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AOK also in reference to the mentioned blog, the blogger presents himself as if he comes from a Christian perspective. Yet in his about section he uses only one adjective to describe his wife. That being "sexy".


https://dalrock.wordpress.com/about/

He has a lot of room to describe his wife, and a vast supply of adjectives in the English language to use, yet he only chose one adjective, and not much space to describe a major person in his life. He could have used his one adjective to call her Godly, or smart, or loving, but instead he uses a rather crude word...sexy.

Does the use of this crude word to describe a rather significant and important woman in his life reflect his attitude about women, and maybe give us insight into an unhealthy view of women that is driving his assertions and conclusions? If his assertions and conclusions are originating from such a dark starting point, can his assertions and conclusions be trusted? Especially in a blog geared toward many assertions and conclusions on women?
Thank you for addressing this. I stumbled upon Darlock's blog a couple of years ago, and I found his attitude quite disturbing. It's been a long time since I stumbled across his blog. However, one thing that shocked me at the time was the sort of crude and vulgar comments that this guy allowed on his supposedly Christian blog.

The comment section can also give some idea about what this guy promotes, entertains and encourages.
 
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In my understanding, he's a married economist who's concerned about the problem of marriage decline in the West enough to blog about it. That's all. Due to the popularity of his blog, it is now considered part of the manosphere.

He himself is not an empirical source nor does he produce scholarly studies on this topic. He does reference those; however, in support of his own arguments.

The reason why I quoted a couple of his blog articles was because, in my opinion, he pointed out a couple of issues involved with the growing problem of marriagelessness in the West which were relevant to the people I was replying to in this thread.

One would be with respect to courtship and how much longer and riskier it is today for men than it was just decades ago. The other dealt with the transition from a traditional paternal family model to what we have today and how that is affecting young men's decision-making (in his opinion).

While I certainly don't agree with everything he stated or the way in which he stated it or the comments people visiting his blog make; in my opinion, he did catch the nail with his hammer on those two points somewhat and why I shared them.

I forget at times that people don't always know what a scholarly study or empirical data set is and who produces them (e.g. government, academia, reputable private policy and research organizations, etc...).

My familiarity with who they are is so second nature now to me that I forget most other people don't automatically know who they are.

You were right to ask. Dalrock is but a concerned blogger whose specialty is economics. That's all. Peace.


Hi AOK, I was skimming through your sources you use to establish your premises and conclusions.
The link above links to this blog.
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2013/11/15/why-men-are-withdrawing-from-courtship/

I was wondering the blogger's qualifications as far as being a qualified expert in his field, so as to know the firmness of one of the foundations you use to establish your premises and conclusions.

I went to the about page of said blog and it says...
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/about/



I don't see any academic credentials listed. Is there anything that makes this guy credible other than his ability to post links from content then comment on said articles? Are you aware of his credentials?

Just asking because you reference him often as a source to validate your premises, assertions and conclusions.
 
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The U.S. Census Bureau survey shows that since 1970, the median age for women to get married has continued to increase. Consider that 30 years ago, nearly 95 percent of women under 31 were married. Now look at the graphs the Census Bureau, Pew Research, etc... are releasing. Wow!
Your argument has largely been focused on men choosing not to marry because it's a bad deal for them, which leaves hordes of feminist women longing for marriage and unable to find any man willing to marry them, but this data you've listed above shows that women, also, are uninterested in marriage these days. This isn't a "male" trend. It's a generational trend that both men and women are falling into.

Marriage stats are down because both men and women are choosing not to marry. Marriage is down because our culture accepts and embraces "living together" or "casual sex" as an alternative to marriage. Marriage is down because women are supporting themselves now more than ever, giving them more choice in the matter of marrying.

Believe it or not, there is a shocking number of women out there who are raising their children by themselves, often with no support at all from the father, because their husbands have left them for other women. Studying who files for divorce is absolutely useless because an incredible number of women are forced to file for divorce after being abandoned or cheated on, simply to protect and care for their children. I don't know what state you live in, but where I live alimony is completely non-existent unless one spouse is physically unable to work, and often not even then. It's a non-issue. Joint property is split 50/50. Previously owned property goes with it's original owner. Child support is an across-the-board percentage of the non-custodial parent's earnings, and more and more fathers are equally sharing custody or winning it over entirely. Non. Issue.

I understand that you've probably been burned by some terrible experience. I have too. And I could go on and on about it, but I know that not all men are like that, so I choose not to insult or hurt the many many good men here who aren't.
 

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Your argument has largely been focused on men choosing not to marry because it's a bad deal for them, which leaves hordes of feminist women longing for marriage and unable to find any man willing to marry them, but this data you've listed above shows that women, also, are uninterested in marriage these days. This isn't a "male" trend. It's a generational trend that both men and women are falling into.

Marriage stats are down because both men and women are choosing not to marry. Marriage is down because our culture accepts and embraces "living together" or "casual sex" as an alternative to marriage. Marriage is down because women are supporting themselves now more than ever, giving them more choice in the matter of marrying.

Believe it or not, there is a shocking number of women out there who are raising their children by themselves, often with no support at all from the father, because their husbands have left them for other women. Studying who files for divorce is absolutely useless because an incredible number of women are forced to file for divorce after being abandoned or cheated on, simply to protect and care for their children. I don't know what state you live in, but where I live alimony is completely non-existent unless one spouse is physically unable to work, and often not even then. It's a non-issue. Joint property is split 50/50. Previously owned property goes with it's original owner. Child support is an across-the-board percentage of the non-custodial parent's earnings, and more and more fathers are equally sharing custody or winning it over entirely. Non. Issue.

I understand that you've probably been burned by some terrible experience. I have too. And I could go on and on about it, but I know that not all men are like that, so I choose not to insult or hurt the many many good men here who aren't.
I did a post about that on a similar thread. I'm basically going to cut and paste because I think it's relevant, and it gives some valuable stats. So much of what's been publicized is propaganda and hate speech rather than FACT.

The average mother isn't getting a divorce or avoiding marriage because she has a "high probability" of getting child support and alimony.

Some women (not the vast majority) may divorce with the hope that they will be able to get primary custody with child support and/or alimony. However, that's not the case for thousands to millions of single mothers. According to the US Census Bureau, there is a strong link between single motherhood and poverty. Children in father-absent homes are almost four times more likely to be poor. http://www.fatherhood.org/bid/190202...f-b0231e2400b3

"The number of Americans in poverty remained largely unchanged at a record 46.5 million. Single-mother families in poverty increased for the fourth straight year to 4.1 million, or 41.5 percent, coinciding with longer-term trends of declining marriage and out-of-wedlock births." 4.1 Million Single-Mother Families Are Living In Poverty: Census

"1 in 3 American women live at or near the brink of poverty. That's 42 million women and 28 million children who depend on them. [They a just a] medical illness , a missed paycheck, a broken-down car away from economic ruin."
The Shriver Report: Female Poverty in America - Video on NBCNews.com

When a dad doesn't financially support a child or children being raised by a single mother living below poverty level, taxpayers have to take up the slack, and the children have to go on public assistance.

These mothers and children aren't getting rich or living in the lap of luxury on public assistance and/or child support. Many states like Illinois have a Welfare Law Formula. "In Illinois, the state gives no more than $50 of a father's monthly child support payment to a mother who's receiving Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, or welfare benefits. The rest of the father's payment goes to the state to pay back what it has paid out in public aid."
Changing how much child support goes to women on welfare - Chicago Tribune

The average mother isn't getting a divorce or avoiding marriage because they have a "high probability" of getting child support. If the probability of getting child support was so high, there wouldn't be millions of single mothers and children living below poverty level. Are there greedy mothers out there who are largely motivated by financial gain rather than the preservation of family life? Absolutely, but that's not the overwhelming picture of single motherhood in America. The overwhelming face of single motherhood in America is poverty.

Raising the minimum wage could have really benefited single mothers and children living below poverty level. However, senate republicans blocked the min. wage increase.
Raise the minimum wage, health care access for moms - SFGate
 
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Raising the minimum wage could have really benefited single mothers and children living below poverty level. However, senate republicans blocked the min. wage increase.
Raise the minimum wage, health care access for moms - SFGate
no no and no. raising the min wage will do nothing. what would change things is to put a stop to job outsourcing and force American companies to use AMERICAN workers. Putting the "globalism" idea into the trash can where it belongs.

you see globalism is code word for EVERYONE is dirt poor.
 

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no no and no. raising the min wage will do nothing. what would change things is to put a stop to job outsourcing and force American companies to use AMERICAN workers. Putting the "globalism" idea into the trash can where it belongs.

you see globalism is code word for EVERYONE is dirt poor.
Wisebeardman, I actually agree with you on this point right here, we need to stop allowing outsourcing of jobs. However, either the minimum wage needs to be increased, or the cost of living needs to be lowered. Neither is a simple solution, but complicated, as it involves many different factors.
 
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Wisebeardman, I actually agree with you on this point right here, we need to stop allowing outsourcing of jobs. However, either the minimum wage needs to be increased, or the cost of living needs to be lowered. Neither is a simple solution, but complicated, as it involves many different factors.
Unfortunately, when the minimum wage is increased, the cost of living automatically goes up to cover the increase. So it doesn't do any good in the long run. :-(

I wish there was a permanent answer to poverty....
 
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I clearly demonstrated the problem is growing generationally in the data I shared and my argument, with respect to the rapid decline of marriage in most of Western Civilization, though encompassing various factors (which include economic and technological factors) is primarily due to the following which I already stated but will restate again here:

"1. Our culture is increasingly post-Christian and anti-male.
2. The length of courtship today is far longer than in past generations requiring far greater amounts of time, energy, and money to be risked by males on what often ends up being a futile attempt.
3. The legal contract of marriage has been fundamentally altered to such an extent that men are materially disempowered on the one hand yet forced on the other to assume enormous liabilities that carry serious civil and criminal charges which can render them poor and incarcerated."

A large percentage of young men have adjusted to the altered marriage contract by opting out of it altogether and a large percentage of young women have adjusted to this male choice by engaging in sex with them anyways outside of marriage.

Though the problem is most dramatically centered in densely populated urban areas and their respective demographics, every area and demographic has been affected.

Now the polling results I've seen show that most of these young men would engage in marriage once again if the incentives which were stripped out of the marriage contract for them were replaced. It also shows that young women would adjust to their renewed interest by accepting their proposals of marriage. Apparently, men and women both react to incentives and also to each other.

I don't discount your post with respect to the plight of single mothers. But simply blaming men, which is a very politically correct thing to do, misses the mark. As the old saying goes, "it takes two to tango."

Both an increasing number of men and women have made sinful choices which have led us to this place where more than forty percent of children are now born out of wedlock.

Excluding the 3-5 percentile of out of wedlock births caused by rape (see Hazelwood, Robert R.; Burgess, Ann Wolbert (2009). Practical Aspects of Rape Investigation: A Multidisciplinary Approach), every single out of wedlock birth represents a case where a woman chose to bear a child by a man who wasn’t interested in marrying her or a man she wasn’t interested in marrying. Women aren't helpless victims in all of this. Their behavior is half the problem.

It's no accident that fully thirty percent of children without a father in the home are children of divorce that in 70 percent of the cases the mother initiated. And despite what you may think, by far, it's not for cruelty or abandonment. As the latest scholarly study on the topic states:

"Our results are consistent with our hypothesis that filing behavior is driven by self-interest at the time of divorce. Individuals file for divorce when there are marital assets that may be appropriated through divorce, as in the case of leaving when they have received the benefit of educational investments such as advanced degrees. However, individuals may also file when they are being exploited within the marriage, as when the other party commits a major violation of the marriage contract, such as cruelty. Interestingly, though, cruelty amounts to only 6% of all divorce filings..."

Note: That's alleged cruelty which is overused as a tactic to help gain primary or sole custody of the children which by definition means that it's materially less than 6 percent. Abandonment is also low and polling from a study conducted by researchers at the University of Indiana show that, "19 percent of women and 23 percent of men reported cheating, statistics that seem to reflect a closing of the cheating gender gap."

Source: http://www.unc.edu/courses/2006fall/econ/586/001/Readings/Brinig.pdf

I don't have a problem pointing out the rampant disregard of God's normative morality that Western women are engaging in when they have sex outside of marriage nor the game being played both non-Christian and Christian women routinely where they make believe the sin of the female never really happened and the male is solely to blame for the rapidly rising number of single mothers because it's utter nonsense.

If you're happy with the present feminist child support model society still calls "marriage," then continue to endorse it. But stop complaining about men opting out of it while putting words in their mouths. The studies and polling clearly show most young men today understand the legal liabilities far outweigh the legal benefits to them and in a post-Christian environment where they are no longer required to; they are opting-out at an ever higher percentage.

They just haven't stopped having sex with women who have clearly demonstrated that they are more than happy to engage in sex outside of marriage with them... often with devastating consequences for the children of these people whom are at risk across the board for everything from increased incidents of mental illness and suicide to crime and welfare to poor performance in academia and work to poor problem solving. Even their very brains are affected by the absence of a father: Growing up without a father can permanently alter the BRAIN: Fatherless children are more likely to grow up angry and turn to drugs | Daily Mail Online


Your argument has largely been focused on men choosing not to marry because it's a bad deal for them, which leaves hordes of feminist women longing for marriage and unable to find any man willing to marry them, but this data you've listed above shows that women, also, are uninterested in marriage these days. This isn't a "male" trend. It's a generational trend that both men and women are falling into.
Marriage stats are down because both men and women are choosing not to marry. Marriage is down because our culture accepts and embraces "living together" or "casual sex" as an alternative to marriage. Marriage is down because women are supporting themselves now more than ever, giving them more choice in the matter of marrying.
Believe it or not, there is a shocking number of women out there who are raising their children by themselves, often with no support at all from the father, because their husbands have left them for other women. Studying who files for divorce is absolutely useless because an incredible number of women are forced to file for divorce after being abandoned or cheated on, simply to protect and care for their children. I don't know what state you live in, but where I live alimony is completely non-existent unless one spouse is physically unable to work, and often not even then. It's a non-issue. Joint property is split 50/50. Previously owned property goes with it's original owner. Child support is an across-the-board percentage of the non-custodial parent's earnings, and more and more fathers are equally sharing custody or winning it over entirely. Non. Issue.
I understand that you've probably been burned by some terrible experience. I have too. And I could go on and on about it, but I know that not all men are like that, so I choose not to insult or hurt the many many good men here who aren't.
 
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Globalism isn't really the problem. Globalism has existed since Alexander the Great. Even a modern iteration of globalism was in place by the 16th century.

But you're 100% correct that the recent current U.S. construct of "free" trade/monopoly capitalism which became a reality in the very early 90's are the primary drivers for the income disparity we are experiencing, our ailing domestic labor market, and much of our deficit spending which is presently dominated by non-entitlement welfare programs and decreased real dollar revenues.

Interestingly, this also is yet another driver in men not "stepping up."

no no and no. raising the min wage will do nothing. what would change things is to put a stop to job outsourcing and force American companies to use AMERICAN workers. Putting the "globalism" idea into the trash can where it belongs.

you see globalism is code word for EVERYONE is dirt poor.
 
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It's no accident that fully thirty percent of children without a father in the home are children of divorce that in 70 percent of the cases the mother initiated. And despite what you may think, by far, it's not for cruelty or abandonment. As the latest scholarly study on the topic states:

"Our results are consistent with our hypothesis that filing behavior is driven by self-interest at the time of divorce. Individuals file for divorce when there are marital assets that may be appropriated through divorce, as in the case of leaving when they have received the benefit of educational investments such as advanced degrees. However, individuals may also file when they are being exploited within the marriage, as when the other party commits a major violation of the marriage contract, such as cruelty. Interestingly, though, cruelty amounts to only 6% of all divorce filings..."
This is the thing Age... there's no way to know WHAT the divorce was really about. My divorce was initiated by my husband because he ran off with the wife of his best friend. What do our papers state? "irreconcilable differences". They do not state abandonment (which is what happened) or adultery (which also happened). It is actually VERY rare for divorce filings to even state anything other than irreconcilable differences. That is just easiest, in the end, and going through a divorce is hell on earth even under good circumstances, so most people don't have the energy to fight for the truth to be listed in the papers, when the truth isn't going to make any difference anyway.

This is my point: The stats can't give us a clear picture of what is actually happening.


I don't have a problem pointing out the rampant disregard of God's normative morality that Western women are engaging in when they have sex outside of marriage.
See... I believe that morally you and I are probably in agreement on what is right and what is wrong. But your habit of making it sound like women are solely to blame really does bother me. The statement above bothers me. Women cannot have sex without men. Why aren't you saying "people" instead of "women"?

If you're happy with the present feminist child support model society still calls "marriage," then continue to endorse it. But stop complaining about men opting out of it while putting words in their mouths.
Ironically, those words were never in my mouth either. I haven't complained, ever, about men opting out. I've said repeatedly that this is not a gender-specific opt-out.

My hope is that you will one day see women as individuals. Thank you for the interesting discussion.
 
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No, there is a way. Studies on divorce examine the cases and produce statistics on what divorces are about and then correlate them with other statistics such as the rate of juvenile crime, etc... to produce information that is usable to policy makers, social scientists, private organizations, etc...

Any particular divorce has it's own (though not necessarily unique) profile. For example, the last man I knew who got divorced was a hard working Christian man for one of the big aerospace companies and his wife cheated on him with their son's baseball coach while he was at work during the day earning the money to pay all the bills.

She served him divorce papers and moved in "coach" who lived in his bed in the house he paid the mortgage on, lived off the food he paid the wife in alimony and child support, and drove around the nice new car he paid the bill for while he lived in a cheap rented room in an old piece of junk car and went without because he didn't have any money left over after working 60 hours a week to pay for her to live in the style she had become accustomed to with her new boyfriend. Failure to do so would have resulted in his incarceration in the county jail which would have resulted in him losing his job which would have resulted in being reincarcerated initiating a loop scenario that many divorced men today find themselves in. He did get to see his children every other weekend though "coach" was pretty much their dad from then on.

Who, in their right mind, would want to live like that? I wouldn't and apparently an ever growing number of young men don't either.

Sorry about the words in mouth statement and I'm empathetic to divorce survivors regardless of the level of responsibility they played for it's a sweeping problem that affects individuals as you say.

But regarding gender blame, women were the number one driver in the voting booth to elect the politicians, judges, public officials/bureaucrats, and ballot measures that brought us to where we are today. I can assure you that it was NOT me and my conservative male friends. We voted NO on the liberal/radical feminist social restructure of the marriage contract in our society to what it has become. We voted NO on the liberal policies that have reduced the vast majority of African American households to single parent homes with about a quarter of them on welfare. We voted NO on the liberal policies that transitioned our culture from one that benefited from God's normative morality and Word to one that now scorns it.

Of course women are individuals just as men are individuals; however, understand I talk about this issue primarily in the macro sense. That's when you take all the individuals and you put them together to make a greater whole. What we are talking about isn't just specific examples but rather the colossal tectonic shift that altered the most fundamental institution on the planet (e.g. the family) in much of Western Civilization to the extent that it's in rapid decline across an increasingly immoral Western Civilization.

And, believe it or not, the consequences of such a foolhardy act have only really just begun. We've only seen the first wave of fatherless children reach adulthood. See my post on the rise and fall of juvenile crime in America and how it correlated perfectly with the rise and fall of the first wave of fatherless children entering puberty and then adulthood. Percentage wise, that was a "love tap" compared to what's coming.

And understand that the first wave came in an era of relative economic prosperity marred by some recession. The next one will come in an era of rapid economic decline that will be far worse. Put the two together and you have nitro glycerin. Wait for it...


This is the thing Age... there's no way to know WHAT the divorce was really about. My divorce was initiated by my husband because he ran off with the wife of his best friend. What do our papers state? "irreconcilable differences". They do not state abandonment (which is what happened) or adultery (which also happened). It is actually VERY rare for divorce filings to even state anything other than irreconcilable differences. That is just easiest, in the end, and going through a divorce is hell on earth even under good circumstances, so most people don't have the energy to fight for the truth to be listed in the papers, when the truth isn't going to make any difference anyway.

This is my point: The stats can't give us a clear picture of what is actually happening.

See... I believe that morally you and I are probably in agreement on what is right and what is wrong. But your habit of making it sound like women are solely to blame really does bother me. The statement above bothers me. Women cannot have sex without men. Why aren't you saying "people" instead of "women"?

Ironically, those words were never in my mouth either. I haven't complained, ever, about men opting out. I've said repeatedly that this is not a gender-specific opt-out.

My hope is that you will one day see women as individuals. Thank you for the interesting discussion.
 

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I think the record needle got stuck.

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Hi AOK.

Below you made the following assertion basically showing that women have huge advantages in divorce over men.

3. The legal contract of marriage has been fundamentally altered to such an extent that men are materially disempowered on the one hand yet forced on the other to assume enormous liabilities that carry serious civil and criminal charges which can render them poor and incarcerated."
You gave this source to prove the advantage of divorce for women.

Yet the source you gave to prove advantage of divorce for women said.

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So, the source you cite to prove women have all these advantages from divorce, doesn't necessarily prove that point.

Also the co-author of your source, Douglas W. Allen, seems to premise the entirety of his whole social construct based on observations he sees in traffic. From his staff homepage.

I became interested in economics when I discovered that the principle of substitution could explain much of the traffic patterns I observed on the freeway driving to and from school.
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He also says he's not a specialist on anything.
On the other hand, my inability to specialize by topic
 

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Really? My value on the marriage market increases as I get older? AWESOME!!!

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I had no idea how much traffic patterns must directly affect the Scourge of Feminism.

Most especially when they're observed by men with self-proclaimed "sexy" wives.

I'm also wondering what kind of an impact texting while in a moving car must have...

No doubt about it!! I come to CC Singles for the educational value.
 

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*Hums softly.* *"They never let poor Rudolph... Join in any reindeer games..."
 
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Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice
 

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After the weight I have put on from Christmas day, its more a case of Waddling or rolling up.
 

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I had no idea how much traffic patterns must directly affect the Scourge of Feminism.

Most especially when they're observed by men with self-proclaimed "sexy" wives.

I'm also wondering what kind of an impact texting while in a moving car must have...

No doubt about it!! I come to CC Singles for the educational value.
Traffic patterns have a profound effect on feminism. As traffic congestion increases, the sexist guys who stare at women as they walk by are in increasing danger of wrecking. This reduces the number of sexist men, in a very Darwinian manner allowing feminism to further propagate as the resistance to feminism is weeded out.

In fact, one might theorize women develop provocative mannerisms for just such a reason, to distract sexist guys so they will crash in heavy traffic.

Then, having developed such a theory, one should proceed to the nearest bucket of ice water and stick his head in it. :rolleyes:
 
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AgeOfKnowledge. earlier in the post someone questioned your sources.


Hmmm.


Your argument throughout this thread has been that -


The rising decline of young man having never married shows that it is because of the terrible choices that women have led them to have – through a child support system and the eventuality of divorce.


Your basis for doing so has been the evidence of many papers, but on closer inspections the number of fallacies are quite astounding.


Well, honestly you haven’t shown us a single scholarly research paper either to corroborate your statements .

You asserted that you had provided enough sources to prove your point.
I provided exactly the right statistics and studies to support my statements.

Below is an index of your posts within this thread until the user questioned your sources. The index shows posts you made up to that point which link to an outside source.


I found 13 total links to outside sources up until this user raised issue concerning your sources. After investigating those sources, I found three with significant academic credentials in this area. That means 23% of linked to outside sources have legit credentials in this area. 77% are a mix of a tabloid founder who dropped out of college, a hypno-therapist life/business coach, a blogger even you admit is not an empirical source, and a guy with a community college/standard four year college education, and a staff attorney.


Three times you reference the Dalrock blog. Even you state of that blog.
In my understanding, he's a married economist who's concerned about the problem of marriage decline in the West enough to blog about it. That's all. Due to the popularity of his blog, it is now considered part of the manosphere.




He himself is not an empirical source nor does he produce scholarly studies on this topic. He does reference those; however, in support of his own arguments.

Another of your sources, Ray B. Williams is listed as a hypno therapist, and some type of life business coach. His various bios online provide no reference to significant academic credentials in the area you’re discussing.


Another of your sources is Milo Yiannopoulos. He’s a blogger, founder of a tabloid, and didn’t graduate college.


Another source Jake Morphonios, has no significant academic credentials listed. His bio indicates a standard four year college education, and no strong academic credentials in this area.


David Lapp is listed as a staff attorney.


Below is the index of the outside sources you referenced up until a certain point.
1.Dalrock
2.Dalrock

3.Dalrock

4.Psychology today - Ray B Williams - Hypnotherapist, business coach, no significant academic credentials listed.
http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=Ray_B_Williams


5.UTNE.com - David Popenoe - Has academic credentials

6. Breitbart.com - Milo Yiannopoulos — Blogger - Founder of a tabloid, didn’t graduate college.
Milo Yiannopoulos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



7. Psychology Today - Ray B. Williams. As shown earlier.
Hypnotherapist, business coach, no significant academic credentials listed.
http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=Ray_B_Williams



8. FamilyStudies.org - David Lapp - Staff Attorney


9. Amato Previti - Academic Credentials

10. Bloomberg News - Simply reports a legit news story.
http://christianchat.com/christian-...ngle-men-its-time-step-up-14.html#post1821201[/quote}


11. Procon article…not necessarily germane to the thread topic.

12. UNC.edu - Has academic credentials.

13. Jake Morphonios - No listed significant academic credentials
College education reflects standard 4 year degree.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/morphonios
Please advise if my findings are significantly off track. I understand I may have error on a small scale, but if I'm totally off as a whole, please advise.
 
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