Leftist Thinking Is The Most Destructive Element In Existence

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posthuman

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#41
Good point - definitely high on the list...
i was thinking about that earlier, and i don't know that it's always this way but -- vanity leads to unbelief, and unbelief leads to lack of knowledge :unsure:
 

posthuman

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#42
i was thinking about that earlier, and i don't know that it's always this way but -- vanity leads to unbelief, and unbelief leads to lack of knowledge :unsure:
does it work the other way too, that ignorance can produce unbelief and unbelief, vanity?
 

posthuman

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#43
The question of God usually isn't a scientific question.
isn't "taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the man who trusts in Him" an invitation to consider observational evidence?
put your trust in Him; test the hypothesis :)

((Psalm 34:8))
 

Dino246

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#44
A typical leftist transference.

If you are understood ....well, change your values...that will help.
I don't know why you feel it necessary to vent your inner jackdonkey in my direction, but you are so far off base that you're playing cricket in the next county. You know nothing about me, and given the attitude you're displaying, I have no interest in knowing any more about you.
 

Desdichado

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#45
A very good question. I've seen people maul each other over it on another board.

I think it has more to do with the kind of ignorance rather than the degree.

does it work the other way too, that ignorance can produce unbelief and unbelief, vanity?
 

Blade

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Great points OP. On each point we can find the web site the video. Take this summer what does the left say vs the right? One side two in office "it will keep happening and should". That alone all should be against that and speak up but nothing.

We look at America and over the years how GOD has been pushed out of everything. Abortion alone kills 42% of all deaths in the world. At some point these sins will reach to high and God will have to act. Biden/Harris did we hear the prayer in Congress the other day?

And I am on a Christian site " jackdonkey" <--- this being said to another believer. As if saying it a different way is ok. Its not my kid your talking about. As Christ will say to some (not us yet true none the less) if you've done it to the least of these my brethren you've done it unto me. In case we don't know ME is Jesus Christ. We forget how HOLY JUST He is.
 

posthuman

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#48
Situation Ethics is was never practiced by Jesus - He never once deviated from legit commandments or principles
what does it mean that when His disciples were "harvesting" some kernels of grain on the sabbath ((Matthew 12, Mark 2)), eating as they passed through a field, He answered the Pharisees accusation by pointing out that David & his men ate shewbread ((1 Samuel 21)), which was explicitly unlawful according to the commandment ((Leviticus 24)) ?

this isn't situational ethics?
((i agree, it's not -- so what is it?))

this is a really amazing text, because Jesus does not deny the accusation that they are violating the sabbath -- He answers with two examples of people breaking the commandments, but the people being innocent, says if they understood '
I desire mercy rather than sacrifice' they would not condemn the guiltless, and declares that He is Lord of the sabbath, which was made for man, not man for it. WOW :eek:
 

Desdichado

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#49
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

what does it mean that when His disciples were "harvesting" some kernels of grain on the sabbath ((Matthew 12, Mark 2)), eating as they passed through a field, He answered the Pharisees accusation by pointing out that David & his men ate shewbread ((1 Samuel 21)), which was explicitly unlawful according to the commandment ((Leviticus 24)) ?

this isn't situational ethics?
((i agree, it's not -- so what is it?))

this is a really amazing text, because Jesus does not deny the accusation that they are violating the sabbath -- He answers with two examples of people breaking the commandments, but the people being innocent, says if they understood 'I desire mercy rather than sacrifice' they would not condemn the guiltless, and declares that He is Lord of the sabbath, which was made for man, not man for it. WOW :eek:
 
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what does it mean that when His disciples were "harvesting" some kernels of grain on the sabbath ((Matthew 12, Mark 2)), eating as they passed through a field, He answered the Pharisees accusation by pointing out that David & his men ate shewbread ((1 Samuel 21)), which was explicitly unlawful according to the commandment ((Leviticus 24)) ? this isn't situational ethics?
The Jewish leaders wrongly defined plucking grain to eat as "harvesting" -- if it was against the Law of Moses, Jesus would have told them not to do it.
this is a really amazing text, because Jesus does not deny the accusation that they are violating the sabbath -- He answers with two examples of people breaking the commandments, but the people being innocent, says if they understood 'I desire mercy rather than sacrifice' they would not condemn the guiltless, and declares that He is Lord of the sabbath, which was made for man, not man for it. WOW :eek:
Many claim this text proves Situation Ethics because they make the fatal assumption that Jesus condoned what David did. God never condones the violation of His laws, and just because He exercises mercy towards us when we do violate them should never lead us to think He condones it.

Jesus wasn't pronouncing David innocent for defiling the temple and violating it laws -- that was a capital offense -- He was pointing out the hypocrisy of the Jewish leaders who had zero problem with how their beloved King David defiled their precious temple and violated their precious ceremonial laws, but daily plotted the murder of "One greater than the temple" -- Jesus -- Who was "holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners."
 

posthuman

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#51
Many claim this text proves Situation Ethics because they make the fatal assumption that Jesus condoned what David did. God never condones the violation of His laws, and just because He exercises mercy towards us when we do violate them should never lead us to think He condones it.

Jesus wasn't pronouncing David innocent for defiling the temple and violating it laws -- that was a capital offense -- He was pointing out the hypocrisy of the Jewish leaders who had zero problem with how their beloved King David defiled their precious temple and violated their precious ceremonial laws, but daily plotted the murder of "One greater than the temple" -- Jesus -- Who was "holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners."
if David was guilty here of sin unto death then why does He say if you had understood "I desire mercy rather than sacrifice" you would not have condemned the innocent ?

how does the requirement of the law that the priests "desecrate the sabbath" fit with, as you call it, an example of David doing something worthy of condemnation & death?
should all the priests who served in the temple be killed for faithfully carrying out the "
precious ceremonial laws" that God Himself ordained to take place on sabbath?


that's your explanation? Jesus is telling them they should stone to death the priests for doing the things the Law requires them to do, instead of harassing Him? that David was in sin, but God overlooked it? that God's own law requires the priests to sin, but God overlooks it?
so how is that an answer to the Pharisees? if your position is that Jesus is giving them examples of sin being overlooked, then isn't the implication of your position that Christ is admitting the disciples are sinning, but it should be overlooked?

hmm.
 

JaumeJ

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#52
We are blessed because our Father does not impute to us the guilt of our sin as written.

sa 32:1 A Psalm of David, Maschil. Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
Psa 32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
Psa 32:3 When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.
Psa 32:4 For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah.
Psa 32:5 I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.
Psa 32:6 For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found: surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him.
Psa 32:7 Thou art my hiding place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance. Selah.
Psa 32:8 I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.
Psa 32:9 Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.
Psa 32:10 Many sorrows shall be to the wicked: but he that trusteth in the LORD, mercy shall compass him about.
Psa 32:11 Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart.
 
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No matter if the topic at hand has to do with politics, science, education, social issues, or religion, Leftism is like a destructive, malignant cancer that spreads throughout these arenas of ideas, infecting both spectators and participants with deadly consequences.

Regarding politics, one need look no further than the events of the 2020 U.S. Presidential election - what an absolute destruction of all that is Constitutional and lawful. Congress, the Judiciary, and every single alphabet agency has been exposed as either sympathetic to - or too cowardly to resist - the tyranny of communism, the ultimate leftist ideology.

Regarding science, in the past, members of the atheistic scientific community admitted their motivation to erase God through (false) science had to do with God "getting in the way of our hedonistic desires" - so, disprove the existence of God, then with a clear conscious pursue whatever depraved, licentious desire you fancy. Did you know the "father of Artificial Intelligence", Marvin Minsky, was on Jeffery Epstein's "Lolita Express" flight logs?

Regarding education, leftists have taken control of education at every level and have eradicated the teaching of Civics and replaced it with Social Justice, Liberation Theology, 1619 Project, etc., all based on distorted facts/outright lies about history, economics, political agendas, and the development of the U.S. and its contribution to modern society.

Regarding social issues, the left continually seeks to place blame for the lack of economic, educational, and societal success of certain minorities in the U.S. squarely on the shoulders of Anglo-Americans, refusing to allow as a point of discussion the absolute, undeniable, well documented root cause of these failures: the destruction of the minority family unit through government welfare dependency programs, the architects of which being the leftists themselves.

Regarding religion, leftist thinking has replaced the Biblical axioms of "Speak, Lord; for thy servant heareth" and "not My will by Thy will" with endless rounds of rationalism, higher criticism, sympathy toward existentialism, situation ethics - every mechanism you can dream of in order to question what is plainly stated in the Word of God, often resulting in interpretations that are the antithesis of what God originally said.

Alas, the problem of leftist thinking will ever be with us as "the wheat and tares grow together" - and we must pray for patience in dealing with Christian leftists, lest we uproot them and bring upon ourselves the displeasure of a God Who loves them as much as He loves anyone else. It's easy to love the truth...the challenge we must face and overcome is to love the brethren.
When i read what you posted the first thing that came to my mind is do i dare post my beliefs on this subject.
What i believe the Lord has shown me in these matters?.....because somtimes the truth hurts.

What you have posted is so true but are the results of leftist (as you call it) thinking and not the cause.
The church failed to discern the sign of the times back when this evil raised its ugly head and rose to a political spot light
Substituting tolerance for patients
We are called to preach the good news but also to pursue the righteousness of God.
We remained silent and called for Gods judgement becoming the sons of thunder rather than the peace makers.
Instead of being that house of prayer we gave voice in the streets resulting in violence in some cases misrepresenting God.
Instead of lending a helping hand to those afflicted we chose to turn our backs and judge.
We are not of this world but are called to occupy untill our king comes. To make way.
What good is the authority Jesus gave us if we fail to act on it?
If we were given Authority to remove mountains then why haven't we?
The people of God need to repent and return to their first love. We will always have this way of thinking this kind of mentality but what will our testimony be against such things?
 

Blain

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#54
No matter if the topic at hand has to do with politics, science, education, social issues, or religion, Leftism is like a destructive, malignant cancer that spreads throughout these arenas of ideas, infecting both spectators and participants with deadly consequences.

Regarding politics, one need look no further than the events of the 2020 U.S. Presidential election - what an absolute destruction of all that is Constitutional and lawful. Congress, the Judiciary, and every single alphabet agency has been exposed as either sympathetic to - or too cowardly to resist - the tyranny of communism, the ultimate leftist ideology.

Regarding science, in the past, members of the atheistic scientific community admitted their motivation to erase God through (false) science had to do with God "getting in the way of our hedonistic desires" - so, disprove the existence of God, then with a clear conscious pursue whatever depraved, licentious desire you fancy. Did you know the "father of Artificial Intelligence", Marvin Minsky, was on Jeffery Epstein's "Lolita Express" flight logs?

Regarding education, leftists have taken control of education at every level and have eradicated the teaching of Civics and replaced it with Social Justice, Liberation Theology, 1619 Project, etc., all based on distorted facts/outright lies about history, economics, political agendas, and the development of the U.S. and its contribution to modern society.

Regarding social issues, the left continually seeks to place blame for the lack of economic, educational, and societal success of certain minorities in the U.S. squarely on the shoulders of Anglo-Americans, refusing to allow as a point of discussion the absolute, undeniable, well documented root cause of these failures: the destruction of the minority family unit through government welfare dependency programs, the architects of which being the leftists themselves.

Regarding religion, leftist thinking has replaced the Biblical axioms of "Speak, Lord; for thy servant heareth" and "not My will by Thy will" with endless rounds of rationalism, higher criticism, sympathy toward existentialism, situation ethics - every mechanism you can dream of in order to question what is plainly stated in the Word of God, often resulting in interpretations that are the antithesis of what God originally said.

Alas, the problem of leftist thinking will ever be with us as "the wheat and tares grow together" - and we must pray for patience in dealing with Christian leftists, lest we uproot them and bring upon ourselves the displeasure of a God Who loves them as much as He loves anyone else. It's easy to love the truth...the challenge we must face and overcome is to love the brethren.
I will agree that it was beyond obvious what the democrats were up to when they pushed for mail in voting I have brain damage and a learning disability and even I saw clearly what they were planning, as for stances on being riught or left I am neither I believe in balence and in a personality test I was in the middle the issue is that democrates have lost their way and now resort to schemeing and desiring utter control which sadly worked
But there is a difference between your train of thouyght and the actions you take I know many democrats who are actually very amazing people however politics in general is mans game not God's it is simply mans way of thinking and creating and running the world they live in, we as believers I think have put to much stock in politics a system of the world but the politics of God is amazingly different than the system we have made which is why we are in the world but not of it.

Sadly they democrats have complete control of the country now and trust me it is going to get bad really bad but even in 2020 when trump still had a chance to win I said this was not going to be a good year and mark my words you will see why.
However the fact they had to cheat their way intp power means they are not fit for power and since when has God ever let someone not fit for power remain in that position? Trust me they will reap what they sowed and it won't be pretty
 

Nehemiah6

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Trust me they will reap what they sowed and it won't be pretty
That is correct. We should never forget what happened to the wicked Herod who tried to destroy the Christians:

ACTS 12: WICKED HEROD STRUCK DOWN FOR PRESUMPTION
19 And when Herod had sought for him, and found him not, he examined the keepers, and commanded that they should be put to death. And he went down from Judaea to Caesarea, and there abode.
20 And Herod was highly displeased with them of Tyre and Sidon: but they came with one accord to him, and, having made Blastus the king's chamberlain their friend, desired peace; because their country was nourished by the king's country.
21 And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them.
22 And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man.
23 And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.
24 But the word of God grew and multiplied.
 
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if David was guilty here of sin unto death then why does He say if you had understood "I desire mercy rather than sacrifice" you would not have condemned the innocent ? how does the requirement of the law that the priests "desecrate the sabbath" fit with, as you call it, an example of David doing something worthy of condemnation & death?
should all the priests who served in the temple be killed for faithfully carrying out the "
precious ceremonial laws" that God Himself ordained to take place on sabbath? that's your explanation? Jesus is telling them they should stone to death the priests for doing the things the Law requires them to do, instead of harassing Him? that David was in sin, but God overlooked it? that God's own law requires the priests to sin, but God overlooks it? so how is that an answer to the Pharisees? if your position is that Jesus is giving them examples of sin being overlooked, then isn't the implication of your position that Christ is admitting the disciples are sinning, but it should be overlooked? hmm.
Look, this isn't that difficult. If God want's to make an exception to His Sabbath law (an exception that He clearly defines in His law so as to prevent mischief on our part) such as allowing priests to perform their work of intercession on Sabbath, that's His business. Jesus' words in Matthew 12:1-8 KJV can only be interpreted as and expose' of Jewish hypocrisy, because otherwise you're insisting God subjugate His infinite wisdom to flawed human reasoning whenever they demonstrate a lack of faith. Guess what infamous organization proudly exalts human reasoning above God?

"And God Himself is obliged to abide by the judgment of His priests, and either not to pardon or to pardon, according as they refuse or give absolution...The sentence of the priest precedes, and God subscribes to it."
-- Dignities and Duties of the (Catholic) Priest.

Besides, the only thing Jesus did more than preach the Gospel was expose Jewish hypocrisy, and for certain He was never in the business of clothing sin with the dignity of righteousness in order to accommodate our weakness.
 
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When i read what you posted the first thing that came to my mind is do i dare post my beliefs on this subject.
What i believe the Lord has shown me in these matters?.....because somtimes the truth hurts.

What you have posted is so true but are the results of leftist (as you call it) thinking and not the cause.
The church failed to discern the sign of the times back when this evil raised its ugly head and rose to a political spot light
Substituting tolerance for patients
We are called to preach the good news but also to pursue the righteousness of God.
We remained silent and called for Gods judgement becoming the sons of thunder rather than the peace makers.
Instead of being that house of prayer we gave voice in the streets resulting in violence in some cases misrepresenting God.
Instead of lending a helping hand to those afflicted we chose to turn our backs and judge.
We are not of this world but are called to occupy untill our king comes. To make way.
What good is the authority Jesus gave us if we fail to act on it?
If we were given Authority to remove mountains then why haven't we?
The people of God need to repent and return to their first love. We will always have this way of thinking this kind of mentality but what will our testimony be against such things?
The true church has not always floundered - during the Protestant Reformation, some of the greatest Gospel victories were won. The reason Christianity is in such dire straits today is because too many people want Jesus as their Savior "in" their sin (instead of "from" their sin) but want nothing to do with Him as Lord to be obeyed. I call it Saccharine Sentimentalism -- it's just a lotta noise and vain worship on Sundays, where the commandments of men are taught as Biblical doctrine.
 

JaumeJ

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Our Father allows all heads of state to be in each's perspective post, however this does not construe that our Father favors such.
Most times these so-called leaders are put into position by their subjects or citizens.
Does anyone here believe that all historic leaders have been appointed by and approved of by our Father?
Is our Father to the left or to the right?
Are people barred from believing the Father because of their political or governmental leanings?
Anyone who has a worldly political stance which is before the Kingdom or controlling allegiance to Jesus-Yeshua is yet blinded by his or her own set of laws.
We are at a point in our Maker's will where mankind has put the dealings of this material existence into the direct prophetic actuation given us to understand from the Word.
At this point, it is not mete to be bogged down by any political persuasion and to get on track with Our Father and what His prophets have taught us, and He Himself of course.
World political views should never hinder the faith nor the judgment of the family in Jesus-Yeshua.
Remaining in the Lord is our only occupation and goal.