No, the earth is not flat.

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Cameron143

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Is it not an miracle? You live on a flat earth and I live on an earth which is a sphere.
And still we are on the same Planet.
You are asking this of a guy who has a chicken on his head?
 

Moses_Young

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Is it not an miracle? You live on a flat earth and I live on an earth which is a sphere.
And still we are on the same Planet.
Just because you believe something to be doesn't make it so. I think we've already been through this - lots of people believed the covid-19 bio-weapon was a vaccine. They sincerely believed this, but they were sincerely wrong. The evidence was never on their side, although the dollars and propaganda were (hence their belief in something false). But dollars and propaganda funding a belief do not a reality make it.
 

wolfwint

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Just because you believe something to be doesn't make it so. I think we've already been through this - lots of people believed the covid-19 bio-weapon was a vaccine. They sincerely believed this, but they were sincerely wrong. The evidence was never on their side, although the dollars and propaganda were (hence their belief in something false). But dollars and propaganda funding a belief do not a reality make it.
Well, i kick the Ball back. Just because you believe something to be doesnt make it so.
Lots of people belueve that the covid vaccine was a bioweapon. They sincererely believed this, but they were sincerely wrong.
Live on your flat earth and I live on a sphere earth. Its the same Planet!
 

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As someone who worked at developing flight simulators for fighter pilots that cost many tens of millions of $ decades ago I can 100% confirm that to give pilots an accurate representation of the real thing, the earth's curvature is part of the math.

I understand that we live in a world of lies as satan, the god of this world, is the father of lies. We have been lied to about excess deaths during covid and excess deaths now and about most important topics. Not everyone has the same gifts from God and it's understandable that those who aren't natural mathematicians would assume lies about the earth's shape too.

Those who say the earth is flat to make Christians look bad... may God have mercy on your soul.

Those who say the earth is flat because they sincerely interpret God's word as stating that... God bless you.

Who knows, God being outside of time does not experience the space time continuum as we do in our physical reality so perhaps the earth appears as flat in his realm.
 

GaryA

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As someone who worked at developing flight simulators for fighter pilots that cost many tens of millions of $ decades ago I can 100% confirm that to give pilots an accurate representation of the real thing, the earth's curvature is part of the math.
What part(s) of it did you work at/on/with - mechanical? hydraulic? pneumatic? electrical? electronic? [computer] hardware? firmware? software?

Those who say the earth is flat because they sincerely interpret God's word as stating that... God bless you.
Thank you. That is at least a better and nicer way to respond than the usual:

"The word of God does not say that! And, even if it does, I am not going to believe it! Nor am I going to lift a finger to study it to find out [what the Bible really actually says]! I just know that it is not true!"

:rolleyes:

(This "quote" is meant to illustrate/reflect the attitude that seems to come across rather than the actual words said.)
 

GaryA

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"The word of God does not say that! And, even if it does, I am not going to believe it! Nor am I going to lift a finger to study it to find out [what the Bible really actually says]! I just know that it is not true!"
This type of 'reaction' is usually caused by something referred to as 'cognitive dissonance'.

Anyone who does not already know what this is - you really should know - no doubt it would be "worth your while" to look it up...
 

GaryA

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And still we are on the same Planet.
Its the same Planet!
Earth is not a 'wondering star'.

Can you not see the lie that was perpetrated to get people to believe that a 'wondering star' - a different kind of thing than the earth according to scripture - was the same kind of thing as the earth? (So that people might believe Earth was a "planet" also.)

Do you not see the "trickery" that convoluted what scripture says?
 

GaryA

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lots of people believed the covid-19 bio-weapon was a vaccine. They sincerely believed this, but they were sincerely wrong.
Lots of people belueve that the covid vaccine was a bioweapon. They sincererely believed this, but they were sincerely wrong.
Since there are people by the thousands all over the world who have died suddenly - and people by the millions all over the world whose bodies and lives have been "messed up" - after getting the jab --- I would say - beyond any shadow of a doubt whatsoever - that Moses has made the more/most reasonable/truthful statement...
 

wolfwint

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Since there are people by the thousands all over the world who have died suddenly - and people by the millions all over the world whose bodies and lives have been "messed up" - after getting the jab --- I would say - beyond any shadow of a doubt whatsoever - that Moses has made the more/most reasonable/truthful statement...
So, it wonders me, that nobody counts the deads and sick people because of the virus.
Trust no statistic which you not have faked by yourself.
 

wolfwint

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Earth is not a 'wondering star'.

Can you not see the lie that was perpetrated to get people to believe that a 'wondering star' - a different kind of thing than the earth according to scripture - was the same kind of thing as the earth? (So that people might believe Earth was a "planet" also.)

Do you not see the "trickery" that convoluted what scripture says?
I have never said, that the earth is a ' wondering star'.
 

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You can't spend as many days on the bridge of a ship as I have, and not know that the earth is a sphere.
But, if you take your sunglasses of, you can see clearly then. All of us can see clearly when the darkness is removed.
 

GaryA

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You can't spend as many days on the bridge of a ship as I have, and not know that the earth is a sphere.
How exactly does that work if the "curvature" cannot be seen at any distance while on a ship on the ocean?

Yes, I was 3-1/2 years on a warship. Does not impress the FE brigade.
What does not impress is the hearsay-without-proof. Your senses can be deceived - especially, with regard to something you were "brainwashed" (taught all of your life) into believing.
 

GaryA

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The curve of the earth is measurable and visible.
You should not use some form of the word 'measure' when some form of the word 'calculate' is what you really mean.

I have never seen any real proof of such. If you have any real proof of such - by all means - please put it forth - I would like to see it.

it was calculated around 300 BC.
The calculation was made on the unproven assumption that the earth was a sphere - in order to "prove" that the earth was a sphere.
 

GaryA

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So, it wonders me, that nobody counts the deads and sick people because of the virus.
If you will follow that out to its realistic conclusion, you will discover that it is "a drop in the bucket" (most of it based on false-assumption and false-reporting) compared to what I was referring to.

Trust no statistic which you not have faked by yourself.
Does this mean that you are putting your trust in only what you yourself have faked...???
 

GaryA

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I have never said, that the earth is a ' wondering star'.
That is the biblical definition - a 'planet' is a 'wandering star'. If you call earth a 'planet' - you are calling it a 'wandering star'.

:oops: I have been using the wrong word - sorry.
 

Dino246

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The observant will note we only ever see the same side, and it certainly doesn't look like sunlight moving across it. Wrong colour, for starters. (Diagram for illustration of the point that we only see the same side of the moon - if it were a rotating ball shape, we would expect to see more than the same face for millennia).

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Diagrams are not images seen through a telescope, and certainly are not naked-eye observations.
 

Gideon300

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You should not use some form of the word 'measure' when some form of the word 'calculate' is what you really mean.

I have never seen any real proof of such. If you have any real proof of such - by all means - please put it forth - I would like to see it.


The calculation was made on the unproven assumption that the earth was a sphere - in order to "prove" that the earth was a sphere.
Trigonometry was invented for exactly that reason, to calculate dimensions otherwise impossible to measure. Typically, it was heights. It works. Yes, people made observations that suggested that the surface of the earth was curved. Maths proved it. Proof? Flat Earthers reject proof. Commercial and military pilots know the earth is curved. Concorde flew millions of passenger miles at 70,000 feet. Those passengers saw the curvature of the earth. That means nothing to FE people. They call eye witnesses liars, including born again Christians who landed on the moon. Where do you think the map of the earth comes from? It was by actual observation. FE maps? There are none. FE has been debunked over and over again.
 

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What part(s) of it did you work at/on/with - mechanical? hydraulic? pneumatic? electrical? electronic? [computer] hardware? firmware? software?
Software development on custom hardware that was developed in-house for this project. I specifically coded the math dealing with the earth's curvature. It took extra sustained work to optimize the computationally demanding curvature related code to meet the military grade specs. Actual fighter jet pilots have to approve the results so it must look realistic to them.

As Christians nobody perfectly understands 100% of God's word. Getting the shape of the earth right certainly isn't as important as loving our brother as ourselves. In heaven Jesus will lovingly correct everything all of us are getting wrong.
 

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I came across a video with "flat earth Dave" in it, and he was using concave hollow earth proof, to prove the earth isn't convex. Well, I suppose concave hollow earthers are being listened to by flat earthers, so our voices are not being completely ignored. lol

One last thing, it will be a complete circle when flat earthers switch to concave hollow earth view point, in my view, because flat earthers made me question the Heliocentric model, or at least wonder why flat earthers are crazy.

Live on your flat earth and I live on a sphere earth. Its the same Planet!
I like the sentiment here wolfwint, but some don't believe the earth is a planet. Concave Hollow Earthers believe the earth is the universe, and stars/heavenly bodies are all contained inside the earth. Anyways, you seem pretty balanced on your views. Enjoyed reading some of your posts.
 

Moses_Young

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Trigonometry was invented for exactly that reason, to calculate dimensions otherwise impossible to measure. Typically, it was heights. It works. Yes, people made observations that suggested that the surface of the earth was curved. Maths proved it. Proof? Flat Earthers reject proof. Commercial and military pilots know the earth is curved. Concorde flew millions of passenger miles at 70,000 feet. Those passengers saw the curvature of the earth. That means nothing to FE people. They call eye witnesses liars, including born again Christians who landed on the moon. Where do you think the map of the earth comes from? It was by actual observation. FE maps? There are none. FE has been debunked over and over again.
My, what a short memory you have. Do you not remember we refuted these poor ball-Earth arguments but a few months ago. Decided to bring out the old canards for a new audience, eh? :)