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seoulsearch

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The other thing I find interesting is that we often see men go on wild rants about a "loss of traditional values" and that women "don't know their place" anymore. But to me, it all depends on how the couple together defines God's roles as husband and wife.

Sometimes a man wanting to "have the authority" is actually a thinly disguised ego trip blanketed by "God's command."

I'll give you an example. I've been working since I was 11 years old. From the start, my parents had 2 unbreakable rules: whether the money was earned or a gift, first of all, you had to tithe off it. Second, you had to save a part of it. Even if I got $10 for my birthday, I had to follow those two rules.

And to this day, I still follow them. When I was 18 I was engaged to someone who was convinced that "as the man", he would have the say about finances, even though he couldn't balance a checkbook and spent everything he had in his pocket (later after we had parted ways, he ran into a bit of financial trouble, to say the least.)

Now, I'm no financial genius, but if the wife is better with keeping the bills paid, wisdom would seem to dictate that she should be allowed to work in the areas she's stronger at. A Godly man, I would think, would want to let her talents shine and put them to good use for the both of them.

However, I've found this is a very, very hard thing for men. I've had 4 long-term relationships and in each one, the man refused to believe that a woman could manage money. I'm sure that as the "head of the relationship", they felt they should be the ultimate authority, even though they had absolutely no responsibility or knowledge in that area. I put up with it when I was younger.

Today, I could never marry someone who tried to tell me, "Tithing is stupid and unnecessary--we're not going to be doing that," or "We don't have to save quite so much. I want to spend it all while we have it." It's just not how I was brought up and these are things I was taught by my very traditional parents. The guys who thought they could override my financial management then went on to future financial ruin themselves because they had no qualms about spending money like water or living on credit.

Again, I'm certainly no Warren Buffet, but masculine pride, partially under the guise of "traditional values", kept them from believing that a woman could have an inkling of knowing how to keep our ledger in the black.

I often wonder if this is why many of us are single and may be for the rest of our lives--we live a certain way and have been living it for so long, why would we WANT to change, especially if someone proposed a plan that seems downright stupid, or opposite, to the way we've been living?
 

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That´s why AGE matter... As I mentioned another place.

Statistically chances are reduced when a person gets old (I know that experience personally) and, the "happy living after" would be good to see it when I read about Booz and Ruth.

Yes! The advice is good. As this prayer shows and I liked:

Tob 8:5 For certainly, we are the children of the saints, and we must not be joined together in such a manner as the heathens, who are ignorant of God."
Tob 8:6 And so, rising up together, they both prayed earnestly, at the same time, that health might be given to them.
Tob 8:7 And Tobias said: "Lord, the God of our fathers, may the heavens and the earth bless you, and the sea, and the fountains, and the rivers, and all your creatures that are in them.
Tob 8:8 You formed Adam from the mud of the earth, and you gave Eve to him as a helper.
Tob 8:9 And now, O Lord, you know that I take my sister in conjugal union, not by reason of worldly pleasure, but solely for the love of posterity, in which your name may be blessed forever and ever."
Tob 8:10 Sarah likewise said, "Be merciful to us, O Lord, be merciful to us. And let us both grow old together in health."
It is a beautiful prayer, may I add:

17 And they said: "We bless you, Lord God of Israel, because it has not happened in the way that we thought it might.
18 For you have acted in your mercy toward us, and you have excluded from us the enemy who pursued us.
19 Moreover, you have had compassion on two only children. Make them, O Lord, able to bless you more fully and to offer you a sacrifice of your praise and of their health, so that all peoples everywhere may know that you alone are God in all the earth."


...it needed the older of the Books I have /the new are shorter/
 

seoulsearch

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Mitspa, are you referring to a woman outlined in that submission thread from the family forum by SirsSubmissiveWife?
I know my beloved sisters in Christ here are going to holler at me :), but honestly the only reason I haven't posted in that thread is because, if you take out the "calling him Master" part, the original post honestly describes my own parents.

They have a lot of shirts about the same color and my Mom doesn't care about fashion, so my Dad might pick out their "color scheme" for the day. She'll read her morning Bible study and then make them breakfast (she prepares all the meals) and does all the laundry, ironing, and cleaning. She lets him have the final say in all the major decisions and when we're making a family decision, she'll always say, "Let's see what Dad has to say first," or, "Your father will make the final decision."

HOWEVER, as one of their friends at church once said, "Your parents work together like a right and left hand," which is very accurate. They think so much alike that it's often not even a matter of "submission"--my Dad is making decisions my Mom feels the same way about anyway. They each know what the other is better at and allow the stronger person to do what they do best. And, he's always been a provider as well as making plans and precautions for her if anything should ever happen for him. He takes the role of being responsible for a household to the heart, even after death.

They also respect each others' opinions and decide things together accordingly. I wrote about this in another thread, but they recently made a major decision in which Dad wanted 1 and Mom wanted 10. Their final decision was around an 8--in other words, it was closer to what my Mom wanted.

And, all the women in my family, even though they've been stay-at-home moms, are far from docile and robotic. I was on the phone once with them while my Dad was in the hospital and he jokingly said he'd need my Mom to "wait on him hand and foot."

I could hear my Mom's voice cut through the background, "Oh, he'll get a FOOT, all right!!"

She may be a submissive, traditional wife... But she sure does have a few zingers now and then :D which is something I adore about her. Likewise, my Dad highly values the women in our family and has always encouraged me to seek out opportunities that are traditionally male-dominated because he has that much belief in me.

I'm thankful to have "traditional" parents... who also know how to give a woman a voice and encourage her abilities--"traditional", or not.
 
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I think it is so adorable when I see older couples that match in wearing the same color. I asked a couple people if they planned on doing it and they just told me it just happened out of the blue.
 
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Why not actually look for a woman who is from the previous generation? :)

After all, men always seem to want to do this in reverse... They want someone 30 with the values of a 65-year-old.

They never once consider looking for a 65-year-old themselves. :)
I would not marry an older woman since I know nothing of "intensive care" and I lacked almost anyone liked when they were young but, I have seen some of them are healthy and lovable...

I don´t agree with marrying the PREVIOUS generation (although they, physically, drove me crazy...) :p

Would you belive an OLD man? Look at these, "traditionally" said:

Was this said by Benjamin Franklin?

Benjamin Franklin, Advice to a Young Man on the Choice of a Mistress (1745)

Quoting from an online article:

"A few months ago a study came out that broke the hearts of women everywhere. Researched and compiled by the fine people at OKCupid, it revealed that when it comes to what men really want in a woman, it's youth. Do you remember that study? You know, the one that basically said that if you're a woman over 22, you should just give up and crawl under a rock somewhere? I'm sure you do, as much as you tried to forget it.Along with sharing that depressing news it also shared this painful line: "Once a woman passes the age of 22, she becomes exponentially less attractive to men." Oh, how lovely. And while that still may be true for some men whose fear of ageing keeps them grappling like a rabid vampire for a woman young enough to be their daughter or granddaughter, another study has come out revealing otherwise. Yes, ladies, there is hope for all of you over 22 after all. Can I get a collective high-five?
A new study of over 450,00 online daters by EliteSingles has found that men between the ages of 20 and 29 prefer to date older women. Although the study did find that, yes, men do want younger women, the average most desirable age gap was up to 11 years younger than themselves. Even men in their 60s were sticking to this 11 year difference, as opposed to shooting for a 40-year difference. Are men maturing and getting their heads out of the clouds for 2015?
But back to 20-something men wanting older women…
According to psychologist, Sam Owen, the reason for this interest in older women from younger guys probably has a lot to do with how society is changing.
"[It's] likely indicative of the change in gender roles in modern society towards more equality between the sexes," says Owen. "Young men nowadays probably also recognize that older women are adept at diligently juggling so many responsibilities (career, children, housekeeping, fitness, finances, socializing), which makes them intriguing and attractive and a more secure option."
However, contrary to what these younger lads may be craving, the study showed that women prefer to be the younger of the two in the relationship, with women 50 and over hoping to ideally find someone six years older than themselves. Younger women, too, prefer men older by up to 10 years, and while women will go younger, it's by no more than three years, because honestly, dudes aren't so great with the whole maturity thing.
Here's EliteSingles' entire infographic on the research. Do you fit in there anywhere?"

(Young Men Really Do Want Older Women, New Study Says)

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It is a beautiful prayer, may I add:

17 And they said: "We bless you, Lord God of Israel, because it has not happened in the way that we thought it might.
18 For you have acted in your mercy toward us, and you have excluded from us the enemy who pursued us.
19 Moreover, you have had compassion on two only children. Make them, O Lord, able to bless you more fully and to offer you a sacrifice of your praise and of their health, so that all peoples everywhere may know that you alone are God in all the earth."


...it needed the older of the Books I have /the new are shorter/
I love that prayer!

There are too many things "hidden" in that book I have ignored.

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The other thing I find interesting is that we often see men go on wild rants about a "loss of traditional values" and that women "don't know their place" anymore. But to me, it all depends on how the couple together defines God's roles as husband and wife.

Sometimes a man wanting to "have the authority" is actually a thinly disguised ego trip blanketed by "God's command."

I'll give you an example. I've been working since I was 11 years old. From the start, my parents had 2 unbreakable rules: whether the money was earned or a gift, first of all, you had to tithe off it. Second, you had to save a part of it. Even if I got $10 for my birthday, I had to follow those two rules.

And to this day, I still follow them. When I was 18 I was engaged to someone who was convinced that "as the man", he would have the say about finances, even though he couldn't balance a checkbook and spent everything he had in his pocket (later after we had parted ways, he ran into a bit of financial trouble, to say the least.)

Now, I'm no financial genius, but if the wife is better with keeping the bills paid, wisdom would seem to dictate that she should be allowed to work in the areas she's stronger at. A Godly man, I would think, would want to let her talents shine and put them to good use for the both of them.

However, I've found this is a very, very hard thing for men. I've had 4 long-term relationships and in each one, the man refused to believe that a woman could manage money. I'm sure that as the "head of the relationship", they felt they should be the ultimate authority, even though they had absolutely no responsibility or knowledge in that area. I put up with it when I was younger.

Today, I could never marry someone who tried to tell me, "Tithing is stupid and unnecessary--we're not going to be doing that," or "We don't have to save quite so much. I want to spend it all while we have it." It's just not how I was brought up and these are things I was taught by my very traditional parents. The guys who thought they could override my financial management then went on to future financial ruin themselves because they had no qualms about spending money like water or living on credit.

Again, I'm certainly no Warren Buffet, but masculine pride, partially under the guise of "traditional values", kept them from believing that a woman could have an inkling of knowing how to keep our ledger in the black.

I often wonder if this is why many of us are single and may be for the rest of our lives--we live a certain way and have been living it for so long, why would we WANT to change, especially if someone proposed a plan that seems downright stupid, or opposite, to the way we've been living?
I know my beloved sisters in Christ here are going to holler at me :), but honestly the only reason I haven't posted in that thread is because, if you take out the "calling him Master" part, the original post honestly describes my own parents.

They have a lot of shirts about the same color and my Mom doesn't care about fashion, so my Dad might pick out their "color scheme" for the day. She'll read her morning Bible study and then make them breakfast (she prepares all the meals) and does all the laundry, ironing, and cleaning. She lets him have the final say in all the major decisions and when we're making a family decision, she'll always say, "Let's see what Dad has to say first," or, "Your father will make the final decision."

HOWEVER, as one of their friends at church once said, "Your parents work together like a right and left hand," which is very accurate. They think so much alike that it's often not even a matter of "submission"--my Dad is making decisions my Mom feels the same way about anyway. They each know what the other is better at and allow the stronger person to do what they do best. And, he's always been a provider as well as making plans and precautions for her if anything should ever happen for him. He takes the role of being responsible for a household to the heart, even after death.

They also respect each others' opinions and decide things together accordingly. I wrote about this in another thread, but they recently made a major decision in which Dad wanted 1 and Mom wanted 10. Their final decision was around an 8--in other words, it was closer to what my Mom wanted.

And, all the women in my family, even though they've been stay-at-home moms, are far from docile and robotic. I was on the phone once with them while my Dad was in the hospital and he jokingly said he'd need my Mom to "wait on him hand and foot."

I could hear my Mom's voice cut through the background, "Oh, he'll get a FOOT, all right!!"

She may be a submissive, traditional wife... But she sure does have a few zingers now and then :D which is something I adore about her. Likewise, my Dad highly values the women in our family and has always encouraged me to seek out opportunities that are traditionally male-dominated because he has that much belief in me.

I'm thankful to have "traditional" parents... who also know how to give a woman a voice and encourage her abilities--"traditional", or not.
Well said and high five again, i just could say all this any better, but only to agree being married to a type A banker and guess who pays bills and stuffs. Lol

So yes equal partnership with willingness to give and listen is alk apart of a couple walking in a married life. And if i didn't have humor I'd be miserable. Lol

Note: I added to my wedding vows, I'll iron but I win't like it.
He added, I'll fish but not on your birthday

It's fun.
 

seoulsearch

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I agree that Hugh and his wife are an adorable couple. I've seen some interviews with him and he always speaks very highly of her. Kudos to them!!!

But is it just me, or does anyone else here see the irony of a thread concerned with "Looking for a Traditional Wife"... and an article entitled, "Advice to a Young Man On the Choice of a Mistress"?! :rolleyes:
 

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Some times things are changing and it happens one to care after the other. My friends mum had problem with her legs for few months and needed permanent care, the man of my JP had both of his arms broken and was not able to eat and even do his toilet ... The marriage is not only money, tv, ironing and popcorn. It is a journey - you do not know what will face you but whatever it would be both must be able to go over it and to be able to enjoy of every minute of the funny part of the world /as long as it exists/ The Bible says we- women must obey of our men. I know if the man is that one - who will care and love woman on the way Christ loves the church -who will mind to obey! I won`t! It would be even easier to woman because the power means also responsibility and he will take it.
anyway - every case is different. I know my man would not be complete without intellectual sharing /not only/ -.. and me also
 
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Mitspa

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Quote...In my idea of the traditional relationship, the husband would have the responsibility (to provide) and the authority to decide these important issues.


Before I say too much which important issues do you want the authority to decide? And why wouldnt you want to decide things along with your spouse.Women can give very good advice you know :)
Well I think the head of the house , should be the head of the house...I can quote a lot of scripture to make my point but that only seems to hinder the discussion :p
 
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Mitspa

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Are you the type of an who believes the bible and loves his wife sacrificially first (as Christ loved the church), or are you the type of man who is looking to have his ego stroked and be called master?

Biblical traditional roles have two sets of responsibilities, and as Ol Frankie used to sing: "You can't have one without the other".
No just the kind of guy that believes the bible...first in my own obedience to which I am confident I have right to speak as an obedient son :)
 
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Mitspa

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It's honestly weird to me that so many men seem to think "traditional" women are so hard to find, unless a stay-at-home woman is what they're looking for. I don't see the women here or in my peer group as somehow being "modernly fanatical" as opposed to traditional.

But most women today prefer or have to have jobs outside the home, so I'm not sure if that's what men see as "nontraditional."

I would also guess that many men are "unable" to host a "traditional" household in regard to finances. If a man wants a stay-at-home wife, great. That's totally up to the couple. However, he's got a lot on his shoulders as far as providing for them and an entire household.

He also needs to think about such things such as, if something happens to him, how is his wife and family going to survive? Especially if she has no means of support herself without him. What is he going to do to make sure his wife and kids can go on?

I know this has always been an especially big concern in my own family.

As I've mentioned throughout the forum, I've had the problem of much-older men hitting on me my entire life, and one of the reasons is because they're looking for a "traditional" wife. However, their idea of traditional is dependent, obedient, subservient, and a nice trophy on their arm who will impress their friends. In other words, their main concern is themselves and that they have someone to look after them, and who cares what happens to her (and/or their kids) after they die--that's her problem.

I was raised in a "traditional" family. My biggest question for a man looking for a "traditional" wife would be his motivation. It also depends on his idea of "authority."

When you have multitudes of women who have worked for years and supported themselves or families, it's very unrealistic to expect to put yourself over someone and suddenly say, "Now you can do this, and you can't do that."

A few women might be relieved. But if someone is used to making all those decisions... I believe there is still such a thing as Godly-sanctioned compromise as opposed to a supposedly Godly-established dictatorship.
I agree with this post...and don't believe I would ever want to take from a relationship a godly lady had established with the Lord...If they hear and know God...I would never want to come in between that ...in fact I would look for that in a potential wife.... The Lord is still the Lord, but He still has a system of working through the "godly" husband as the head of the family.
 

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I am not traditional, but I make the meals, do the laundry and do the bills! Oops! I guess that is supposed to be masculine?? My mom had worked in an office the first part of their marriage, and she handled all the money, despite being stay at home and a very traditional marriage.

So I thought women were supposed to handle the money! I have always worked, at least part time, until I became disabled, and then on disability. So I contributed my share of income.

Hubby fixes things, works on cars. Something I have no skill or ability at. Lucky I found him!

I believe that people who are Christians need to be submissive to one another. Like Eph. 5:21 says. The household codes that Paul and Peter work, don't necessarily work for today. But if they do work, then people should keep them.

As for me, I will keep on pursuing higher knowledge, being active in church at activities that are not necessarily "women's" activities. You will never find me in the kitchen at church - even before I became disabled. I would rather preach and teach.

I am happily married, but I do not think that traditional roles worked for us. We spent a lot of time fighting in our early years over roles, and when we decided to drop those unbiblical ideas, we were much happier together and in our marriage. But I do admit, we do seem to do the traditional things around the home, but in my day, that is how we were raised!

As for young people, I see my children and their spouses handling things pretty equally. If one has to work late, the other cooks. Both help around the home. Child care is a shared duty. The wives pursue careers, including my DIL who is a doctor. Sadly, if the church is going to reach young, couples like this, they should not be imposing a 1950's type role model, when the way they are living and working today works for them. I would positively hate if my kids decided to go to church one Sunday morning, and they got a lecture on traditional roles. They would never come back! But they might stay, if they actually heard the saving gospel of Jesus Christ. And that is a more important issue than who does what in the home ever was. (Or who is the Master!! That thread just shook me to death in the Family Forum!)
 
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Mitspa

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Mitspa, are you referring to a woman outlined in that submission thread from the family forum by SirsSubmissiveWife?
lol...I must admit that thread kinda inspired this one...when I seen how outraged some of the generally very kind ladies on this forum, went into attack mode.... so I thought I might gain some understanding as to why this issue stirs up these normally mild and kind women :)
 
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lol...I must admit that thread kinda inspired this one...when I seen how outraged some of the generally very kind ladies on this forum, went into attack mode.... so I thought I might gain some understanding as to why this issue stirs up these normally mild and kind women :)
I DID NOT!!!!!!

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Mitspa

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I am not traditional, but I make the meals, do the laundry and do the bills! Oops! I guess that is supposed to be masculine?? My mom had worked in an office the first part of their marriage, and she handled all the money, despite being stay at home and a very traditional marriage.

So I thought women were supposed to handle the money! I have always worked, at least part time, until I became disabled, and then on disability. So I contributed my share of income.

Hubby fixes things, works on cars. Something I have no skill or ability at. Lucky I found him!

I believe that people who are Christians need to be submissive to one another. Like Eph. 5:21 says. The household codes that Paul and Peter work, don't necessarily work for today. But if they do work, then people should keep them.

As for me, I will keep on pursuing higher knowledge, being active in church at activities that are not necessarily "women's" activities. You will never find me in the kitchen at church - even before I became disabled. I would rather preach and teach.

I am happily married, but I do not think that traditional roles worked for us. We spent a lot of time fighting in our early years over roles, and when we decided to drop those unbiblical ideas, we were much happier together and in our marriage. But I do admit, we do seem to do the traditional things around the home, but in my day, that is how we were raised!

As for young people, I see my children and their spouses handling things pretty equally. If one has to work late, the other cooks. Both help around the home. Child care is a shared duty. The wives pursue careers, including my DIL who is a doctor. Sadly, if the church is going to reach young, couples like this, they should not be imposing a 1950's type role model, when the way they are living and working today works for them. I would positively hate if my kids decided to go to church one Sunday morning, and they got a lecture on traditional roles. They would never come back! But they might stay, if they actually heard the saving gospel of Jesus Christ. And that is a more important issue than who does what in the home ever was. (Or who is the Master!! That thread just shook me to death in the Family Forum!)
You guys know I have upheld your calling when others on this forum have not...I likewise see a godly wife as representing the spiritual head of the family, when the husband is unable or unwilling. But there are real men of God and a real man of God is not going to yield to some of the modern thought that has been brought into our culture.
 
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You guys know I have upheld your calling when others on this forum have not...I likewise see a godly wife as representing the spiritual head of the family, when the husband is unable or unwilling. But there are real men of God and a real man of God is not going to yield to some of the modern thought that has been brought into our culture.
Im gonna seriously matchmake for you.....account number, pen, and mom's maden name.
 
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Im gonna seriously matchmake for you.....account number, pen, and mom's maden name.
I have it all invested in toys :) She will have to learn to ride to get her part :)
 
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Rosesrock

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I have it all invested in toys :) She will have to learn to ride to get her part :)
Wait wait, you said traditional......dont get picky, that's extra
 
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