I will try to make this short and sweet, rather than dazzle people with many words.
Mathew 24:29-31
The Coming of the Son of Man
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Notice scripture says, Immediately after the tribulation, NOT, immediately before the tribulation. When does Jesus come? Well, my bible says, IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATON! At this point there is no debate, but I will continue.
Morning Kinda!
The reference to "Immediately after the tribulation" is when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. It has nothing to do with the gathering of the church. In fact, Revelation 19:14 shows the bride/church following Christ out of heaven on white horses. So, to have the church gathered when Christ returns to the earth to end the age would be true magic act, since the church is seen following the Lord out of heaven.
Do you think that by what I am teaching that I have not gone over these scriptures that you are presenting? If I hadn't, then I would have no right to to teach these things. But I assure that I have gone over them inside and out more times than I can remember and continue to do so. That said, Matthew 24:29-31 that you have listed above, is in reference to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. You along with many others have mistakenly used v.31 as representing the gathering of the church by angels, which it is not. This is why I said that you need to understand that there is a difference between the event of the gathering of the church vs. the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. Here you are misinterpreting Matthew 24:30-31 as referring to the gathering of the church, which is incorrect. Until you understand that they are two separate events, your interpretation of the end times will always be in error.
When the Lord returns to the earth to end the age after the tribulation, He will send out His angels to the four corners of the earth to gather
living people, i.e. those great tribulation saints who will have made it alive through the tribulation period. But before that happens and which is not mentioned in Matt.24:31, is that the angels will
first collect the weeds/wicked.
"The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
"‘At that time I will tell the harvesters:
First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’
So, Matthew 24:31 has the angels gathering the wheat/righteous at the Lord's coming, but doesn't mention that the angels will first gather the wicked. And if you can except it, those weeds that the angels collect are the "ones taken" of the parable.
In addition, that "great sound of a trumpet" mentioned in Matthew 24:31 is not the same trumpet as the "last trumpet' that Paul mentions in I Corinthians 15:52. They are two different trumpets. People usually do this by pigeonholing the word trumpet.
Also, I would point out that, when the Lord appears to call up the dead and the living, angels do not go out and gather them. The dead will rise from their graves in power, immortal and glorified and that by the Lord whose voice will sound like a trumpet saying "come up here." Then those in Christ who are still alive when the resurrection takes place, will be transformed immortal and glorified in the blink of an eye and will be caught up with those who will have just been resurrected. At this point the entire church will meet the Lord in the air and He will then take us back to the Father's house to those places that He went to prepare for us, as promised in John 14:1-3
This is why I continue to remind you that, you need to include all related scriptural information in order to come to a right conclusion.
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1 Corinthians 15:51-52
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
Matthew 24:30-31
Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth c will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. d 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
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The two scriptures above are referring to two different events:
1 Corinthians 15:51-53 = The gathering of the church
Matthew 24:30-31 = The Lord's return to the earth to end the age
So, if the timing is at the last trump, there must be trumpet sounds before the last right? Seems logical. I'm trying to think where trumps are mentioned in the Bible. Hmm. Could it be in Revelation?
Revelation 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
I was wondering when you were going to mention the false teaching of the 7th trumpet judgment as being the last trumpet. I have gone over this so many times with others before you claiming that the 7th trumpet and the last trumpet as being the same. All you are doing is repeating the false teachings that are out there. You have two major problems with this claim.
1). The trumpet judgments (along with the seals and the bowls), are all apart of God's wrath, which the church is not appointed to suffer. Therefore, the church cannot be on the earth while the trumpets are being blown. In fact, the church must be gathered prior to the first seal being opened which initiates God's wrath. If the church was gathered at the sounding of the 7th trumpet, that would mean that the church will have gone through all of the seals and the previous trumpets of wrath. The time of God's wrath is a barrier that the church cannot cross. This teaching should be first and foremost. It should deflect any other claims. It is a legal precedent that the church cannot enter into God's wrath. It would mean that Jesus suffered God's wrath for nothing.
2). That gathering of the church is a great blessing, where the 7th trumpet is wrath. In fact, the 7th trumpet, also referred to as the third woe, is when Satan and his angels are thrown out of heaven and restricted to the earth.
"Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”
A whole lot of judgement happened happened in the prior 6 trumpets, you could even call those trumpets the tribulation time period.
All of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments represent the tribulation/great tribulation period, the time of God's wrath. And since Jesus already took upon himself God's wrath that every believer deserves, satisfying it completely, then the wrath of God no longer rests upon the those who believe. The church cannot be on the earth during the time of God's wrath and that includes the 7th trumpet.
The pre-tribulation rapture has now been proven incorrect, false, and not in accordance with scripture. Will leave a video for those who like to learn more.
Nothing that you have written above has proven that the pre-tribulation gathering of the church as being incorrect. If anything, I have proven it to be correct, for I have revealed the errors of your claims. The fact that you are leaving a video done by someone else is my point of adopting the false teachings of men. Your conclusions should come from scripture alone, based on your own findings and not on someone else's teachings.[/quote]