to keep us from walking
Down the only path that's clear
He tries his best to fool us
And fill our love with doubt
But the serpent in the garden
Doesn't know what love's about

- Greg McDougal



Mind you, I don't agree with your sentiment. I think we blame the devil for a lot of stuff that plain old human greed causes. A lot of people think they have love when all they really love is what the other person can do for them - they don't know how to love the person. But your post reminded me of the song.

And there IS some truth in it. The devil does work against you to split up a marriage. I don't think he can take all the credit though.
 

de-emerald

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#82
There's a serpent in the garden
Whispering in our ears
Trying to keep us from walking
Down the only path that's clear
He tries his best to fool us
And fill our love with doubt
But the serpent in the garden
Doesn't know what love's about

- Greg McDougal



Mind you, I don't agree with your sentiment. I think we blame the devil for a lot of stuff that plain old human greed causes. A lot of people think they have love when all they really love is what the other person can do for them - they don't know how to love the person. But your post reminded me of the song.

And there IS some truth in it. The devil does work against you to split up a marriage. I don't think he can take all the credit though.
No sorry saying i think we blame the devil for a lot of stuff is only trickery.. the devils needs to be tested for a lot of stuff he has not been tested for by us that is.. The devils needs to be tested for every single marriage that breaks up in my book and we should not defend him and possibly he is to blame for everyone that has broke up.

If we take the stance he may not be to blame he may just get of scott free again.
 

Lynx

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#83
No sorry saying i think we blame the devil for a lot of stuff is only trickery.. the devils needs to be tested for a lot of stuff he has not been tested for by us that is.. The devils needs to be tested for every single marriage that breaks up in my book and we should not defend him and possibly he is to blame for everyone that has broke up.

If we take the stance he may not be to blame he may just get of scott free again.
Well there's a Sara Groves song for that too...

To say the devil made me do it
Is a cop-out and a lie
The devil can't make me do anything
When i'm calling on Jesus Christ

- Sara Groves
"Generations"


I don't think we have to worry about the devil getting off anything though, scott or no scott.
 

EmilyNats

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#84
There are no such things as soul-mates, however, I do believe that there are people out there who are optimally compatible with each other, and perhaps even several such optimal matches.

But no, if you are a terrible person, then you will probably never be in a great relationship. It takes two people who are equally concerned and supportive of each other's well-being to have a good relationship - and that is something that narcissistic people will never be able to do (unless of course they give up those aways and turn to God).

Human love cannot change people, only the acceptance of God's love and willingness to conform to His will can do that.

And if they are "Christians" and it's not going well, it's because one of them isn't conforming too well.
 

seoulsearch

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#85
No sorry saying i think we blame the devil for a lot of stuff is only trickery.. the devils needs to be tested for a lot of stuff he has not been tested for by us that is.. The devils needs to be tested for every single marriage that breaks up in my book and we should not defend him and possibly he is to blame for everyone that has broke up.

If we take the stance he may not be to blame he may just get of scott free again.

While I understand that the Bible teaches us about spiritual warfare and tells that "Your adversary the devil walks around like a roaming lion, seeking those he might devour," (1 Peter 5:8,) we are told to be "alert and sober-minded" -- but we are NOT taught to concentrate the majority of our efforts on studying and testing the devil.

Rather, we are told to "test the spirits" (1 John 4:1) as a way of knowing who and what we are to listen to, but not because we are to make the devil or evil spirits into a scapegoat onto which we blame our own sinful choices.

If you are saying that we need to be warned about the devil's ways in order to stay on top of making our OWN decisions of whether or not to follow God, then I agree with you. But as a former pastor of mine said once, "Some people put so much emphasis on the demons and the devil that their testimony seems to be more about the devil rather than about God."

One way of testing the fruits is to see where something leads us -- if we are led to focus more on God, then we know we're on the right track. If we are led to focus on the devil, it's time for a change of direction.

I have known many people who have said that the devil was attacking them, but if you really got down to the nitty-gritty, it was more about bad choices and mismanagement rather than a demonic attack (my own life included.)

Furthermore, I can't think of a single instance in which God accepted the devil's actions as an excuse for anyone's behavior:

* If anyone could blame the devil, it would be Job -- after all, God Himself was the one who allowed the devil to attack Job and all he had. But yet when Job finally cursed the day of his birth, God responded with things such as, "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?" He even goes on to challenge Job himself, with no mention at all of the devil: "Tell me if you know so much -- answer me like a man."

Although the devil was behind Job's troubles, God didn't even bring up the devil when Job brought up all his complaints.

* Jesus warned Peter that "Satan has asked to sift you like wheat," but when Peter denied Jesus 3 times, Jesus looked at Peter in conviction, and there was no further mention of the devil's behind-the-scenes request. The devil may have attacked, but Peter was held 100% accountable for his decision.

* Adam and Eve are the very first examples of how God handles things that might have been influenced by the devil. Adam tried to blame Eve, and Eve tried to blame the serpent, but God didn't care about who supposedly caused them to sin -- what mattered to God was that THEY had made the decision to disobey, and He holds every person since then accountable for their own choices to disobey as well.

* Cain, not learning the lesson from the sins of his parents, was told by God Himself, "Sin is crouching at your door. It's desire is to have you, but you must master it." But when Cain didn't listen and gave in to sin, he was given absolutely no excuse for his actions.

* When the Pharisees asked why Moses had allowed the people to write certificates of divorce and send their wives away, Jesus didn't say, "It's because the devil was attacking your marriages, therefore you need to study his ways more carefully and put all your efforts into fighting the devil and holding him accountable," but instead, Jesus pointed the finger straight at THEM and said that the reason this happened "was because YOUR hearts were hard."

* In Paul's letters to various churches, he never says, "I'm so sorry the devil is attacking you -- surely God will understand." Nope, nope, and nope. Rather, Paul gives these congregations a good swift spiritual kick in the butt, fully placing the responsibility on their own actions.

* When the churches in Revelation are confronted, they are told that because they are neither hot nor cold, but lukewarm, Jesus is about spit them out.

In EVERY one of these cases, there is absolutely NO mention of, "Oh, I understand that the devil is attacking you, so I can see what you made the decisions you did -- what you need to do is conduct a thorough study of the devil and how he works."

Rather, we are told to put our efforts into getting closer to GOD, not giving a good chunk of our attention to the devil.

If the recipe for success was contained in studying the devil, then this is what the Bible would center itself around, but it doesn't.

Rather, the Bible is centered around God, and I have to agree with my former pastor that we are in even worse danger if we start to worry more about what the devil is up to rather than what God wants us to do.

In the last part of your post, you said that if we don't take a stance to blame the devil, he "may get off scot-free again," but I can't think of a single passage that tells us that our job as Christians is to hold the devil accountable and make sure he takes all the blame for his actions.

Even when the archangel Michael confronted the devil over Moses's body, Michael said, "The Lord rebuke you, Satan!" He did not say, "I'm going to tell God all about this, and boy are you ever going to be in trouble!!"

Holding the devil accountable and making the appropriate judgment is God's job, not ours (but if you have any passages that tell us this is what we're supposed to do, please write them out for us, because I'm not familiar with them.)

Taking on a task that was never meant to be ours is not only sing, but it misses the entire point of being a Christian.
 

seoulsearch

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May 23, 2009
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#86
Maybe at first for some yes, when the respect and the love between the two is high the two will respect each other more and possibly respect them selfs more when asked to. A loving hand can allways help an individual beat addiction and cure depression. I guess too even if not at first it can happen later in the marriage too. Some people who fall in love who dont have no depression and no addiction can end up developing the things you mentioned too there is scripture to prove it to.

The biggest problem is the bigest marriage breaker is the devil, so where a marriage may be lossed or not cure things is where the two people do not share there thoughts well enough or recognise when spiritual oppresion will be happening, Because it will happen the devil will want to destroy all marriages especially since the two people have made a vow to God that nothing will seperate us untill death do we part. Then the caring vow which is i promise to honor you for richer for poorer for sickness for health be for God who is the devils enemy. our devil is sinister and will want to prove people of God can break that promise.. Then after the marriage is broke the devil will get of scott free and somebody else will get the blame for the wrecked marriage after the devil caused the marriage to fail.

The devil will make adultery happen over and over in a persons heart and mind to untill he can pervert the marriage.

The devil will make and arouse suppicion over and over in a persons mind untill the two neglect each others trust and the bond that they have.

The devil will cause one member of the marriage to be hated over and over by a family member untill the two people become devided over the issue in the marriage.

The devil will cause famine and disease and even steal there employment untill the happiness of the security they have in the marriage is lost.

The devil will keep at it and untill bad things happen..

If the couple can come to know all the devils ways and talk about there thoughts and recognise when the devil is controling there thoughts they will have a chance.. but the sad thing is the devil plants an unusual thought and the person thinks im not sharing that. And the devil will go to work on a persons mind this way until they go crazy. the person will not recognise they are being tricked or mind controlled mentally and they go crazy.

personally i think pre warning all marriages from the church with what the devil will try to do, to all marriages would be a good idea.
If we take the stance he may not be to blame he may just get of scott free again.
To try to say that it's our job as Christians to hold the devil accountable or else he might "get off scot-free" is not only untrue, but it denies the all-knowing wisdom and almighty power of God. You are basically saying that God is powerless to know what the devil is up to unless we tell Him, and, worse yet, that God is incapable of dealing with the devil for what he does.

God already knows what the devil does -- He doesn't need or tell us that we have to to snitch out the devil every time we think he's up to something, nor does He tell us that the devil, or anyone who chooses to disobey, gets off "scot-free."

Rather, God's first judgment of the devil came very swiftly -- God kicked him of heaven and reserved a place where he would go for all eternity that is apart from God, just as Adam and Eve were forced to leave the Garden of Eden (where they had God's immediate presence) -- and although we are told that someday we will judge angels (1 Corinthians 6:3,) nowhere are we told that the angels who choose to disobey God will get away with what they've done if we don't tattle on them.

However, if you know of any passages that DO say this, please write them out here, as I have missed them and would be very interested in reading them, because it would mean that my entire understanding of the Bible was wrong, and someone didn't teach me that I am to fix my eyes on the devil rather than God.

The main point is to keep our eyes fixed on what WE do and how we can keep ourselves in line with our relationship with God, and not focus our attention on everyone (or everything) else and what they may be doing.

We are to be aware, yes.

But we aren't supposed to take on the role of judge, jury, or executioner (the one who doles out the punishment) on this earth, whether it be against another person or another being.
 

Lanolin

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The same can be said for women to lol.. ive met plenty who get shy when asked to sing. I think it is a shy thing. or a fear of aproval and confidence to
what do you mean
they dont want to sing love songs?

Maybe its the type of song. Some of them arent that easy to sing.

Though I wouldnt do it solo, I can rattle of 'My heart will go On' if pressed.
 

Lanolin

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#88
I dont think even marriage vows can save you, whether believing or unbelieving.
JESUS saves you.

In the Bible, its said its better to not make a vow, than to make one and break it. When God made a covenant with Abraham and the Isrealites, they kept on breaking it, yet God was merciful and gave them many chances. However He wasnt too happy because He kept it, but they did not. Well they couldnt because they were merely human. Only Jesus could keep it.
 

de-emerald

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#89
To try to say that it's our job as Christians to hold the devil accountable or else he might "get off scot-free" is not only untrue, but it denies the all-knowing wisdom and almighty power of God. You are basically saying that God is powerless to know what the devil is up to unless we tell Him, and, worse yet, that God is incapable of dealing with the devil for what he does.

God already knows what the devil does -- He doesn't need or tell us that we have to to snitch out the devil every time we think he's up to something, nor does He tell us that the devil, or anyone who chooses to disobey, gets off "scot-free."

Rather, God's first judgment of the devil came very swiftly -- God kicked him of heaven and reserved a place where he would go for all eternity that is apart from God, just as Adam and Eve were forced to leave the Garden of Eden (where they had God's immediate presence) -- and although we are told that someday we will judge angels (1 Corinthians 6:3,) nowhere are we told that the angels who choose to disobey God will get away with what they've done if we don't tattle on them.

However, if you know of any passages that DO say this, please write them out here, as I have missed them and would be very interested in reading them, because it would mean that my entire understanding of the Bible was wrong, and someone didn't teach me that I am to fix my eyes on the devil rather than God.

The main point is to keep our eyes fixed on what WE do and how we can keep ourselves in line with our relationship with God, and not focus our attention on everyone (or everything) else and what they may be doing.

We are to be aware, yes.

But we aren't supposed to take on the role of judge, jury, or executioner (the one who doles out the punishment) on this earth, whether it be against another person or another being.
totaly have what i said diffrent to what i meant but never mind i hope you find your soul mate.
 

Lanolin

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#90
Isn't Jesus everyones soulmate?

Just sayin.

Or spiritmate.
 

Lynx

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#91
Isn't Jesus everyones soulmate?

Just sayin.

Or spiritmate.
Depends on how much contemporary christian music you listen to. If you listen to enough you'll start believing Jesus is at least your boyfriend. :whistle::rolleyes:
 

Oncefallen

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#92
Depends on how much contemporary christian music you listen to. If you listen to enough you'll start believing Jesus is at least your boyfriend. :whistle::rolleyes:
And people wonder why the church is losing men.
 
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While a supportive partner can help it doesnt cure.
I thought that loving someone and showing the way would be enough to save someone. Failed epically twice.
In fact the first time it ended up with the guy stalking me and ending up in court. While he changed and or felt better in the relationship the servere mental illness dragged me down up to a point where i couldnt stand it anymore. All the support i gave ended up digging my own grave. While some points got better other things like obsessiveness chronified.
The second always said that love was the cure...well he had a alcohol problem that he hid behind my back and silently got worse. Also ended in a fiasco.
Supporting someone can help but if someone doesnt want to stop he or she wont.
Advice: dont think you can save anyone. Only Jesus can
And that only if that person allows it. Dont make it your mission
I was talking to someone on this forum a few years back and they told me that
God had told them He was going to move them to the state of Texas in the United States.
I am not sure but I am thinking that I was talking to you. Was that you that told me this
I am asking you?
 

Lanolin

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#94
I wonder if reading (or having) lots of books is actually a vice, and romantic love would cure it, or would reading trashy romantic books cure it, because you can just throw those trashy romantic books in the bin after you read them.....?
 

Lanolin

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#95
well according to this book, called Love and Marriage at Harpers

working in an early 20th century department store brings you happiness! If you are one of the characters who grew up in an orphanage, great things happen to you, you get promoted out of nowhere from sales girl to buyer, and the boss of the store proposes marriage! Of course, he has to make sure his first wife is dead before he marries you.
 

Lanolin

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#96
I watched A star is Born (1954 version, with Judy Garland) last night, which has been done many times. Basically story of a girls rise to stardom and her mentors fall to drinking. They marry, but this complicate matters when she rises in stardom and he goes on drinking benders, is dropped from the studio, and cant get a job because insurance wont cover him. His wife tells the judge that she will look after him instead of him going to jail on drunken behaviour charges, so the judge releases him into custody of his wife.

However she cant cope as shes working and he ends up in a sanitarium (or rehab in those days) but when he gets out he overhears her and the studio boss talking about how hes wasting his life so he decides not to be a burden and goes and kills himself (well, accidentally drown)

His wife breaks down on the set and says 'love isnt enough' and says she has NO IDEA why he destroys himself.

All this time Im wondering WHERE ARE THEIR PARENTS?
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