Wives submit to your husbands
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Well, you're surely entitled to your opinion.
I was just curious though, what will you tell the ladies if they feel you are not a suitable Christian husband who is fulfilling his roles? Or do you feel that you do, and therefore, that's why you're able to declare all women unfit for marriage due to the issue of submission?
I am just picturing you in heaven saying, "I couldn't marry, Lord. None of the women would submit."
Will God pat you on the back and tell you that you were surely worthy of marriage, the ideal Christian husband-to-be, but none of us doggone rebellious women could fit the bill?
Just wanted to know your opinion.
I was just curious though, what will you tell the ladies if they feel you are not a suitable Christian husband who is fulfilling his roles? Or do you feel that you do, and therefore, that's why you're able to declare all women unfit for marriage due to the issue of submission?
I am just picturing you in heaven saying, "I couldn't marry, Lord. None of the women would submit."
Will God pat you on the back and tell you that you were surely worthy of marriage, the ideal Christian husband-to-be, but none of us doggone rebellious women could fit the bill?
Just wanted to know your opinion.
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lol I saw the title of this thread and my mind went in a funny place.
Know what would be really weird?
If a man dressed like a housewife and did stereotype 1950's "housewifey" things like baking and fluttering around the house and cleaning and acting submissive-like and wearing polka dots and treating the "fake husband" actor like he's always correct, and acting all frail and weak as so not to "threaten" the masculinity of the man of the house in any slight way, and uploaded a video of it and put it on here for the sole purpose of demonstrating to all women what they think all Godly women should act like.
Cause in some small way....that is kind of what this thread is like...
Know what would be really weird?
If a man dressed like a housewife and did stereotype 1950's "housewifey" things like baking and fluttering around the house and cleaning and acting submissive-like and wearing polka dots and treating the "fake husband" actor like he's always correct, and acting all frail and weak as so not to "threaten" the masculinity of the man of the house in any slight way, and uploaded a video of it and put it on here for the sole purpose of demonstrating to all women what they think all Godly women should act like.
Cause in some small way....that is kind of what this thread is like...
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When you take the whole context of the "wives be submissive" scriptures, one should consider the most important part concerning how it relates to Christ and God. In Christ we are more than husband and wife; We are brother and sister before our Father, God. Whatever we do toward or for one another should be dictated by God's will, our Father's will, not our husband's or wife's will.
Only the simple-minded who are caught up in self-importance would pervert the meaning of the scripture to suit their desire or to stir up conflict. And it's a waste of good time to try and convince someone who just doesn't concern themselves with the Truth.
Only the simple-minded who are caught up in self-importance would pervert the meaning of the scripture to suit their desire or to stir up conflict. And it's a waste of good time to try and convince someone who just doesn't concern themselves with the Truth.
God knows all things. God knows that I am aware of a husband's responsibilities. Because unlike most people, I don't pick and choose what I want to obey. I admit that I'm no angel. I don't want to think myself better than others. But at least I don't cherry pick the Bible. If women are not willing to submit to my authority, why should I be willing to die for them?
Stephen i feel sorry for you. Really i do. See i AM married and have a wonderful Christian husband who loves me more than anything! And i love him as well. And yes i do submit to him as my Lord asks of me. But my husband does not control me nor does he try to make demands on me or forces me to comply and then say its out of love that he does this or that. For love demands respect and humility. Just as Christ lowered Himself to the Father, we too must walk in this same love with each other and this is what real love is all about! And i don't want my husband to die for me? I only want him to love me! I would die for my husband as much as he would die for me so what is the problem with that?
but it never used to be that way, as i used to be married to a man for over 20 years, a non Christian who was an abuser, alcoholic and adulterer and it was a terrible life. I was under great control and subjected to humiliation, ridicule and pain all the time. I never knew what love was as to even hold my hand was not allowed. many months and even years would go where i never had been touched except that of the pain of raw words and negative insinuations. I was warned never to cut my hair, had many rules and rituals that my then husband made laws for me to follow under his commands and if i didn't, there was a price to pay.
I am so thankful that my Lord brought me out of that whole regiment and if not for His leading and a miracle i would not be where i am today! I praise Him every day for all He has given me.
Your see, my self esteem was so low because of that time that God needed to help me to trust in Him. the controlling nature of my ex was so great that it caused me to loose courage and my faith was weak. But God loved me so much, that He was patient with me and gradually showed me how to trust Him and people and especially men again. Love is not about control and demands! My Lord showed me that. Its about mercy, grace and forgiveness, and respecting the other enough to trust them even when you don't have enough faith in yourself. I had nothing, yet in Jesus i had everything.
During this time, i lost my marriage, my husband, my job, my home, my health, my family as i knew it, and my dignity, and all i had left was my teenage son and Jesus! But it was all i needed! Jesus took care of me and now i have more than i ever thought! that was 13 years ago. I learned how to submit during that whole time even while in the storm...But God never forgot me!
Now God has given me a wonderful Christian husband who follows the lord and we will be married for 9 beautiful years this June...
so now, YES! I submit to my husband because i want to please to my Lord and it makes us happy! We are at peace! But if my husband tried to force words or implications upon me that indicated motives other than love like using words like forbid or telling me your not allowed or things like that, then there would be a problem!
Because we are both led by the Holy Spirit then my husband knows that, that same Spirit that shows him things of right and wrong will also show me too as we are connected and when using prayer while walking in His purpose there will be no problem. Trust is the issue here! my husband trusts me and He knows i trust my Lord to help me in my walk and you know what HE DOES!
So my husband as well as I both need to each have a confirmation from the Spirit as we are One body now! The two shall become one as its stated.
What has been shown to my husband will also be shown to me too by the Holy Spirit with prayer and it will be confirmed and visa-verse. So there is never a conflict as we each bring to the other what we think, pray about it and the Holy spirit guides us together in whatever topic or issue we need. This is what it means to submit as i seek my husbands advice and my Lords and my husband does the same. Then in the end, we have a solution and God never fails us!
We are at peace... As i have said before, i have no problem knowing that my husband is in charge, but he also knows that being in charge does not mean being in control. For only God is really in control! And when any of us can come to that understanding then we are halfway to the solution.
God will work with us to find wisdom in all we do, but we all need to seek Him daily and never think that we are perfect without Him or that just because we are of a specific sex that we are better than, for i can name many of that specific "sex" that beg to differ, on either side.
Only God is good and none of us can compare.. All we can do is seek Him and humble and ask for more grace and mercy as the word says He gives new grace every morning! Personally, i think its because we run out before the day is out and so God is so good that He supplies all our needs!
but it never used to be that way, as i used to be married to a man for over 20 years, a non Christian who was an abuser, alcoholic and adulterer and it was a terrible life. I was under great control and subjected to humiliation, ridicule and pain all the time. I never knew what love was as to even hold my hand was not allowed. many months and even years would go where i never had been touched except that of the pain of raw words and negative insinuations. I was warned never to cut my hair, had many rules and rituals that my then husband made laws for me to follow under his commands and if i didn't, there was a price to pay.
I am so thankful that my Lord brought me out of that whole regiment and if not for His leading and a miracle i would not be where i am today! I praise Him every day for all He has given me.
Your see, my self esteem was so low because of that time that God needed to help me to trust in Him. the controlling nature of my ex was so great that it caused me to loose courage and my faith was weak. But God loved me so much, that He was patient with me and gradually showed me how to trust Him and people and especially men again. Love is not about control and demands! My Lord showed me that. Its about mercy, grace and forgiveness, and respecting the other enough to trust them even when you don't have enough faith in yourself. I had nothing, yet in Jesus i had everything.
During this time, i lost my marriage, my husband, my job, my home, my health, my family as i knew it, and my dignity, and all i had left was my teenage son and Jesus! But it was all i needed! Jesus took care of me and now i have more than i ever thought! that was 13 years ago. I learned how to submit during that whole time even while in the storm...But God never forgot me!
Now God has given me a wonderful Christian husband who follows the lord and we will be married for 9 beautiful years this June...
so now, YES! I submit to my husband because i want to please to my Lord and it makes us happy! We are at peace! But if my husband tried to force words or implications upon me that indicated motives other than love like using words like forbid or telling me your not allowed or things like that, then there would be a problem!
Because we are both led by the Holy Spirit then my husband knows that, that same Spirit that shows him things of right and wrong will also show me too as we are connected and when using prayer while walking in His purpose there will be no problem. Trust is the issue here! my husband trusts me and He knows i trust my Lord to help me in my walk and you know what HE DOES!
So my husband as well as I both need to each have a confirmation from the Spirit as we are One body now! The two shall become one as its stated.
What has been shown to my husband will also be shown to me too by the Holy Spirit with prayer and it will be confirmed and visa-verse. So there is never a conflict as we each bring to the other what we think, pray about it and the Holy spirit guides us together in whatever topic or issue we need. This is what it means to submit as i seek my husbands advice and my Lords and my husband does the same. Then in the end, we have a solution and God never fails us!
We are at peace... As i have said before, i have no problem knowing that my husband is in charge, but he also knows that being in charge does not mean being in control. For only God is really in control! And when any of us can come to that understanding then we are halfway to the solution.
God will work with us to find wisdom in all we do, but we all need to seek Him daily and never think that we are perfect without Him or that just because we are of a specific sex that we are better than, for i can name many of that specific "sex" that beg to differ, on either side.
Only God is good and none of us can compare.. All we can do is seek Him and humble and ask for more grace and mercy as the word says He gives new grace every morning! Personally, i think its because we run out before the day is out and so God is so good that He supplies all our needs!
But that's one of God's expectations of a Godly leader. The Godly leader steps up and does what's right, no matter what everyone else is doing.
Pardon my saying so as well, but it seems a little... different? That you would also base your love for a woman on how well you perceive that she will submit to you. *shrugs* I mean, is this what you ask on dates? "How good are you at submitting to a man?" Not, "What are your interests?" or "What kind of mission work are you involved in?" but "How willing will you be to submit to me in all situations?"
Pardon my saying so as well, but it seems a little... different? That you would also base your love for a woman on how well you perceive that she will submit to you. *shrugs* I mean, is this what you ask on dates? "How good are you at submitting to a man?" Not, "What are your interests?" or "What kind of mission work are you involved in?" but "How willing will you be to submit to me in all situations?"
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Okay clever clogs, let's turn the tables: Let's talk about Ephesians 5:25: "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave himself for her."
I've had this verse rammed down my throat more times than you've had hot dinners. But guess what: I have never once tried to undermine the meaning of this verse. I have never tried to deny or water down a husband's responsibilities. But when it comes to wives submitting to their husbands, time and time again people try to water it down. But they never do it with Ephesians 5:25.
If I were to say to you that Ephesians 5:25 no longer applies to husbands, or that husbands don't necessarily have to give themselves for their wives, I'm sure I would be accused of trying to evade my responsibilities. This is exactly what you, and millions of other Christians, do with "wives be submissive." You do all you can to water it down because we live in an age where men are expected to fulfill their responsibilities, but not vice versa.
I don't pervert the Scriptures. I just don't cherry pick them!
I've had this verse rammed down my throat more times than you've had hot dinners. But guess what: I have never once tried to undermine the meaning of this verse. I have never tried to deny or water down a husband's responsibilities. But when it comes to wives submitting to their husbands, time and time again people try to water it down. But they never do it with Ephesians 5:25.
If I were to say to you that Ephesians 5:25 no longer applies to husbands, or that husbands don't necessarily have to give themselves for their wives, I'm sure I would be accused of trying to evade my responsibilities. This is exactly what you, and millions of other Christians, do with "wives be submissive." You do all you can to water it down because we live in an age where men are expected to fulfill their responsibilities, but not vice versa.
I don't pervert the Scriptures. I just don't cherry pick them!
So let's turn the tables and see how you like it: Would you marry and submit to a man who was not prepared to fulfill his roles as a godly husband? If not, why not? Most women would say "No, of course I wouldn't." So my question is, why would I want to marry a woman who refused to fulfill her roles as a godly wife? Why the double standards?
I already was married to one, Stephen.
And he left for someone else.
Be careful when you assume people here don't know what they're talking about or have nothing to back their words and quoted Scriptures.
Some of us, unlike yourself, have lived it, instead of making sweeping statements from a hypothetical perspective.
And he left for someone else.
Be careful when you assume people here don't know what they're talking about or have nothing to back their words and quoted Scriptures.
Some of us, unlike yourself, have lived it, instead of making sweeping statements from a hypothetical perspective.
Doubtful. Very, very doubtful.
First, I'm older than you, so I've had more "hot dinners". Second, EVERYONE perverts the scriptures and EVERYONE cherry picks. We're sinners. We mess things up royally. To say that you don't pervert, misunderstand, or misrepresent the scriptures is to say you're perfect like Christ. Like it or not, you taint things. Everyone does.
LOLOLOLOL These comments totally made me laugh out loud in the student lounge! People turned to look at me. A good stress reliever after an extremely long final. For that I thank you.
Now, it's not "piffle" because you ARE a sinner. To claim you aren't one... well, the bible has a few choice things to say about that belief. Or are you cherry picking?
What I think you're truly upset about woman wise is you feel like you're the one who is giving, giving, giving, and getting nothing in return. You probably saw your parents marriage as dysfunctional, as well as many other people. You're accustom to seeing dominating women and lackluster men. You think that it's unfair. You even feel like a bit of your power has been stripped from you already... and you're not even married! How am I doing so far? I'm not sure why I asked, you'll probably just deny it anyway. So, instead of picking fights to assert your dominance, why not seek Godly counsel from Godly men at your church? If you're really bad off, seek out a Christian therapist. Not all women are horrid, even though you keep finding them. Me included
But don't worry. If you allow Christ to bind up your wounds and remove the chip from your shoulder, He'll most likely bring you a good, Christian woman. Cheers!
LOLOLOLOL These comments totally made me laugh out loud in the student lounge! People turned to look at me. A good stress reliever after an extremely long final. For that I thank you.
Now, it's not "piffle" because you ARE a sinner. To claim you aren't one... well, the bible has a few choice things to say about that belief. Or are you cherry picking?
What I think you're truly upset about woman wise is you feel like you're the one who is giving, giving, giving, and getting nothing in return. You probably saw your parents marriage as dysfunctional, as well as many other people. You're accustom to seeing dominating women and lackluster men. You think that it's unfair. You even feel like a bit of your power has been stripped from you already... and you're not even married! How am I doing so far? I'm not sure why I asked, you'll probably just deny it anyway. So, instead of picking fights to assert your dominance, why not seek Godly counsel from Godly men at your church? If you're really bad off, seek out a Christian therapist. Not all women are horrid, even though you keep finding them. Me included But don't worry. If you allow Christ to bind up your wounds and remove the chip from your shoulder, He'll most likely bring you a good, Christian woman. Cheers!
Now, it's not "piffle" because you ARE a sinner. To claim you aren't one... well, the bible has a few choice things to say about that belief. Or are you cherry picking?
What I think you're truly upset about woman wise is you feel like you're the one who is giving, giving, giving, and getting nothing in return. You probably saw your parents marriage as dysfunctional, as well as many other people. You're accustom to seeing dominating women and lackluster men. You think that it's unfair. You even feel like a bit of your power has been stripped from you already... and you're not even married! How am I doing so far? I'm not sure why I asked, you'll probably just deny it anyway. So, instead of picking fights to assert your dominance, why not seek Godly counsel from Godly men at your church? If you're really bad off, seek out a Christian therapist. Not all women are horrid, even though you keep finding them. Me included
But don't worry. If you allow Christ to bind up your wounds and remove the chip from your shoulder, He'll most likely bring you a good, Christian woman. Cheers!
And after all this time people still haven't got my point. My point is the double standards. Men are expected to obey Ephesians 5:25, but women don't want to obey, "Wives, submit to your husbands."
Of course we all want Godly spouses who live Godly lives. But to expect perfection or anything close to it is not only unrealistic, but impossible. I secretly wished for years that my ex would change his mind and we would remarry, but he never spoke to me again after our court date and I hear he's now remarried with a family.
Would I try again with someone else? Perhaps. Do I want someone who is a Godly husband? Of course. But for either of us to expect perfection or standards set too high is an automatic setup for failure before it's even begun.
I'm not sure which part of Aimee's post you thought was pig slop, seeing as she stated that we are all sinners who make mistakes, which is extremely Biblical.
I could be wrong, but I would say that telling someone, "You should be ashamed of yourself," would be slander.
Exactly what was the part that you were saying about how you don't pick and choose which of God's commands to obey (implying that you obey all of them) and the fact that you said a person either chooses to obey God or doesn't... Are you saying you don't apply your own rules to yourself but expect them of everyone else?
I'm curious now as to how you can say you choose to obey all of God's commands rather than picking... but yet, slander another person. Call me crazy, but this seems to be a violation of one of God's commands.
Aren't you contradicting yourself here?
Would I try again with someone else? Perhaps. Do I want someone who is a Godly husband? Of course. But for either of us to expect perfection or standards set too high is an automatic setup for failure before it's even begun.
I'm not sure which part of Aimee's post you thought was pig slop, seeing as she stated that we are all sinners who make mistakes, which is extremely Biblical.
I could be wrong, but I would say that telling someone, "You should be ashamed of yourself," would be slander.
Exactly what was the part that you were saying about how you don't pick and choose which of God's commands to obey (implying that you obey all of them) and the fact that you said a person either chooses to obey God or doesn't... Are you saying you don't apply your own rules to yourself but expect them of everyone else?
I'm curious now as to how you can say you choose to obey all of God's commands rather than picking... but yet, slander another person. Call me crazy, but this seems to be a violation of one of God's commands.
Aren't you contradicting yourself here?