Alex Jones from InfoWars on BBC: appears to be a madman

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RoboOp

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Alex Jones is one of the most well known conspiracy theorists on the internet, with is website Infowars.com.

I listened to this guy some on his website and honestly some of his rants and point just didn't seem very sensible.

Here he is recently, in the UK, on BBC. You need to watch it all the way to the end to see him in his full glory. He appears to be a madman.

[video=youtube;YB7ZaK7Oa88]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YB7ZaK7Oa88[/video]

It seems to me that if he's ever actually right on anything, no one will believe it as long as it's coming from him.
 
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'Appears' is a pejorative term. Anyone can 'appear' to be something.
Jesus appeared to do miracles by Beelzebub from the point of view of the pharisees.
It's funny how the established norms dictate everyone's point of view.
Fit in or else you might stick out.
We wouldn't want that.

- And I'm not a fan of Alex Jones.
His way is crass and raw.
In fact he reminds me of the pig in 'Animal Farm'. (Book, George Orwell)
He may be just that, a voice so loud and offensive that it turns any truth he says into 'by words spoken by that fat fool'. - (That was the purpose for the pig in the book, - read it. A wealth of info. about the dynamics of a controlled society.)
To control a civilization you must take control of the opposition.
In doing so you must make them look so bad and so extreme that no one dares listen to them.
A well known tactic that was used by Esso(Exxon) to control the anti Vietnam war demonstrations.
The Chicago riots during the 1968 democratic convention were fueled and funded by Esso.

The point was to not pay attention to the socialism that was being passed into law, because 'we didn't want to be like those communists who ruin things'.
Piece of cake for those who own the media and the money supply.
- Not hard at all.

This is why Jesus said to "come out of her my people". - The world system is no place for the body of Christ.
We must discern here folks.
 

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It seems to me that if he's ever actually right on anything, no one will believe it as long as it's coming from him.
a-a-a-a-and that's the purpose of disinfo agents.
discredit CR.....and create rabbit holes that go nowhere.
something else i think jones is for - preparing certain ppl who are certain civil war (or war with the gov't is inevitable), while at the same time making visitors or at least commentors at his site easyily marked.

no big deal.

i stopped fearing any of this years ago. makes it all easier.
fear is useless.


i know Christ is coming and this will all be sorted out by HIM.

meantime, i find it all fascinating.

note: many people have said when they began to suspect things like 9-11, alex jones "woke them up" from their stupor, which most people are still in.
and many have come to Christ through being woken up to things not being what they seem.
some say they never considered the possibility of the supernatural even..until they began to see how truly evil some of this is.
it got them thinking about evil...the nature of it.
why it seems to defy what would seem to be reasonable limits on human behavior.
then someone comes along with the Gospel.
 
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zone

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To control a civilization you must take control of the opposition.
and they have.
they run both sides and always have.

that's how you can have NGOs who appear to be environmentalists lobbying gov't to shut down industry.
but when you look closer, you see all that happened was the competition was done away with, leaving the MEGACORPs with monopolies.
 

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Unfortunately people such as Alex Jones, Glen Beck, etc, although they have a lot of good and verifiable information (not to say that all of it is), destroy their message because of their extreme personalities.
 

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Unfortunately people such as Alex Jones, Glen Beck, etc, although they have a lot of good and verifiable information (not to say that all of it is), destroy their message because of their extreme personalities.
but they provide (albeit caricatured) personalities that people can say "oh he's a conservative, or whatever...he's for liberty" and assume everything they say is for "the people".

when they're all just two wings of the same bird.

well, not all...but the big ones are.
nobody who is a threat to the power structure stays on the air (or alive for that matter) for long - without God's protection of purposes.

one guy to look into is this nut:

At the U.N. Summit at Rio in 1992, the Conference Secretary-General, Maurice Strong, said “Isn’t the only hope for this planet that the industrialized civilization collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”


“The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we
came up with
the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages,
famine and the like would fit the bill. The real enemy then is humanity itself.

- From the Club of Rome’s “The First Global Revolution” p. 75 1993
 
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and they have.
they run both sides and always have.(not always)

that's how you can have NGOs who appear to be environmentalists lobbying gov't to shut down industry.
but when you look closer, you see all that happened was the competition was done away with, leaving the MEGACORPs with monopolies.(I agree it is a power grab, but it was not always so)

The system created by the intertwining of peoples and nations was knocked down by God at the tower of Babel.
Sadly a new one is being erected by virtual means.

It is good for peoples, nations, and ethnicities to have much in common.
- Sadly, instead of a system based on each persons welfare it is a system built on means of exchange(money).

Such is life in the days that resemble Noah's, you know.....the days before Christ's coming.

 
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Unfortunately people such as Alex Jones, Glen Beck, etc, although they have a lot of good and verifiable information (not to say that all of it is), destroy their message because of their extreme personalities.
This is an interesting point you make 'Once'.
They fit a stereotype.
Ever played the board game Monopoly? The piece Daddy Warbucks?
As is Rush Limbaugh, all the purveyors of 'so-called' chattle freedom must be fat, over bearing males.
A thin guy or a fat gal wouldn't do.
And they must yell! Those are the two prerequisites, that they must be overweight males and yell.
You see, it fits the stereotype of the over bearing father figure. (Who is dead in satan's new family)
Pater Familias is the State.
No other independent minded man will do....(I mean, look at these!?....are not all of them the same?)

Oh those evil overbearing males!
 
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The thin, effeminate, reasonable men that are major media mouthpieces are reserved to coddle the masses into abject slavery.
Satan is good at what he does.
I mean we are not dealing with a beginner here.
He's had 6000 years.
 
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Luke 14:1....one sabbath, when Jesus went to eat in the house of a prominent Pharisee, He was being carefully watched. Mark 3:21 when His family heard about this, they went to take charge of Him, for they said, 'He is out of His mind.'
 

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I think if I were part of a real conspiracy, maybe I would actually want Alex Jones to expose it, so that no one would believe it (except the people that are easily written off as conspiracy theorists).

I guess he probably does bring out some truths sometimes, or has some elements of truth, albeit maybe buried within a lot of hype that's hard to winnow through?

I only saw some clips on his site and the parts I saw on the particular topics of the day weren't so convincing. But perhaps he does stumble on some real thing sometimes.
 
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I think if I were part of a real conspiracy, maybe I would actually want Alex Jones to expose it, so that no one would believe it (except the people that are easily written off as conspiracy theorists).

I guess he probably does bring out some truths sometimes, or has some elements of truth, albeit maybe buried within a lot of hype that's hard to winnow through?

I only saw some clips on his site and the parts I saw on the particular topics of the day weren't so convincing. But perhaps he does stumble on some real thing sometimes.
that's exactly what gatekeepers do...release some truth....control the rest.
he reveals and covers a lot of truth - on record stuff. easy to confirm.

BUT - you know they're gatekeepers when they never mention the actual perps.

they use words like Illuminati.:rolleyes:
 

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I think if I were part of a real conspiracy, maybe I would actually want Alex Jones to expose it, so that no one would believe it (except the people that are easily written off as conspiracy theorists).

I guess he probably does bring out some truths sometimes, or has some elements of truth, albeit maybe buried within a lot of hype that's hard to winnow through?

I only saw some clips on his site and the parts I saw on the particular topics of the day weren't so convincing. But perhaps he does stumble on some real thing sometimes.
learning to glean what is and is not true, and investigating for yourself what you're not sure of makes any source useful to some degree...including such as CNN...watching blatant propaganda is a good way to get to know what it looks and sounds like.
 
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and many have come to Christ through being woken up to things not being what they seem.
some say they never considered the possibility of the supernatural even..until they began to see how truly evil some of this is.
it got them thinking about evil...the nature of it.
why it seems to defy what would seem to be reasonable limits on human behavior.
then someone comes along with the Gospel.
like i said in the other thread...i have seen the opposite happen...

people who see conspiracies and propaganda everywhere are more likely to eventually feel the need to 'deconstruct' the gospel...label it as propaganda...and form the opinion that christianity is the result of an ancient conspiracy...

given that all of these conspiracy theories essentially come from the same basic thought processes...rejection of the gospel seems more likely to be the rule and the design of conspiracy theory than 'conspiracy research' leading people to christ...
 
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like i said in the other thread...i have seen the opposite happen...

people who see conspiracies and propaganda everywhere(everywhere?) are more likely to eventually feel the need to 'deconstruct' the gospel(what of it? The gospel is sound)...label it as propaganda(No,anyone who honestly studies the bible ends up believing it)...and form the opinion that christianity is the result of an ancient conspiracy...(not at all, truth
will uncover its validity to all those who seek it)


given that all of these conspiracy theories essentially come from the same basic thought processes(it is your thought process that assesses the situation thus)...rejection of the gospel seems more likely to be the rule and the design of conspiracy theory than 'conspiracy research' leading people to christ...(you are wrong)
What a total and complete transference you have made onto others.
Do you think the prophets lightly lived? Don't you know they brooded? Thinking is an asset. Independent thinking is a prerequisite for searching the deep things of life. Don't you know that?
Do you think Isaiah woke up and looked at a poster that said "think happy thoughts"?
Do you think Jeremiah's spirit was girded up by the think positive message that is so popular today?
Why do you think it is so popular? - Give that a think. - (Not to deeply lest you lose your faith)
 
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What a total and complete transference you have made onto others.
Do you think the prophets lightly lived? Don't you know they brooded? Thinking is an asset. Independent thinking is a prerequisite for searching the deep things of life. Don't you know that?
Do you think Isaiah woke up and looked at a poster that said "think happy thoughts"?
Do you think Jeremiah's spirit was girded up by the think positive message that is so popular today?
Why do you think it is so popular? - Give that a think. - (Not to deeply lest you lose your faith)
the thing with the postmodern deconstructionist thought processes that produce conspiracy theories is that they aren't designed to discern truth...objective truth doesn't exist in postmodernism... instead you get to decide what needs to be deconstructed...and you obtain results that inevitably confirm your own biases... you end up in a feedback loop...all because of the subjective nature of these thought processes...

if you are unshakably convinced of the soundness of the gospel...great...you will not feel that the gospel is in need of deconstruction and you will have that preconception confirmed in your 'conspiracy research'

if you are unconvinced of the soundness of the gospel...then a 'deconstruction' of the gospel may yield results that confirm your initial lack of conviction... if you have rejected the gospel...your 'conspiracy research' will affirm that rejection... if you are a seeker...your 'conspiracy research' may leave you with the impression that what you are seeking is not to be found in christ... if you are a christian who was struggled with doubt...you may find your doubts multiplied by your 'conspiracy research'...

the main thing i keep going back to is that the same methodology of postmodern deconstruction drives both the belief that christianity is an ancient conspiracy...and all other conspiracy theory... the only difference between those who regard christianity as a conspiracy and you is that they believe in one more conspiracy than you do...the reason they came to a different conclusion about christianity from yours is only that they began with a different prejudice...
 
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the thing with the postmodern deconstructionist thought processes that produce conspiracy theories is that they aren't designed to discern truth...objective truth doesn't exist in postmodernism... instead you get to decide what needs to be deconstructed...and you obtain results that inevitably confirm your own biases... you end up in a feedback loop...all because of the subjective nature of these thought processes...

if you are unshakably convinced of the soundness of the gospel...great...you will not feel that the gospel is in need of deconstruction and you will have that preconception confirmed in your 'conspiracy research'

if you are unconvinced of the soundness of the gospel...then a 'deconstruction' of the gospel may yield results that confirm your initial lack of conviction... if you have rejected the gospel...your 'conspiracy research' will affirm that rejection... if you are a seeker...your 'conspiracy research' may leave you with the impression that what you are seeking is not to be found in christ... if you are a christian who was struggled with doubt...you may find your doubts multiplied by your 'conspiracy research'...

the main thing i keep going back to is that the same methodology of postmodern deconstruction drives both the belief that christianity is an ancient conspiracy...and all other conspiracy theory... the only difference between those who regard christianity as a conspiracy and you is that they believe in one more conspiracy than you do...the reason they came to a different conclusion about christianity from yours is only that they began with a different prejudice...
But your premise that anyone who seeks deeper meaning is a postmodern deconstructionist is wrong.
First, the term "postmodern deconstruction' defines a worldview in which there is no God.
So, of course anyone holding these beliefs are from the start, atheists.
So as long as you bandy the term I will agree with you wholeheartedly. All postmodern deconstructionists don't believe in God or a god. The definition makes that clear.
Why you attach it to people who delve into the reasons why things are the way they are is past me.
The term 'Conspiracy Theory' is itself a code word to erect barriers in the mind. - 'Don't go there'.
Like a gate that can't be opened. Like a mind barrier.
Postmodern Deconstructionists tend to be well off people who are living high in the society.
None have the slightest interest in upsetting the applecart. It works for them, they don't need anything else.
This tends to be the type that is most drawn to 'postmodern deconstructionism'.

Those seeking deeper meaning are almost never atheists.(Postmodern Deconstructionalists)
Infact, it is almost impossible to see reality and not believe in spiritual influences.
A postmodern deconstructionist would never bother to do that.

I think you are mistaken in your assessment of people.
 
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But your premise that anyone who seeks deeper meaning is a postmodern deconstructionist is wrong.
First, the term "postmodern deconstruction' defines a worldview in which there is no God.
So, of course anyone holding these beliefs are from the start, atheists.
So as long as you bandy the term I will agree with you wholeheartedly. All postmodern deconstructionists don't believe in God or a god. The definition makes that clear.
Why you attach it to people who delve into the reasons why things are the way they are is past me.
The term 'Conspiracy Theory' is itself a code word to erect barriers in the mind. - 'Don't go there'.
Like a gate that can't be opened. Like a mind barrier.
Postmodern Deconstructionists tend to be well off people who are living high in the society.
None have the slightest interest in upsetting the applecart. It works for them, they don't need anything else.
This tends to be the type that is most drawn to 'postmodern deconstructionism'.

Those seeking deeper meaning are almost never atheists.(Postmodern Deconstructionalists)
Infact, it is almost impossible to see reality and not believe in spiritual influences.
A postmodern deconstructionist would never bother to do that.

I think you are mistaken in your assessment of people.
ok first of all you don't seem to understand postmodernism very well...postmodernism does not require atheism...and in fact most atheists are modernists and most postmodernists are not atheists...

the primary tenet of postmodernism is denial of the existence of objective truth...this does not mean denial of the existence of God... in postmodernism you can still subjectively affirm the existence of God...

the postmodernist view of God usually involves him being subjectively knowable...so that you are free to choose your own God...your own truth...your own morality...or even invent them yourself if none of the existing ones suit you...and it will all be considered equally valid by the postmodernist... it is the 'all ways lead to God' philosophy...

going even further...a person can believe in objective truth...even believing in the christian God and that christ is the only way and truth...and -still- use the method of postmodern deconstructionism...all it takes is a little intellectual inconsistency...

it is sort of like listening to music while denying that sound waves exist...you will be holding to two contradictory sets of assumptions...

what conspiracy theorists are doing is similar...using a postmodernist methodology while denying the first principle of their own methodology... eventually they will either suffer a mental collapse from the intellectual strain of operating in two contradictory worldviews at the same time...or they will start to insist on consistency...

when you demand self consistency only two things can happen...either you will reject conspiracy theory and all of its postmodern foundations...or you will take conspiracy theory to its logical conclusion and 'deconstruct' christianity...

the 'zeitgeist' people are wrong...but at least they are consistent...

if you really want to research something...look into the pervasive overlap between conspiracy theory and the new age movement...
 
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Here is the definition of it:

Postmodern Theology – Theory of Deconstruction


If God is dead, the belief that there is no ultimate reality or eternal truth becomes a philosophical necessity. A firm believer in this, Derrida concluded further that words and sentences have no inherent meaning. He insisted that human beings construct reality through their use of language. In other words, as you read this page, you will construct your own meaning shaped by your culture and life experiences. The author’s meaning is thus “deconstructed” or altered by the reader. In other words, the author’s meaning becomes captive to the reader. As Ward says, “Deconstruction is a [literary] method of reading which effectively turns texts against themselves.”[SUP]1[/SUP]

For example, according to Derrida’s theory of deconstruction, the Bible is merely a book written by men who were locked in their own culture, experiences, and language. Thus, the Biblical authors were writing about their own subjective experiences, not communicating objective or eternal truths about God and humanity. Therefore, when someone reads the Bible today, he or she brings a personal interpretive grid to the text. The theory of deconstruction can thus be used to explain how some cultures can read the Bible and proceed to slaughter another race, while other cultures reading the same Bible build hospitals, schools, orphanages, and homeless shelters.

Postmodern Theology – “The Death of God” Theologians
Derrida’s theory of deconstruction influenced a group of theologians in 1960s England. Bishop John A.T. Robinson in his book Honest to God sought to explain what it meant to be a Christian in the Postmodern world. This group became known as the “Death of God” theologians. According to Graham Ward, these theologians[SUP]2[/SUP] saw “the potential of [Derrida’s] deconstruction for furthering their project of announcing the end of theology [the death of God].”[SUP]3[/SUP]

The “death of God” theologians fastened onto Derrida’s idea that words refer only to other words in a textual setting and cannot be used to describe external realities such as God. They therefore claimed that God is not the Supreme Being who is literally “up there” in heaven somewhere, but instead we should think of God as being “out there” in a spiritual sense. God is “there” when we love another person, and this becomes the main Christian message. In this sense, the traditional concept of God ruling over His Creation is lifeless.[SUP]4[/SUP]

Alister McGrath in The Twilight of Atheism speaks of the relationship between Postmodernism, atheism, and deconstruction. He says, “Many Postmodern writers are, after all, atheist (at least in the sense of not actively believing in God). The very idea of deconstruction seems to suggest that the idea of God ought to be eliminated from Western culture as a power play on the part of churches and others with vested interests in its survival.”[SUP]5[/SUP] Derrida also supposed that the Western powers, because of their belief in the existence of God, went off the edge toward violence. However, this notion is far off base. The three “isms” of the 20th century responsible for the slaughter of tens of millions[SUP]6[/SUP] (Communism, Nazism, and Fascism) were not exactly bastions of theism and Christianity. As a matter of fact, all three were grounded in atheism, evolution, and socialism—the very stuff of Postmodernism.

Seems simple to me. You are relegating whole hosts of people into this category, (prejudging them)

By one fact (conspiracy theorist) which isn't uniform or universal.

You make leaps into deep analysis as if all are the same; like a breed of dog.

You have built a notion into an hypothesis, and then into a theory.

But you are over simplifying the complexity of the human soul in so doing.

Don't get me wrong, your theory is great if people were commodities.

But you overlook the complexity of the human soul, which is made in God's image. - That, no one can map out.

Plus your assumptions concerning their psyche has got to have a base line. - A 'Y' and an 'X' if you will.

This baseline in purely and utterly subjective. So any "data" collected is scewed to the established norm, - which is subjective.

I am using mathematical terms to show you how entirely subjective and happenstance your data is - (or would be).

It is an error to suppose all think the same way because they may have suspicions.

Think about it: suspicion(alarm) can over take anybody at anytime.

You have over simplified the complexity of the human mind. - Which is a very dangerous practice. - (See Nazi)


 
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Cashing in on paranoia.