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Maddog

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Then why did you say you'd have think about it if you were given the choice of lying or having someone die? I can only read what you write I can't see inside your head.
Because I'm not convinced that any intrinsically immoral act is ever justified, even if it were to potentially save someone's life, but that speaks nothing to whether or not I value human life. But also, I don't believe that there is any sitiuation in which a human would be forced by moral necessity to make such a decision. There is always a 'third option'.


We can if we think about the potential outcomes. We can't be right all the time, however you have to look yourself in the mirror every night and I do knowing that I have a clear conscious.
But our conscience must be informed; it is not omniscient, neither is it infallible. For example, there are things I have done in the past for which I felt no guilt. However, more recently I have learned that such things are wrong, so the same actions would now cause me guilt.


Gay couples can have kids. I'm not going further into explaining this.
If you've been following my train of thought, I expect you already know that I would understand such a thing as a grave evil.


Pair bonding is about a family, and it's better to have a loving family then anything else. :)
Not sure what you mean here.


So what about people who want to get married but not to have kids? Not everyone wants kids, and there are a lot of straight couples who never have kids. Should they then just not be together? Children are a blessing however they aren't the solution to a family, you have a family first which is made out of love. :)
Every married couple should be open to the possibility of new life, of which God is the author. If God chooses to bless them with children they should be ready to receive it, rather than actively taking measures to frustrate it.


Why would we have birth control then? That's actively trying to avoid conception so everyone who uses it is what?
Everyone who uses it is committing a moral evil. It's not the populist answer, I know, but there's no need for me to pull my punches here is there?


Love is about love not a hedonistic need to make more of yourself.
No, but neither is it the hedonistic need to be close to someone as you're postulating.


Kids come when they do
Yes, and we should be open to receiving them.


however that shouldn't be the only or primary reason you are with the person you are with. It should be about something much more.
When I said that the primary end of sex was reproduction, I was referring to the act itself, regardless of the participants' intentions. One need not enter into marriage with the specific intention of having children, all that is required is that one remains open, in spirit and in practice, to the possibility.


Ignorance isn't bliss, I just expect more out people, like humanity, don't you think God's expectations are even higher?
You've thrown me on this one, because, at face value, I agree with this statement. You're understanding of what this entails in practice must differ significantly from mine, I assume, so feel free to explain what you mean.
 
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Rheod

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rickhaines7 i think that it harsh cus that means there is no such thing as a sexually immoral chirstian or a lustful christian. i think with the right counceliing and without prejudgement they can change my friend did and now he is a radical man of God. I think anyone can change with God. i think as a church we are too quick to judge instead of helping and working with. Remember Jesus said a healthy man doesnt need a doctor.
 
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Rheod

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Everyone who uses it is committing a moral evil. It's not the populist answer, I know, but there's no need for me to pull my punches here is there?
So the people of Africa who are trying to get condoms so they can make love with their spouses without spreading AIDS to them are evil? Or any other married couple with a similar scenario for that matter? Didn't know taking precautions to protect the lives of those you love was evil.
 
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wolfywolfs

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im gona get out my old poke deck and RULE THE WORLD MUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA because apperntly i have that power
 
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wolfywolfs

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im gona get out my old poke deck and RULE THE WORLD MUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA because apperntly i have that power
damn wrong post lol should stop opening so many tabs
 
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wolfywolfs

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Wolfywolfs, I have no idea what that has to do with the topic at hand, but you are my new favorite person on here. Quest on. 11.11.11
erm this is what happens when you drink dr pepper ... you becomes a dovahkiin
 
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jimmydiggs

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So the people of Africa who are trying to get condoms so they can make love with their spouses without spreading AIDS to them are evil? Or any other married couple with a similar scenario for that matter? Didn't know taking precautions to protect the lives of those you love was evil.
Ultimately the question we must answer on this stuff is, "Do two wrongs make a right?" Overall, situational ethics for the most part don't line up well with Christianity. Why? Christianity for the most part deals in moral absolutes. For example, it is always immoral to commit adultery. Even if it means to save the life of someone else.

So if it is immoral to use condoms*, why should we do something immoral to prevent the spread of AIDS? Should we steal to eat? These ideas of "doing the most good for the most people" are in many cases so deeply ingrained into Christian thought on morality, that we often forget that there are some serious rifts between Biblical morality, and the morality of man.

(*Don't know where I stand on condom usage, generally I'm against the idea though.)

I think Ravi Zacharias put it quite well when he said, "I think Humanism (morality by man) is the oldest religion of the world, it is wanting to live in the Garden of Eden without the boundaries set by God."

You and I both know, as Christians we are to obey the boundaries.

Would you be okay with raping two million women, to save six billion human lives? I wouldn't. Two wrongs don't make a right. Two million wrongs isn't any better.





Anyway, on the original subject. Gay Christians.


This man, says everything you need to know.

I can't get the youtube video to embed, so I'll leave a link.

YouTube - Jesus Christ Saved Me from 27 Years of Homosexuality <--- click
 
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wolfywolfs

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Would you be okay with raping two million women, to save six billion human lives? I wouldn't. Two wrongs don't make a right. Two million wrongs isn't any better.


first ill try and find another way to save the 6 billion but assumeing this hypothetical situation there is no other way then yes ill do it ill sacrfice my life consions mental health my soul what ever if tht would save those people
 
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jimmydiggs

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first ill try and find another way to save the 6 billion but assumeing this hypothetical situation there is no other way then yes ill do it ill sacrfice my life consions mental health my soul what ever if tht would save those people
You would rape two million women? I try to follow God's laws. I can't rape even one.
 
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wolfywolfs

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You would rape two million women? I try to follow God's laws. I can't rape even one.
if its to save 6 billion lives then yes even if it mean being looked at as an evil man because ill be sacrificing myself so that others can live