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K
With that it's the same as prohibition, how when alcohol was illegal it basically created the mob, however once it was made legal again the mod died because it ran out of money. The same logic can be applied to the drug cartel. What logic is beyond me is why the government spends millions on a drug "war" that we will never win, when if instead they made it legal and taxed people for buying it. Then also used that money to help people in treatment if they want it the amount of wasted money especially now will turn into a surplus of money. In countries that have made drugs legal they find people are willing to enter treatment more and the amount of people actually addicted to drugs goes down. It takes the mystery and feeling of danger that people get out of these things an all in all is better for a country.
As far as using something to feel good, that's why everyone should understand moderation, and when you practice it fully then you don't have to worry about something taking over your life. I drink wine on a daily basis, I have been drunk in total 2 times this year. (Counting a full year from this date not from the start of the calendar year. One of those times I was at a wedding.) If someone lives like I do and lets something be a part of your life but not consume your life then you are living well.
I think that is a level of maturity though that everyone should work on having.
Thanks MaRss. <3
As far as using something to feel good, that's why everyone should understand moderation, and when you practice it fully then you don't have to worry about something taking over your life. I drink wine on a daily basis, I have been drunk in total 2 times this year. (Counting a full year from this date not from the start of the calendar year. One of those times I was at a wedding.) If someone lives like I do and lets something be a part of your life but not consume your life then you are living well.
I think that is a level of maturity though that everyone should work on having.Thanks MaRss. <3
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First, what is a 'spiritually on-fire-for-Jesus Christian'? If you're describing the type of Christian I think you're describing, then I'm not sure I'd necessarily trust their judgement on moral theology.
Second, the question isn't about advocating cannabis, it's about whether or not cannabis use is morally permissable. I'm sure you're astute enough to realise the difference.
And third, For what it's worth I think the answer is fairly obvious too, but I suspect we disagree on what that answer is. Just sayin'.
Second, the question isn't about advocating cannabis, it's about whether or not cannabis use is morally permissable. I'm sure you're astute enough to realise the difference.
And third, For what it's worth I think the answer is fairly obvious too, but I suspect we disagree on what that answer is. Just sayin'.
C
Revelation 3:15-16
15I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth
I think that I would like to be a "Spirtually on fire Christian" and I would also love for everyone I knew to be one.
15I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth
I think that I would like to be a "Spirtually on fire Christian" and I would also love for everyone I knew to be one.
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The mob has always existed. Prohibition just fueled it. Yes, during prohibition less people drank, and even less amounts. Prices just rose, and it became highly profitable for organized crime. People just wanted their alcohol, and ignored what their money went to.
Organized crime will just move to something else that is just as profitable or a little less profitable.
You've provided my answer, to the organized crime moving to other things.
We spend millions to try and eliminate poverty, we should give up because we will never win.
I agree, treatment is better than punishment to start. When do we say, "enough is enough?"
It costs the amount it does now, because it is illegal. Once it's legal, it'll be cheap. Theres not a lot to be made through taxation, when it grows wild.
A common counter to this argument, is that you can make moonshine in a bathtub. Marijuana grows wild in many places of the Midwest and Southern United States, while alcohol doesn't occur naturally to this degree. There is some natural fermentation though.
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In countries that have made drugs legal
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Not one country has fully legalized drugs. There are some who have taken the "tolerance of drugs" route, which typically includes softer drugs, such as Marijuana, and Lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD).
The Netherlands which is notorious for its tolerance of soft drugs, prostitution, and many other not-so-tolerated things here in America, has taken some steps against it.
Amsterdam To Close Many Of Its Brothels, Marijuana Cafes, Sex Shops
This is true.
I wouldn't say the addiction rates go down, but definitely casual use does go down.
To this I agree. See Genesis for a great example. "forbidden fruit"
Not so sure about this. Even in the Netherlands the government recognizes it is a huge social problem. They just focus their time and energy less on it.
Why use Marijuana recreationaly to feel good? Isn't God enough? Notice I said recreationaly, I think if under the guidance of a doctor, it could be used to help with many medical problems, such as aquiring appetite after chemo and radiation.
Drinking small (moderated) amounts of red wine can greatly improve the condition of the heart. Sometimes it can help keep away heart attacks, strokes, aneurysms, and many other circulatory complications. This is a wise thing to do. Yes, it does require maturity to be moderate in consumption.
I don't think recreational use of Marijuana, or any drug is wise. I don't hold a double-standard on "drugs", I personally think we rely too much on "pill-popping" to make us feel good. I'll tough through a headache, unless it gets absolutely unbearable. At that point, I will only take one Tylenol, and not two, as Tylenol's active ingredient has a high potential to harm your liver.
I take a constitutional stance on Marijuana legalization. The United States government at a federal level, has the right to restrict foreign produced drugs to come into this country, through direct acquisition, tariffs, or other constitutional methods. Anything not specifically mentioned in the Constitution, is up to each state to decide how to act. Marijuana and drugs are not addressed in the Federal Constitution, so there for each state has the right to regulate or de-regulate Marijuana and drugs within it's borders, but not outside. Each state can do this through direct means, or through tariffs. If we followed the Constitution 100%, we wouldn't have social issues being debated on the national level. Each state could decide for itself.
California, while I disagree with the idea, they could legalize Marijuana if the citizens wanted to. South Carolina, shouldn't be forced to legalize it though, if they don't want to. If we followed this concept, we would be better off.
Organized crime will just move to something else that is just as profitable or a little less profitable.
You've provided my answer, to the organized crime moving to other things.
We spend millions to try and eliminate poverty, we should give up because we will never win.
I agree, treatment is better than punishment to start. When do we say, "enough is enough?"
It costs the amount it does now, because it is illegal. Once it's legal, it'll be cheap. Theres not a lot to be made through taxation, when it grows wild.
A common counter to this argument, is that you can make moonshine in a bathtub. Marijuana grows wild in many places of the Midwest and Southern United States, while alcohol doesn't occur naturally to this degree. There is some natural fermentation though.
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In countries that have made drugs legal
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Not one country has fully legalized drugs. There are some who have taken the "tolerance of drugs" route, which typically includes softer drugs, such as Marijuana, and Lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD).
The Netherlands which is notorious for its tolerance of soft drugs, prostitution, and many other not-so-tolerated things here in America, has taken some steps against it.
Amsterdam To Close Many Of Its Brothels, Marijuana Cafes, Sex Shops
This is true.
I wouldn't say the addiction rates go down, but definitely casual use does go down.
To this I agree. See Genesis for a great example. "forbidden fruit"
Not so sure about this. Even in the Netherlands the government recognizes it is a huge social problem. They just focus their time and energy less on it.
Why use Marijuana recreationaly to feel good? Isn't God enough? Notice I said recreationaly, I think if under the guidance of a doctor, it could be used to help with many medical problems, such as aquiring appetite after chemo and radiation.
I drink wine on a daily basis, I have been drunk in total 2 times this year. (Counting a full year from this date not from the start of the calendar year. One of those times I was at a wedding.) If someone lives like I do and lets something be a part of your life but not consume your life then you are living well. I think that is a level of maturity though that everyone should work on having.
I think that is a level of maturity though that everyone should work on having.
I don't think recreational use of Marijuana, or any drug is wise. I don't hold a double-standard on "drugs", I personally think we rely too much on "pill-popping" to make us feel good. I'll tough through a headache, unless it gets absolutely unbearable. At that point, I will only take one Tylenol, and not two, as Tylenol's active ingredient has a high potential to harm your liver.
I take a constitutional stance on Marijuana legalization. The United States government at a federal level, has the right to restrict foreign produced drugs to come into this country, through direct acquisition, tariffs, or other constitutional methods. Anything not specifically mentioned in the Constitution, is up to each state to decide how to act. Marijuana and drugs are not addressed in the Federal Constitution, so there for each state has the right to regulate or de-regulate Marijuana and drugs within it's borders, but not outside. Each state can do this through direct means, or through tariffs. If we followed the Constitution 100%, we wouldn't have social issues being debated on the national level. Each state could decide for itself.
California, while I disagree with the idea, they could legalize Marijuana if the citizens wanted to. South Carolina, shouldn't be forced to legalize it though, if they don't want to. If we followed this concept, we would be better off.
M
I think I understand what you mean, but could you spell out, in layman's terms, what you understand it to mean, so as we're not talking past each other? Is it someone who's faith is strong? Or someone who is well versed in Christian dogma? Or both?
My point is, someone could have all the faith in the world, and still be quite wrong on questions of ethics or doctrine, so their judgment of ethical issues may not be reliable, despite them being 'on fire', as it were.
My point is, someone could have all the faith in the world, and still be quite wrong on questions of ethics or doctrine, so their judgment of ethical issues may not be reliable, despite them being 'on fire', as it were.
D
A spiritually on fire for Jesus Christian is someone who loves Christ and is willing to go the extra mile to be a loving example. I dont know what kind of Christian you're talking about, but that's what I thought it meant universally.
Also I'm a little dumbfounded, why are you so bothered about whether I comment about it's moral permissiveness? I'm positive you're aware that I (and many people on threads) are not nessisarily obligated to stay completely on topic if a comment could be relevant or an opinion is shared.
If you disagree with me that's fine, I'm mature enough to have no problems with that.
M
I've only heard terms such as those in evangelical circles. I suppose I've come to associate them with the nutters I found there but maybe I was wrong to do so. But in any case, someone who is loving is not necessarily right on these questions.
I'm not bothered about people straying from the topic, but I dislike red herrings. The only reason I pulled you up on it was because it seemed to be misrepresenting those who think that cannabis use is not intrinsically immoral as people who are actually advocating its use. Seemingly that wasn't your intention so I apologise.
Quite. I just thought it interesting that intelligent people could disagree on something to which the answer is apparently 'obvious'.
I'm not bothered about people straying from the topic, but I dislike red herrings. The only reason I pulled you up on it was because it seemed to be misrepresenting those who think that cannabis use is not intrinsically immoral as people who are actually advocating its use. Seemingly that wasn't your intention so I apologise.
Quite. I just thought it interesting that intelligent people could disagree on something to which the answer is apparently 'obvious'.
D
I represent my opinion, and to me its obvious that it's immoral and it should be obvious to the Christian believer. I dont mind if you disagree with that- its a statement based on fact in my life and others as well as a handful of scriptures that have already been written out in this thread. If you don't like the opinion thats fine, but why make it personal and attack the nature of the comment? Or should I be apologizing for my "red herring" which was stating my opinion in the first place...that you dont agree with?
M
i personally would have to say no one has ever died from an overdose of pot BUT im shure smokeing would dramaticly reduce the lifespan of an average smoker, also pot is an uncleen substance and addictive. i would stay away from something u feel its wrong i mean u knew to come on and ask someone for guidence(besides your friend) so fallow what u beleave the truth is. marijuana is a vice. it does come from the earth but so do parasites and you dont want those in you.
this is for drinking but it comes to mind:
proverbs 23:30
those who linger over wine who go to sample bowls of mixed wine.
do not gaze at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in a cup, when it goes down smooth.
in the end it bytes like a snake and poisons like a viper.
your eyes will see strange sights and your mind imagine confusing things.
you will be like one on high seas, lying on top of the rigging.
"thay will hit me" you will say, "but im not hert! thay beat me, but i do not feel it! when i wake up so can i find another drink?"
there are obstacle on the road of life that many people would plant in your way just try not try stumble
this is for drinking but it comes to mind:
proverbs 23:30
those who linger over wine who go to sample bowls of mixed wine.
do not gaze at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in a cup, when it goes down smooth.
in the end it bytes like a snake and poisons like a viper.
your eyes will see strange sights and your mind imagine confusing things.
you will be like one on high seas, lying on top of the rigging.
"thay will hit me" you will say, "but im not hert! thay beat me, but i do not feel it! when i wake up so can i find another drink?"
there are obstacle on the road of life that many people would plant in your way just try not try stumble
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I find this topic extremely interesting, and im glad to the see the stance that most if not all of hte people writing are taking. I have always been against drugs I dont like the idea of something making me be in a different state and mentality. THe reason I find this interesting is because I just had a talk about wiht my friend who claims he just does it "occasionally". He doesnt understand my viewpoint of why I think its wrong and yet he sees hte problem with alcolhol (after gettin drunk). He doesnt connect that being drunk and being high are the same thing and I wasnt sure how to make that point clearer but thank you...And about drinking im not against it unless your drunk, or if you know you might have a problem with addiction. I'm not sure if thats teh right thing to think but I guess it is what I think.
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you've already gotten alot of answers, but here is another one
alot of people i knew in high school did durgs or drank alot, and yes i put alcohol in my body but no longer do
so, my view is that many times a drug that is not prescribed by a licensed doctor who is there who sustain life at all costs, could be dangerous in any way, physically, mentally, spiritually, in our relationships, but we may not know it at the time, but may suffer later.
so, it is great to make a change and for that change to be long-lastting.
i don't want to sound self--righteous or a purde or anything you want to call me, because i've never put in my body a drug that I wasn't sure I needed by a doctor who went to medical school for 8 years.
so, i don't know what kind of help you are looking for, if that is what you need at this moment, but you'll figure it out, i promise
alot of people i knew in high school did durgs or drank alot, and yes i put alcohol in my body but no longer do
so, my view is that many times a drug that is not prescribed by a licensed doctor who is there who sustain life at all costs, could be dangerous in any way, physically, mentally, spiritually, in our relationships, but we may not know it at the time, but may suffer later.
so, it is great to make a change and for that change to be long-lastting.
i don't want to sound self--righteous or a purde or anything you want to call me, because i've never put in my body a drug that I wasn't sure I needed by a doctor who went to medical school for 8 years.
so, i don't know what kind of help you are looking for, if that is what you need at this moment, but you'll figure it out, i promise