Gay Christian?

White_Wolf · Feb 1, 2011

My two cents(don't blaze me)

I do believe homosexuality is a sin however, only God knows an individuals heart. We are all of the flesh, thus we all live in a state of sin, even after salvation. I have my personal sin(s) and temptation(s) just as every Christian does. I think it's a grave mistake to believe otherwise.

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Paul wrote in Romans7:14-25, in regards to the dual nature of being a Christian.

14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

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Even after salvation, Paul continued to sin, and it can be strongly assumed that he dealt with many of the same sin(s) that every man does(continuously even, as thoughts themselves can be sin).

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With that said, I understand that their are differences of interpretation as to the above passage, and not all Christians might agree with the previous statement made: "We are all of the flesh, thus we all live in a state of sin, even after salvation".

I however, don't wish to get into a debate. I just wanted to share the opinion I hold, from my understanding, and personal experience as a Christian.

God Bless

VikkiKate89 · Feb 4, 2011

godsbluesman said:

You need to get one thing clear right now. Homosexuality and Heterosexuality refers to the orientation of ADULTS towards ADULTS. Pedophilia is an adult lusting after a child. They are not one in the same.

What those priests did was deplorable, but it was an act of pedophilia, NOT homosexuality.

I don't care if you're for or against homosexuality, do not mesh it with pedophilia because they are not the same thing and should never be treated as the same thing.

DanuckInUSA · Feb 4, 2011

Agreed. There both are cases of sexual immorality but one greatly differs from the other.

dan1el · Mar 10, 2011

Christ came to save people FROM THEIR SINS; not IN SINS...
"Sin is an OFFENSE to God"
"Jesus came to DESTROY sin"
"Whoever says they know Jesus but walk in sin is LYING."

talitha · Mar 10, 2011

i wouldnt say i walk in sin, but i do sin. i am of the world, not in it, and as i am made only of human flesh i still have the ability to sin. its the strength of christ within me that helps me reduce the occurance but never the less, we remain imperfect until jesus returns and takes us home. (not that i advocate homosexuality, its just that- to god, sin is sin, whatever the nature. repent and be forgiven, whatever it might be)

talitha · Mar 10, 2011

i wouldnt say i walk in sin, but i do sin. i am of the world, not in it, and as i am made only of human flesh i still have the ability to sin. its the strength of christ within me that helps me reduce the occurance but never the less, we remain imperfect until jesus returns and takes us home. (not that i advocate homosexuality, its just that- to god, sin is sin, whatever the nature. repent and be forgiven, whatever it might be)

SaintMorleyDK · Mar 10, 2011

I myself once thought that I was gay......but truely truely I know that within myself because of my ever growing need to find God and not find what I find pleasurable to myself, attraction lies only within God and seeking God and finding whats in heaven, to be truely better then whats here on earth. I myself turned away from Sexual immorality like a few other sins when I was saved because I relished not having to decide weather I was gay or straight because sex never comes till you find love, and love is with God and God only.

I know that when we were created a man and woman that man would embrace woman and not embrace man, because two men are two strengths and they cancel each other out and nothing more can come of this.....as for instance a woman and a woman would cancel each other out and nothing more would come of this.... But if we stand back, and think rationally about what God says, we have less irrationality to believe in our own thoughts and take to heart what God did not tell us, we are not following love in this sense.....

We should lean on understanding of God and not understanding of ourselves, for that alone is how we failed when taking a bite of the forbidden fruit. Trust and love in God, not yourself or attraction to another, sexual immorality is what follows those who do not follow the understanding of God. I don't mean to say this in any negative way to be opposing of the opposite sex but men have strength that women do not and when we as men fall for another man we take away what rightfully belongs to God. We take heed in our own pleasure..... I used to be sexually immoral.....I used to feel a longing for male security in my life, but over time that "love" I felt for man became sexual, its how sexual orientation seperated us from God, we can have love with male or female.

We can love another male as men in a respectful way, and we are all alowed to feel secure giving a hug to another man, but sexually we do not succeed in creating more life for God with another man sexually. This is what I realised, and the understanding of mine also matches up to God's word. I realised its not wrong to feel sexually aroused because we do crave love in a sexual manner but its best we don't dirty our minds with sex in general. I find joy in knowing that God allows me pleasure when thinking even just innocent thoughts, not ones of sexual immorality and sexual focus. And also when I realise this I do my best to show God I have full control over my own actions and I trust him, I love him with all my heart. He will know what will make me happy. And in time he will guide me to a partner that would love me as I would love her, regaurdless of sexual appeal, because sex does not matter so much. Love does <3 Love is the focus <3 Not sex. Leave sex out and we could give all our love to God in trust and love and belief that he will grant us what will make us happy ^_^!

AMEN! <3 God is amazing ^_^

Crabcake · Mar 10, 2011

You cannot be a committed homosexual and a Christian as well. That is like stating you are an adulterer and a Christian. You are a liar and a Christian. God hates ALL SIN and homosexuality is a sin.

AnandaHya · Mar 10, 2011

I think being gay and acting upon it is like lusting after your neighbor's husband or wife. I think people can have meaningful relationships/ friendships with people of the same sex. Some of my best friends are women and I don't think I'm a lesbian. However I think people constantly step over the line when they use their bodies in ways that God did not intend for them to be used. The Bible tells us that our bodies are temples and should be dedicated to the worship and the acts that glorify God. The Bible speaks against lust and immoral sexual acts that the Bible talks about whether it is with someone of the same or opposite sex. All of it is sin. I'm not throwing stones, I have my own faults and things I'm dealing with. In the eyes of God we are all sinners, no one except Jesus was perfect in that He was able to follow all the laws that God wanted us to follow without making mistakes.

I believe that Adam and Eve's major sin was not eating of the apple but not accepting responsibility and asking God for forgiveness. They blamed someone else. The snake placed the stumbling block and they fell, but Jesus came and taught that if we ask for forgiveness, pray, have faith that Jesus came and died for us as a pure example of God's love, and have a truly repentant heart then we will be forgiven and accepted as children of God. People don't seem to realize how awe inspiring that is, before Jesus humanity was enslaved to the devil or God depending on which side and whose orders they chose to follow.The Prophets gave them the law, but then Jesus gave us grace and mercy to be Children of God.

Do you know the difference between children and servants? They know the will of Master of the house. It is our choice if we want to be slaves, blindly following orders or if we want to walk with God and learn His spiritual laws and plan for this world.

One of the most basic is that it is not about the flesh it is about the spirit. We are at war with the flesh because its desires lead us away from God's desires. Lust is about physical gratification and closeness with another person. The Holy Spirit is concerned with your connection with God and reflecting God's love of you to others.

I believe that homosexuality goes against God's plan for this world and therefore is a sin, but I also think jealousy, greed, hatred and many other things are also sin. I would have people remember the story of Jesus and the towns people who wanted to stone the woman and He told them "let the one with no sin cast the first stone"

We should not be casting stones at each other, we should not be ripping each other apart. Jesus told the woman to go and sin no more. I think ultimately its between God and the person. We can only care for the things and people God has entrusted us with. We are caretakers of the temple which is our bodies. If we are married we entrust our bodies to our spouses and we are to take care of our spouses bodies. Everything we have has been given to us by God and we should be eternally thankful for the many blessings God gives us daily: the breath in our lungs, the sunlight, the beauty that surrounds us, music, friends and thousands of marvelous experiences and treasures that are so often taken for granted until it is taken away. Hell is not a place that God has to create, it is a state of being where God's absence is truly felt. No warmth, no connection with others, no love. Just darkness, decaying flesh, hopelessness.

Sometimes we have to have a taste of Hell in our lives to yearn for Heaven. I have friends who are homosexual and they know the Bible says its wrong but they try and justify themselves. Eventually God is going to ask them to chose: will they walk the path of righteousness towards God or will they wander down a side path without Him? God will not abandon people if they call for help with a truly repentant heart, but be careful if you pray for God to change you, because He will and we as humans don't like change. We get comfortable in the status quo. Eventually I feel like God is telling me I will have to tell my homosexual friends that their actions are offensive in the sight of God, but right now I'm avoiding it and them. I know its rather cowardly of me but they've heard it before from other family members and church members. Why would they listen to me? why mess up good relations or our friendships by bring up a prickly subject?

that little voice whispers: because God asks it of you

of course i want to struggle and argue: find someone else, says the selfish happy with the status quo side of me

but part of me asks: God how do you talk with someone about a sensitive topic and get them to listen? How do you make that connection and show them what God wants for them is so much better then what they dream for themselves? So i guess that is why I'm writing, does anyone have an answer that works?

SaintMorleyDK · Mar 10, 2011

Crabcake said:

^_^;....*Sigh* Well you are not wrong sister....The problem with telling someone they are a liar is not truely righteous unless we have no sliver in our own eyes. We must know wisdom and how to apply it to those that do not know. *Reads proverbs* Wisdom is key to distributing knowledge to those who don't know so much.

SaintMorleyDK · Mar 10, 2011

AnandaHya said:

I think being gay and acting upon it is like lusting after your neighbor's husband or wife. I think people can have meaningful relationships/ friendships with people of the same sex. Some of my best friends are women and I don't think I'm a lesbian. However I think people constantly step over the line when they use their bodies in ways that God did not intend for them to be used. The Bible tells us that our bodies are temples and should be dedicated to the worship and the acts that glorify God. The Bible speaks against lust and immoral sexual acts that the Bible talks about whether it is with someone of the same or opposite sex. All of it is sin. I'm not throwing stones, I have my own faults and things I'm dealing with. In the eyes of God we are all sinners, no one except Jesus was perfect in that He was able to follow all the laws that God wanted us to follow without making mistakes.

I believe that Adam and Eve's major sin was not eating of the apple but not accepting responsibility and asking God for forgiveness. They blamed someone else. The snake placed the stumbling block and they fell, but Jesus came and taught that if we ask for forgiveness, pray, have faith that Jesus came and died for us as a pure example of God's love, and have a truly repentant heart then we will be forgiven and accepted as children of God. People don't seem to realize how awe inspiring that is, before Jesus humanity was enslaved to the devil or God depending on which side and whose orders they chose to follow.The Prophets gave them the law, but then Jesus gave us grace and mercy to be Children of God.

Do you know the difference between children and servants? They know the will of Master of the house. It is our choice if we want to be slaves, blindly following orders or if we want to walk with God and learn His spiritual laws and plan for this world.

One of the most basic is that it is not about the flesh it is about the spirit. We are at war with the flesh because its desires lead us away from God's desires. Lust is about physical gratification and closeness with another person. The Holy Spirit is concerned with your connection with God and reflecting God's love of you to others.

I believe that homosexuality goes against God's plan for this world and therefore is a sin, but I also think jealousy, greed, hatred and many other things are also sin. I would have people remember the story of Jesus and the towns people who wanted to stone the woman and He told them "let the one with no sin cast the first stone"

We should not be casting stones at each other, we should not be ripping each other apart. Jesus told the woman to go and sin no more. I think ultimately its between God and the person. We can only care for the things and people God has entrusted us with. We are caretakers of the temple which is our bodies. If we are married we entrust our bodies to our spouses and we are to take care of our spouses bodies. Everything we have has been given to us by God and we should be eternally thankful for the many blessings God gives us daily: the breath in our lungs, the sunlight, the beauty that surrounds us, music, friends and thousands of marvelous experiences and treasures that are so often taken for granted until it is taken away. Hell is not a place that God has to create, it is a state of being where God's absence is truly felt. No warmth, no connection with others, no love. Just darkness, decaying flesh, hopelessness.

Sometimes we have to have a taste of Hell in our lives to yearn for Heaven. I have friends who are homosexual and they know the Bible says its wrong but they try and justify themselves. Eventually God is going to ask them to chose: will they walk the path of righteousness towards God or will they wander down a side path without Him? God will not abandon people if they call for help with a truly repentant heart, but be careful if you pray for God to change you, because He will and we as humans don't like change. We get comfortable in the status quo. Eventually I feel like God is telling me I will have to tell my homosexual friends that their actions are offensive in the sight of God, but right now I'm avoiding it and them. I know its rather cowardly of me but they've heard it before from other family members and church members. Why would they listen to me? why mess up good relations or our friendships by bring up a prickly subject?

that little voice whispers: because God asks it of you

of course i want to struggle and argue: find someone else, says the selfish happy with the status quo side of me

but part of me asks: God how do you talk with someone about a sensitive topic and get them to listen? How do you make that connection and show them what God wants for them is so much better then what they dream for themselves? So i guess that is why I'm writing, does anyone have an answer that works?

hehe ^_^! In relation to those that have been gay, or professed themselves to be gay, its truely the only connection to how we turn away from our sin and tell of our experience ^_^ I have done so in a previous post if you paied attention. I agree with you very much sister. Stay strong in God forever he will know whats best for us XP he will do great things with us if we trust and give all to him ^_^! Let them know this, for it IS truth. ^_^

Phoebzter · Mar 10, 2011

The word gay can mean many things to many people. It is necessary and important to define what gay mean to the person you are talking with. FOR EXAMPLE: To one person, gay to them would mean engaging in sexual behaviors with a person of the same-sex. To another person gay could mean having persisting and exclusive attraction to only the same-sex, but not engaging in any sexual behaviors with the same-sex. To another person gay might mean marrying the opposite sex, but still have same-sex attractions. There are various scenarios in between also.

I believe a person can be gay and a true God-fearing believer and Christian if they are experiencing persisting exclusive same-sex attractions, meaning those attractions will most likely never leave them, and are choosing to live a life of celibacy. I do not believe that people choose what they are attracting to. Just as heterosexual did not wake up one day and choose to be attracted to the opposite sex, so a homosexual did not choose to be attracted to the same sex. This does not give justification for people experiencing same-sex attraction to act on their thoughts and attractions, just as someone who is attracted to alcohol or pornography should not act on the impulse to drink, or engage their fantasies. We all have our hidden desires and impulses. I do not believe the attraction itself is a sin. It is what you do with the attraction that becomes a sin.

oopsies · Mar 10, 2011

I am getting tired of reading all this nonsense about casting stones and planks/splinters in one's eye. If a fellow Christian is sinning or commits a sin, just say it. If you're correct then they will be convicted by the Spirit and will accept the correction. Don't fluff and reduce the correction to nothing more than a passing thought with, "Oh, but I sin too so don't worry about it." People don't grow in spiritual maturity if they're being fed milk all the time. Likewise, if someone corrects you, listen to the Spirit and check the Bible to ensure the correction is biblical, then make the change in your own life. Nevermind whether the other person sins or not. The idea is to build each other up in correction. Correction doesn't happen if its message is toned down.

AnandaHya · Mar 10, 2011

oopsies said:

I think you misunderstand the statement. Admitting that you sin too does not tone down the message and not meant to "fluff or reduce the correction to nothing more than a passing thought" I think people should worry deeply about it and about sin.

Most people think they are going to get an automatic ticket into Heaven, but personally I question that. God wants us to be perfect, My words were meant as a sword or mirror, judgement cuts both ways: Do you think You are perfect? The unspoken/written thing is that YOU SHOULD BE. I think people expect too little out of ourselves and each other.Jesus wants us to be perfect as God is perfect. That is God's strength. Since we are just children and most are still working on solid food, we have mercy to help chew it up for us and pick us up when we fall. However Mercy is only offered to those who truly repent. God is the only one who can see into the heart of sinners and see if they are truly repentant. We are told to play nice with our brothers and sisters and learn our own lessons and how to walk and grow with God.

Don't pull out the plants of hope God has placed in the hearts of His children. Look into tending the garden of your soul be for you try and bulldoze someone else by telling them, they can't be God's children because of _________ blank. Have you ever heard of siblings fighting over ownership of their mom or dad? That is what a lot of the conversation sounds like. I think we might all need to learn to be mature Christians and help water and fertilize our neighbors instead of just picking flowers and leaves off the plants.

Warrior777 · Mar 11, 2011

AnandaHya said:

The Word of God is very clear about this and is already judging these things:

Gal 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Cor 10:6-11
Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. 7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play." 8 Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; 9 nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents; 10 nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer. 11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.

1 Thess 4:3-8
For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality; 4 that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5 not in passion of lust, like the Gentiles who do not know God; 6 that no one should take advantage of and defraud his brother in this matter, because the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also forewarned you and testified. 7 For God did not call us to uncleanness, but in holiness. 8 Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who has also given us His Holy Spirit.

Rom 1:28-32
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

We have a duty to teach and point these things out so that people can be and stay saved. Jesus didn't say not to pull the splinter out of your brother's eye, He said just to get yourself right when you do the same things that you are pointing out in someone else and then help them to get delivered!
Religion is just always using this scripture wrong saying never help anyone with their problem because that is "judging" them... but they are already judged if they do not repent!
Now which is worse, to let them go down this path of destruction in not pointing this out to them for fear of judging them or warning them that they are on the wrong path that could very well lead to eternal damnation? How many people in hell would give everything - right this moment - if someone had pointed this or that out to them, which could have let to repentance and could have kept them from going to this terrible place.

Even now with this:
Those that practice sin (whatever it is), meaning, doing things that are in rebellion to God without repentance and trying to get set free from them and abandon them (like practicing homosexuality in this case in deed or in their heart) are in danger of hell fire and eternal judgment.
This is not popular and especially not politically correct, but it is the truth!

Warrior777

Crabcake · Mar 11, 2011

SaintMoreyDK: My point was that ALL sin is repulsive; abhorrent to God. You cannot be a practicing liar, thief, blasphemer, adulterer, homosexual, etc. etc. and think that you will enter Heaven's Gate. While God offers repentence to us, we must truly repent of our sins and 'change from our evil ways.' Second, there was no need for me to apply Scripture passages as other posters are doing an exemplary job of that and the original poster already confessed to a knowledge of Scripture. At times, an explanation of 'wisdom' cited is often more rehabilitative than tiptoeing around the truth. The truth sets you free, and when people are in bondage to sin, they need the unadultered truth spelled out in plain English - not 400 year old KJV! Have a blessed day!

oopsies · Mar 11, 2011

AnandaHya said:

No, I did not misunderstand but you have. We are made perfect and new already when the Spirit was placed in us but because of sin, we are therefore constantly at war with it. By the way, we are not just "children." All Christians are slaves of Christ. You live on the milk but you haven't gotten to the food. When a baby starts to eat food, it is first fed but gradually, the baby feeds itself. But here you are stuck on the "child" and the "judgment" teachings - unwilling to move on beyond the surface meanings to learn more but staying put where it is comfortable. Not only do you need to be fed milk but when you're fed solid food, you spit it out. So you're still on milk and you need someone to feed you.

Your plant example also doesn't work. I recommend you to research Palestinian viticulture and then read John 15. A gardener prunes branches so that it will grow and produce fruit but the older the branch, the harder it needs to be pruned in order for it to grow fruit. Likewise, if we use your gardening example, then the bulldozing is actually a good thing but you've turned it into a bad thing. When you're planting, quite often, you do need to pull the plants out, put them in a separate pot and then "bulldoze" the soil, break it up, rake it well, fertilize and water it before you place the plants you pulled back into the garden. That way, the plants will grow in greatness. I may not be God but hey, your gardening example puts all Christians in the gardener's shoes. I'm the one doing the bulldozing, right? Oh, and this has nothing to do whether a person is a Christian or not. I haven't told anyone that they can't be "God's [child] because of ______" and I certainly haven't suggested it either.

What you have done is advocate a compromising theology. That way, everyone's happy with what you say, right? It's neither hot nor cold but only lukewarm. Many churches are only now discovering that by advocating only the "love" the "child" the "don't judge" aspects of Christianity for so many years, it is now biting them in the backside. Christianity isn't just those things - it has so many dimensions and learning. What you have done is the equivalent of saying that God is all love and nothing more. The truth is, God can be wrathful, judging, and love. Yes, he is love but that is not the only thing. Yes, we are children of God, yes we shouldn't judge lest we are held to the same standard but if you only focus on those items and learn nothing else, then you've reduced Christianity to a small box - manageable, nothing new to learn.

I also have a good hunch that you don't understand love - you understand love as primarily feelings much like what many people do. From your perspective, to love means not to argue, not to disagree, not to judge - all these are feelings-based because to do any of those would make someone else feel "bad." The reality is, love is that and other things which you don't want to address. But that's another topic for another thread which you are welcome to start.

As for homosexuality, the Bible is clear on it. It is wrong, there's nothing to argue about. But hey, if you want the last word on all of this, go for it. I'm done here and I'll let the Holy Spirit do the rest.

AnandaHya · Mar 11, 2011

oopsies said:

No, I did not misunderstand but you have. We are made perfect and new already when the Spirit was placed in us but because of sin, we are therefore constantly at war with it. By the way, we are not just "children." All Christians are slaves of Christ. You live on the milk but you haven't gotten to the food. When a baby starts to eat food, it is first fed but gradually, the baby feeds itself. But here you are stuck on the "child" and the "judgment" teachings - unwilling to move on beyond the surface meanings to learn more but staying put where it is comfortable. Not only do you need to be fed milk but when you're fed solid food, you spit it out. So you're still on milk and you need someone to feed you.

Your plant example also doesn't work. I recommend you to research Palestinian viticulture and then read John 15. A gardener prunes branches so that it will grow and produce fruit but the older the branch, the harder it needs to be pruned in order for it to grow fruit. Likewise, if we use your gardening example, then the bulldozing is actually a good thing but you've turned it into a bad thing. When you're planting, quite often, you do need to pull the plants out, put them in a separate pot and then "bulldoze" the soil, break it up, rake it well, fertilize and water it before you place the plants you pulled back into the garden. That way, the plants will grow in greatness. I may not be God but hey, your gardening example puts all Christians in the gardener's shoes. I'm the one doing the bulldozing, right? Oh, and this has nothing to do whether a person is a Christian or not. I haven't told anyone that they can't be "God's [child] because of ______" and I certainly haven't suggested it either.

What you have done is advocate a compromising theology. That way, everyone's happy with what you say, right? It's neither hot nor cold but only lukewarm. Many churches are only now discovering that by advocating only the "love" the "child" the "don't judge" aspects of Christianity for so many years, it is now biting them in the backside. Christianity isn't just those things - it has so many dimensions and learning. What you have done is the equivalent of saying that God is all love and nothing more. The truth is, God can be wrathful, judging, and love. Yes, he is love but that is not the only thing. Yes, we are children of God, yes we shouldn't judge lest we are held to the same standard but if you only focus on those items and learn nothing else, then you've reduced Christianity to a small box - manageable, nothing new to learn.

I also have a good hunch that you don't understand love - you understand love as primarily feelings much like what many people do. From your perspective, to love means not to argue, not to disagree, not to judge - all these are feelings-based because to do any of those would make someone else feel "bad." The reality is, love is that and other things which you don't want to address. But that's another topic for another thread which you are welcome to start.

As for homosexuality, the Bible is clear on it. It is wrong, there's nothing to argue about. But hey, if you want the last word on all of this, go for it. I'm done here and I'll let the Holy Spirit do the rest.

the statements in red are very off the mark in that you don't know me or where i'm coming from. My previous post said homosexuality is wrong and I've said and done a lot of things that aren't liked. that is what i'm dealing with right now. I've told the church elders I think the head deacon and sunday school teacher are being tormented by a demon and needs to step down from their position of power in the church and enter christian counseling for the good of the church before their neglectful and prideful behavior causes the church to be closed or someone to be killed or seriously hurt. Trust me people don't want to hear it. that's why i'm online looking for a biblically based community to help me figure out what to do. anyway if anyone actually wants to help find out what the Bible tells us to do, please contact me I need some real Christian counseling and advice.

Ramon · Mar 11, 2011

talitha said:

Anyone of Jesus Christ is NOT of this world, yet in it, and anyone that walks after him DOES NOT sin. And anyone that is born of God has put off old things and ALL THINGS ARE BECOME NEW. Grace is not a cause to sin. The Lord said BE PERFECT even as your father in heaven is perfect. All homosexuals and anyone who does sin will not inherit his kingdom. Repent means to turn from sin and SIN NO MORE. No such thing as a Gay Christian.

Maddog · Mar 11, 2011

Phoebzter said:

The word gay can mean many things to many people. It is necessary and important to define what gay mean to the person you are talking with. FOR EXAMPLE: To one person, gay to them would mean engaging in sexual behaviors with a person of the same-sex. To another person gay could mean having persisting and exclusive attraction to only the same-sex, but not engaging in any sexual behaviors with the same-sex. To another person gay might mean marrying the opposite sex, but still have same-sex attractions. There are various scenarios in between also.

I believe a person can be gay and a true God-fearing believer and Christian if they are experiencing persisting exclusive same-sex attractions, meaning those attractions will most likely never leave them, and are choosing to live a life of celibacy. I do not believe that people choose what they are attracting to. Just as heterosexual did not wake up one day and choose to be attracted to the opposite sex, so a homosexual did not choose to be attracted to the same sex. This does not give justification for people experiencing same-sex attraction to act on their thoughts and attractions, just as someone who is attracted to alcohol or pornography should not act on the impulse to drink, or engage their fantasies. We all have our hidden desires and impulses. I do not believe the attraction itself is a sin. It is what you do with the attraction that becomes a sin.

Good post, I hope it doesn't go unnoticed.

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