Wearing a ring, when you are not married. Happily unmarried.

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G00WZ

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I know a dude who wears a wedding ring even though he isn't married. He said he wears it because more than 60 percent of the time when cops would pull him over for speeding they let him go because he would just lie about having to hurry home because of the wife.
 

Lanolin

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I think some people are too influenced by Lord of The Rings books/movies where the ring has special powers to make you invisible. I really dont believe that happens.
 

seoulsearch

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I think some people are too influenced by Lord of The Rings books/movies where the ring has special powers to make you invisible. I really dont believe that happens.
Wait, what?!

You think people believe that rings give them special powers?

*cough*GreenLantern*cough*
 

Lynx

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Wait, what?!

You think people believe that rings give them special powers?

*cough*GreenLantern*cough*
I remember Gabriel Iglesias talking about Green Lantern.

"What's so special about him?"
"He has a ring, and it gives him POWER!"
"Well that's fantasy. I've never known a man yet who wore a ring and had any power."
(Some of the audience laughs)
"See? Some of you are laughing, the rest of you can't laugh. You're sitting next to kryptonite!"
 

Lanolin

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Wait, what?!

You think people believe that rings give them special powers?

*cough*GreenLantern*cough*
I am rather skeptical about it.

I do come from Middle Earth....and all the fighting semed to be over this ONE ring....
 

GaryA

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My point is that your statement, "Deception is a lie, and is wrong. Period" is not actually supported by Scripture.
For a Human Being, I believe it is.

No - there is not a single verse that "spells it out" like I said it; however, I believe God intends that we should never be guilty of deliberate deception.

What I said was certainly a "worthy" statement in the context of the thread.

Stop nitpicking. :rolleyes:
 

Lanolin

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something spelled out like....thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour?

Its back in the Old Testament in case you missed it. One of the ten commandments. You know what a commandment is? Something that you obey. And those ten commandments actually were written in stone by the finger of God. So yea they were spelled out...in Hebrew.

In modern day langauge basically it means DONT LIE
 

cinder

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For a Human Being, I believe it is.

No - there is not a single verse that "spells it out" like I said it; however, I believe God intends that we should never be guilty of deliberate deception.

What I said was certainly a "worthy" statement in the context of the thread.

Stop nitpicking. :rolleyes:
While I agree that trying to deliberately deceive people because you don't want to deal with unwanted interest is likely a bad idea and not a Christian thing to do, on the broader topic of deception:

What about the Christians who hid / rescued Jews from the Nazi's?

What about those who smuggled Bibles into the USSR and other communist nations?

What about those who desire to go as missionaries to nations that don't welcome missionaries? How should they present themselves? Where's the line between omission and creative description and outright deceit?

What about prominently placed people who convert in nations where your religious affiliation is a matter of public record? Are they obligated to update their records even if they risk losing life, livelihood, and their opportunity to influence others in doing so?

What about people of faith who work in the military on classified missions or intelligence or other things that need to be kept secret for the greater good and may have to lie to their families and loved ones about where they're going and what they're doing?

So yes the principle of being honest is good and right and godly, but I think maybe there might be times when even an ethical person may be justified in using deception. Avoiding minor personal inconvenience isn't one of them in my opinion.
 

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So, is there a moral and religious dilemma, if you wear a wedding ring, when you are not married?

I don't know what it is, but lately I'm starting to think this is the solution. It seems like it's lying and even if I was married, I wouldn't wear a ring.

I don't believe in wearing jewelry, but this is an emergency.

Basically, what are the ramifications of wearing a wedding ring, when you are not married? Is it wrong? Discuss.

Maybe I should just say, I have a serious girlfriend. Ask a girl to take a picture with me and then tell everyone we are in love.

Does wearing a wedding ring say, leave me alone, or does it bring up more problems?

Not to sound arrogant, but I grow tired of single woman (flirting), and relationships.

Happily unmarried, thank you very much!





hello

Am also happily single at moment as not ready for marriage yet due to recovery from previous domestic and child abuse

I wouldn't say you have a girlfriend as that's lying. Worse than wearing a ring because you are actively speaking a lie which is something God hates
 

EnglishChick

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While I agree that trying to deliberately deceive people because you don't want to deal with unwanted interest is likely a bad idea and not a Christian thing to do, on the broader topic of deception:

What about the Christians who hid / rescued Jews from the Nazi's?

What about those who smuggled Bibles into the USSR and other communist nations?

What about those who desire to go as missionaries to nations that don't welcome missionaries? How should they present themselves? Where's the line between omission and creative description and outright deceit?

What about prominently placed people who convert in nations where your religious affiliation is a matter of public record? Are they obligated to update their records even if they risk losing life, livelihood, and their opportunity to influence others in doing so?

What about people of faith who work in the military on classified missions or intelligence or other things that need to be kept secret for the greater good and may have to lie to their families and loved ones about where they're going and what they're doing?

So yes the principle of being honest is good and right and godly, but I think maybe there might be times when even an ethical person may be justified in using deception. Avoiding minor personal inconvenience isn't one of them in my opinion.
Yes sometimes lying is necessary eg "nein, there are no jews hidden in my house , officer" or when King David faked insanity. Lying to preserve life. But I agree that minor inconvenience when no danger to life or limb is not right
 

EnglishChick

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Regarding the ring thing I have contemplated this before. What I do say to people who are into me is "sorry, am not available." They probably think that means I'm dating or married.t to my mind I consider myself "not available" because I'm not available to date whilst I'm still working through trauma which causes me to freeze at thought of getting near a man
 

Dino246

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For a Human Being, I believe it is.

No - there is not a single verse that "spells it out" like I said it; however, I believe God intends that we should never be guilty of deliberate deception.

What I said was certainly a "worthy" statement in the context of the thread.

Stop nitpicking. :rolleyes:
I'm not nitpicking. I'm pointing out scriptural truth that is directly relevant to your assertion that any form of deception is wrong.
 

Lanolin

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I think to say you arent available is fine. If they still dont get the message then just tell them to look somewhere else. sorry cant help you.

Dealing with stalkers (I think ppl on here have experiences with a few that wont take no for an answer) block your phone, tell your boss if you being harassed, talk to God about it. Pray and bind any demons that are trying to get at you via seduction of your body.

Your body belongs to the Lord it isnt for sale.

women understand this a lot more than men do, we deal with it everyday especially when young. as you get older it lessens somewhat but for us its about respect. If men dont respect us by leaving us alone (or intact and not heartbroken) then I guess its fine to give them the finger. I know a few women who were like I need a ring! That will stop them. But its not magic.
 

Lanolin

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I was reading this graphic memoir about someones pregnancy and birth experience Ok as gross as it sounds.. (first trimester, basically she vomitted everyday) .she was married but had to remove her wedding ring because her body swelled up to twice its normal size and the ring was strangling her finger.
And it took a lot of effort to get it off.
 

GaryA

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@cinder:

Granted - in some situations, it seems necessary or beneficial to be deceptive "for the greater good" - I understand that.

And, if by chance this is "the exception" - then, what I said is "the rule" - and, a good "general rule" at that.

@Dino246:

In the context of this thread, the wording of my post:

Deception is a lie, and is wrong. Period.

If you "toy" with it, it will "haunt" you.

You reap what you sow.

Whatever your situation, you must deal with it honestly.

- should have been understood as being focused on the underlying "personal comfort/gain" issue of the thread topic.

I regret that you missed that part of the intent of my post.

Framed in such a way - to merely remind a brother of his duty to not engage in a deceptive practice just for "personal comfort/gain" - my statement is perfectly valid.

I was not trying to 'define' every possible imaginable scenario possible.

Consider:

~ 'Deception is a lie'

This happens to be a true statement in the absolute sense - deception of any kind in any form - is a lie.

Regardless of what it is being used to achieve - good or bad - it is by the definition of its very nature a lie.

And, there are no two ways about it.

Deception is a lie - by definition.

~ 'and is wrong'

Even if someone does not consider this to be an 'absolute' - it is "absolute" in the context of the wording of my post for the sake of this thread.

Deception for "personal comfort/gain" is wrong.

~ 'Period'

In the context of the wording of my post for the sake of this thread, this is not saying:

"This is true for every possible imaginable case."

Rather, it is saying:

"For the case-at-hand, this is undeniably true."

My statement was not intended to be "of universal scope"; rather, it was intended to address the "application of truth" to a more specific scope - that of an "issue" within the thread topic.
 

EnglishChick

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@cinder:

Granted - in some situations, it seems necessary or beneficial to be deceptive "for the greater good" - I understand that.

And, if by chance this is "the exception" - then, what I said is "the rule" - and, a good "general rule" at that.

@Dino246:

In the context of this thread, the wording of my post:




- should have been understood as being focused on the underlying "personal comfort/gain" issue of the thread topic.

I regret that you missed that part of the intent of my post.

Framed in such a way - to merely remind a brother of his duty to not engage in a deceptive practice just for "personal comfort/gain" - my statement is perfectly valid.

I was not trying to 'define' every possible imaginable scenario possible.

Consider:

~ 'Deception is a lie'

This happens to be a true statement in the absolute sense - deception of any kind in any form - is a lie.

Regardless of what it is being used to achieve - good or bad - it is by the definition of its very nature a lie.

And, there are no two ways about it.

Deception is a lie - by definition.

~ 'and is wrong'

Even if someone does not consider this to be an 'absolute' - it is "absolute" in the context of the wording of my post for the sake of this thread.

Deception for "personal comfort/gain" is wrong.

~ 'Period'

In the context of the wording of my post for the sake of this thread, this is not saying:

"This is true for every possible imaginable case."

Rather, it is saying:

"For the case-at-hand, this is undeniably true."

My statement was not intended to be "of universal scope"; rather, it was intended to address the "application of truth" to a more specific scope - that of an "issue" within the thread topic.
Depends what you regard as deception

If am out in an evening and I leave a light on and music or tv on, curtains drawn in an effort to convince burglars am at home when am not, is that deception?


If I change the col our or texture of my hair or wear make up is that deception ?
 

Dino246

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@cinder:

Granted - in some situations, it seems necessary or beneficial to be deceptive "for the greater good" - I understand that.

And, if by chance this is "the exception" - then, what I said is "the rule" - and, a good "general rule" at that.

@Dino246:

In the context of this thread, the wording of my post:




- should have been understood as being focused on the underlying "personal comfort/gain" issue of the thread topic.

I regret that you missed that part of the intent of my post.

Framed in such a way - to merely remind a brother of his duty to not engage in a deceptive practice just for "personal comfort/gain" - my statement is perfectly valid.

I was not trying to 'define' every possible imaginable scenario possible.

Consider:

~ 'Deception is a lie'

This happens to be a true statement in the absolute sense - deception of any kind in any form - is a lie.

Regardless of what it is being used to achieve - good or bad - it is by the definition of its very nature a lie.

And, there are no two ways about it.

Deception is a lie - by definition.

~ 'and is wrong'

Even if someone does not consider this to be an 'absolute' - it is "absolute" in the context of the wording of my post for the sake of this thread.

Deception for "personal comfort/gain" is wrong.

~ 'Period'

In the context of the wording of my post for the sake of this thread, this is not saying:

"This is true for every possible imaginable case."

Rather, it is saying:

"For the case-at-hand, this is undeniably true."

My statement was not intended to be "of universal scope"; rather, it was intended to address the "application of truth" to a more specific scope - that of an "issue" within the thread topic.
Your previous statement was “Deception is a lie, and is wrong. Period.” No context was provided that would limit the scope. The inclusion of the word, “Period” makes it applicable in every context.

Next time, don’t deceive your readers with clearly-worded statements that mean something other than what they say, and that most readers would understand them to be saying.
 

Lanolin

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wearing a ring when you arent married is kind of like putting up a beware of the dog sign on your gate when there is no dog. You will constantly have to explain your sign to anyone else when they figure out there is no dog. It also shows you are fearful perhaps.

But using someone elses photo and implying you are together when you are not seems more of a deception because its involving someone else in your lie.

i think deception works in the short term but long term it will haunt you.
I mean how far are you going to go. Fake a wedding? all this to prove a point that you enjoy being single?!
 

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So, is there a moral and religious dilemma, if you wear a wedding ring, when you are not married?

I don't know what it is, but lately I'm starting to think this is the solution. It seems like it's lying and even if I was married, I wouldn't wear a ring.

I don't believe in wearing jewelry, but this is an emergency.

Basically, what are the ramifications of wearing a wedding ring, when you are not married? Is it wrong? Discuss.

Maybe I should just say, I have a serious girlfriend. Ask a girl to take a picture with me and then tell everyone we are in love.

Does wearing a wedding ring say, leave me alone, or does it bring up more problems?

Not to sound arrogant, but I grow tired of single woman (flirting), and relationships.

Happily unmarried, thank you very much!






some options:

1/ when women try to chat you up or flirt with you, walk away, ignore etc

2/ if these encounters
So, is there a moral and religious dilemma, if you wear a wedding ring, when you are not married?

I don't know what it is, but lately I'm starting to think this is the solution. It seems like it's lying and even if I was married, I wouldn't wear a ring.

I don't believe in wearing jewelry, but this is an emergency.

Basically, what are the ramifications of wearing a wedding ring, when you are not married? Is it wrong? Discuss.

Maybe I should just say, I have a serious girlfriend. Ask a girl to take a picture with me and then tell everyone we are in love.

Does wearing a wedding ring say, leave me alone, or does it bring up more problems?

Not to sound arrogant, but I grow tired of single woman (flirting), and relationships.

Happily unmarried, thank you very much!












you have a few options without lying


1/ don't engage with them at all. Ignore, don't make eye contact, walk away

2/ say "I'm not available" or "I'm not looking for a relationship right now"

3/ if they flirt on social media then don't engage and only interact with those you want to
 

Lanolin

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Story of Joseph and Mrs Potipher in the Bible may help you.
He ran.

Bible New Testament gives this advice. Flee Fornication.

The Bible's 'F' word.