Should Women Just Accept That Their Future Husband Will Probably Watch Porn?

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seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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Just wanted to say thanks to those who've said that this is something women shouldn't have to settle for, especially the guys here who've said that no one should have to settle for this.

I appreciate all the thoughts, because it's a stark contrast from what I've had others tell me over the years (not that I pay too much attention to others when making my own decisions anyway :p), but it's really encouraging to see that some people think differently.
 

CatHerder

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My short answer is "NO!"

My long answer is funny and inappropriate, and will get me banned.
 

seoulsearch

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My short answer is "NO!"

My long answer is funny and inappropriate, and will get me banned.
Everyone who meets Catherder in person will soon find out that his inappropriate answers are always his best answers.
 
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i have a long answer too, but mine's not as long as catherders..
 

PennEd

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Hey Everyone,

With all the threads we see here about problems with pornography, I have been seriously wondering how, as singles, we should react or respond to the fact that so many of our brothers (and sometimes sisters) in Christ struggle with this problem.

First of all, I'm not shaming anyone who struggles with this at all. We all have our own struggles and I admire anyone who is aware of their sins and chooses to engage in an active fight against their sinful nature. I have plenty of weaknesses to fight against myself.

But I'm also wondering what my prayers should be: "God, please send me a husband who isn't addicted to porn," or, "God, please make me strong enough to help him through the fight." I honestly used to pray the first prayer. But as time goes on, the second prayer seems like the only realistic thing to pray. Is this true?

Some men (and women) I've talked to have told me I just have to accept that "boys will be boys" and it's just a part of life you have to deal with (and, as is implied, accept.) Men tell me my expectations are way too high and that I'll never find anyone if I somehow expect them not to watch porn.

I can honestly say that one of the reasons I haven't had a boyfriend in so long (about 12 years) is because I'd rather choose to support a guy who's having this kind of fight as his friend rather than his girlfriend, seeing as I've already been there, done that, and wasn't handling it very well at all.

From the ages of 17-29 I was in 4 long-term relationships. Of the 4, one wasn't really into porn at all. He'd seen some things but didn't choose to continue watching them. Another had a "recreational" porn habit. He would occasionally look at this or that but it wasn't all the time, and he would often choose other things that interested him, such as sports or video games, instead. Another was definitely a "regular", seeing as, if you tried to turn on his TV, he'd have it queued up to a "movie" he'd been watching. And the other was a "semi-regular", meaning, at times I'd catch him watching things on his computer. One time he was printing out an entire stack of pictures... and apparently making his own "collection."

I remember very well how this made me feel and how I reacted to it. One had had a preference for "Asian porn", (I didn't know this until after we started dating), and it made me feel like a curiosity object--especially when he told me he would look at these things with his brother (talk about uncomfortable.) The other had a preference for a different ethnicity that I am not a part of, and of course, it all had the same effect: I felt... all wrong, inadequate, and like some sort of really lousy stand-in substitute for a fantasy they would certainly have much rather preferred.

All but one considered themselves to be Christans and all 4 (even the non-Christian) were fine with trying to adhere to a life of celibacy before marriage. (Ironically, the one who talked about sex the least was the one who didn't consider himself a Christian.)

This has just been my own personal experience when dating Christian men. I know they're human, and I know they struggle. I also know that some women struggle with this just as much as men. But I also wonder to myself, How much fallout should the significant others of those who watch porn be expected to take?

One of the effects this had on me was that it made my depression 10 times worse. At the time, I was experimenting with various measures of self-harm because I felt so inadequate. I also felt extremely bitter and hateful that they would choose to continue to do this, without even caring (or noticing) that I was hurting myself.

But in the time I've been away from all those kinds of conflicts, I've slowly gotten much better over the years (all the old self-injurious behaviors ceased many years ago, thanks to God's help and a very special friend who really listened to all my heartache.) I've learned how to listen to and be supportive guy friends who struggle with compulsive sexual behaviors... but I don't choose to date them, knowing it would probably send me into the same downward spiral that's been so much work to get away from.

I can honestly say that one of the reasons I've steadily been healed of many things over the years is because I'm not regularly dealing with being in a relationship with someone who is constantly choosing to mentally have sex with other women, (which, in 2 cases, led to them having physical sex with other women as well.) Sometimes over the years, I have been tempted to just throw in the towel and agree to dating someone who is a wonderful friend, but also struggling with this issue. But so far I've held back, because I often wonder what going back to such a situation would do to my emotional state. I can't say I want to find out. And, at least this way, I can still be a caring, supportive friend to him.

If I became his girlfriend, I would start to resent him, because in a relationship, this habit would make me feel like a sub-worthy play thing.

But on the other hand, it also seems to point to a life of always being alone. And, it doesn't leave much hope for anyone one either side of the issue. People struggling with this will think, "Oh no, I won't ever find anyone, because I can't see being free from this," while people who aren't struggling with this will think, "Why should I have to settle?"

Should we all just accept that porn is a regular part of many people's lives (especially men), and somehow accept that as "fact"? (Meaning, should we get to a point where we don't see it as "any big deal" and should "accept" or "expect" that we are going to find ourselves dealing with this kind of struggle through our relationships?)

After all, if we all wait for a partner who is healed of this, we might very well be waiting forever or could possibly miss out one someone we could grow closer to as we choose to fight this together. But should it always be expected that the partner without the porn issue should always be expected and required to constantly forgive, or even overlook, the continuous behaviors of the other who is still watching porn?

Where are the lines between setting a standard (allowing a relationship even if there's a struggle with porn going on), acceptance ("I don't want that in my relationship at all!", or "We are going to fight this together,"), and expectation ("Most like, I'm going to wind up with someone who watches porn so I better learn to accept it")?

As singles, what should our prayers be at night?

1. "Lord, please send me someone who loves just me, and doesn't need to look at other men/women for satisfaction."

2. "Lord, there are a lot of people out there struggling with pornography. If it's Your will for me to marry someone while they're still going through this, and might possibly never be healed, please make me strong enough to do so."

I would love to hear your thoughts.
I am so sorry you have had these experiences. I can tell you that porn was a HUGE problem with me, and it it almost destroyed me and my marriage. BUT can't even fathom going back to it now, and I praise and thank the Lord He has worked in my heart to become dead to this sin and that my wonderful wife has forgiven me.

We should never accept someone's sin. If you were a chronic gossiper that regularly tore people down with your words, should I just say "oh well, most women gossip so it's ok" No I may still love you and support you and stay with you, but I would never simply accept the fact that you were a terrible gossiper.

You are a beautiful child of God, and any man would be blessed to have you. Don't give up on finding a Godly man, whom may struggle with a variety of sins. Peace and Grace to you!
 
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How funny, I was going to come back and write something similar to what PennEd is writing about.

Perhaps it won't be porn. Maybe it'll be a struggle with some other sin, but there will be struggle with sin for EACH individual. I think we have to consider that. There are certain sins that I have some experience in dealing with in my life, there are some sins with which I still struggle. My husband should/will - I hope - see places that I am struggling and encourage me in the faith, and I him. Part of the thing with marriage is being each other's accountability partner - not saying that I won't keep my accountability partner, or that he won't have one outside of me, but a marriage partner is... or should be the most intimate relationship in a person's life.

This is an area that really needs to be fostered in marriage, intimacy OUTSIDE of the bedroom. Having heart and head related intimacy is imperative, as well as physical/sexual intimacy.

Maybe it's time for a second thread about Marriage Skills.
 

levi85

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If you give the devil a feet, he will take away all your house.
 
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LiJo

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No....that's not acceptable!!
 
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ToBeWithHim

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If i am a woman. Maybe yes for a while, but he needs to have a plan to give up porn eventually, and actually have to stick with the plan. To me, porn is a drug addiction, its impossible to get rid of porn overnight. Otherwise, it is unacceptable.
 

Desdichado

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I just want to say that the Church hyper-focuses on porn addiction. Is it a big problem? Of course. Are many men shackled by it? Yes.

But seriously, there are worse issues a man could have that would constitute a "deal-breaker."
 
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I just want to say that the Church hyper-focuses on porn addiction. Is it a big problem? Of course. Are many men shackled by it? Yes.

But seriously, there are worse issues a man could have that would constitute a "deal-breaker."
Interesting, like what? I'm curious.

I thought pornography leads to adultery? :[
 
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Siberian_Khatru

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I thought pornography leads to adultery? :[
It is adultery in the proverbial sense (Matthew 5:27-28).

Does it lead to the physical act of it? It can.
 
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Siberian_Khatru

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I thought guys are visusal simulated. Does this lead to something?
That's pretty subjective, but probably not unfair to say most guys are "visual creatures." I think if porn drives someone further to commit adultery, the seed was already there. The medium just nurtured it. The nature of sin was there long before pornography.

It's like saying violence in media makes kids violent: subjective.
 
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That's pretty subjective, but probably not unfair to say most guys are "visual creatures." I think if porn drives someone further to commit adultery, the seed was already there. The medium just nurtured it. The nature of sin was there long before pornography.

It's like saying violence in media makes kids violent: subjective.
Yah, good point.
 
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Lena79

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What?!?!?! *sigh*
I Corinthians 6:19 Or know ye not that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own;
 
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What?!?!?! *sigh*
I Corinthians 6:19 Or know ye not that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own;
Yah, true.
 
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so men are portrayed as perverts again. Its like there is a misconception in the society today. the misconception is that women are the loving, romantic, cuddle-loving and caring gender whilst men are just about the sex. this is wrong, some women are all about sex and they don't have time for any romance, cuddling or love. on the other hand, there are men who are loving, romantic, cuddle-loving and caring. your post appears to suggest that men are all about sex but this is wrong. FYI i once found porn videos in phones of some girls at a christian convention . so you girls also like sex as much as men, fronting aside.
women cant eat their cake and have it, women on one hand want to marry that faithful man that will love them, care for them and be romantic with them but on the other hand women believe that all men are perverts. if you believe that all men are perverts then how can you also belive that there is a faithful man out there for you. but that faithful man of yours exists and this implies that not all men watch porn. the saying "boys will be boys" is disrespectful to men. what of those female pornstars and female strippers? how will you feel if men came up with saying "girls will be girls" just because some women are strippers and pornstars?
if your partner watches porn then your partner is not a true christian.
no one should open a new tab and go to porn site after reading this post. if you want to watch sex get yourself a wife or husband and stay faithful. carry the temple of the holy spirit in a dignified way.
 

seoulsearch

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Godson,

I could be mistaken, but from reading your post I am guessing you did not read the entire original post. No one is accusing all men of being perverts

Reading through the original post will be very helpful in understanding the context. I apologize if you've already read the first post, but people often answer threads simply by just reading the title.

I almost always write my threads in a way that requires taking both the title and at least the original post into consideration before making a meaningful, on-topic answer.
 
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StarryEyes

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It is best to go straight to the bible regarding this. There are many scriptures that state the importance of husbands and wives to remain pure and holy for one another ALL THE DAYS OF THEIR LIVES.

Proverbs 20:6-7 "6. Many a man claims to have unfailing love, but a faithful man who can find? 7. The righteous man leads a blameless life; blessed are his children after him."

Hebrews 13:4-7 "4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. 5 Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you." 6 So we say with confidence, "The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?" 7 Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith."

These are just a few, but there are so many more. There are men and women out there who chose to avoid and stay away from sinful art, music, porn, movies, or anything else that is immoral. They want to please the Lord and stay faithfull to their future spouse before, during and all throughout their lives and marriage.

I will never give up on this, and I will never allow such awful things to be considered as "ok".
 
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