No, the earth is not flat.

[Moses_Young]

Diagrams are not images seen through a telescope, and certainly are not naked-eye observations.

Again, a statement of fact, but what are you implying? That we can see more than the one side of the moon? Show the photographs to back up what you were implying, unless you really were only posting a fact irrelevant to the point being made,

 

[Dino246]

Again, a statement of fact, but what are you implying? That we can see more than the one side of the moon? Show the photographs to back up what you were implying, unless you really were only posting a fact irrelevant to the point being made,

Neither, and I am not obligated to support assertions I did not make.

 

[Moses_Young]

Neither, and I am not obligated to support assertions I did not make.

Lol. Just an irrelevant fact, then, as if to demonstrate to the naive that you had a ball-Earth response that actually countered my argument, when indeed, you had nothing, and would have been better off remaining silent. If only your geometry skills were at the same level as your debating skills.

 

[Dino246]

Lol. Just an irrelevant fact, then, as if to demonstrate to the naive that you had a ball-Earth response that actually countered my argument, when indeed, you had nothing, and would have been better off remaining silent. If only your geometry skills were at the same level as your debating skills.

My geometry skills and my debating skills are both quite adequate, thanks very much. That you disagree with me is no reason to insult my intelligence. Given that you clearly don't understand my point, perhaps you should question your own.

 

[Moses_Young]

My geometry skills and my debating skills are both quite adequate, thanks very much. That you disagree with me is no reason to insult my intelligence. Given that you clearly don't understand my point, perhaps you should question your own.

You're trying to change the subject. The offer was there to explain why you offered up the fact. You were trying to appear as if you had a ball-Earth theory answer, when you don't.

 

[Dino246]

You're trying to change the subject. The offer was there to explain why you offered up the fact. You were trying to appear as if you had a ball-Earth theory answer, when you don't.

You make too many assumptions.

 

[Moses_Young]

You make too many assumptions.

I explain tactics for the more naive.

 

[Dino246]

I explain tactics for the more naive.

Another assumption: that you are less naive than others.

 

[kinda]

It's not "my" claim, it's the claim of all Concorde crew, passengers, and Blackbird and U-2 crews, astronauts, and now even space tourists can see the curvature too, surely they can't all be mistaken?..

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Something to think about.......

Railroad tracks can be viewed around the world, that meet at a point. Eye witness and photo evidence are abound, but for some reason, I'm still a sceptic. I really believe those tracks don't meet at a point, but stay separated.

Sometimes vision can play tricks on the mind, or the mind interprets what the eyes see in error. A mirage is possible, so further research must be done to confirm evidence.

 

[GaryA]

Trigonometry was invented for exactly that reason, to calculate dimensions otherwise impossible to measure. Typically, it was heights. It works.

Trigonometry is good for a lot of thing - as long as you don't base it on bad assumptions...

Yes, people made observations that suggested that the surface of the earth was curved. Maths proved it.

Maths did not prove it; rather, it/they only illustrated that there was a mathematical "expression" for the concept of the suggestion.

 

[GaryA]

Where do you think the map of the earth comes from? It was by actual observation. FE maps? There are none.

Every map in existence that is the result of actual measurements is a 'flat' map - derived from three-dimension topography. Other maps may be the result of taking a 'flat' map and wrapping it around a spherical shape - but - that is not 'measured' - it is manipulation of data to fit a conceptual model or pattern.

 

[GaryA]

Software development on custom hardware that was developed in-house for this project. I specifically coded the math dealing with the earth's curvature. It took extra sustained work to optimize the computationally demanding curvature related code to meet the military grade specs. Actual fighter jet pilots have to approve the results so it must look realistic to them.

So - what did/does a fighter pilot have to do - that the jet system(s) did not handle automatically for the pilot - that was required in order for the pilot to fly successfully?

Getting the shape of the earth right certainly isn't as important as loving our brother as ourselves.

I agree - not as important - but - it is important - certainly enough to have friendly discussions about...

 

[GaryA]

Trigonometry is good for a lot of thing - as long as you don't base it on bad assumptions...

things

 

[Moses_Young]

Another assumption: that you are less naive than others.

Au contraire. I don't recall you pointing out the covid hoax back in '20 and '21. So probably less naive than you. Or not, and you just don't care about Communists taking over the world with a fake virus, or people poisoning themselves to death with a dangerous bioweapon.

 

[Gideon300]

Every map in existence that is the result of actual measurements is a 'flat' map - derived from three-dimension topography. Other maps may be the result of taking a 'flat' map and wrapping it around a spherical shape - but - that is not 'measured' - it is manipulation of data to fit a conceptual model or pattern.

Just garbage, as any navigator knows. The flat map is in reality misleading for exactly the opposite reason that you claim. The Mercator projection is the globe flattened out with obvious (to most) compromises. There is no flat earth map. No FE has surveyed the surface of the earth to produce an accurate map. Sailors have been mapping the earth for hundreds of years. They know the earth was a globe. No one knows exactly when the earth was first circumnavigated, but Sir Francis Drake did it back in the Elizabethan era.

 

[Gideon300]

Au contraire. I don't recall you pointing out the covid hoax back in '20 and '21. So probably less naive than you. Or not, and you just don't care about Communists taking over the world with a fake virus, or people poisoning themselves to death with a dangerous bioweapon.

Sure, 90% of Australians have been vaccinated. The streets are littered with dead bodies because we don't have enough room to bury them. I can't open my front door because there are dead bodies piled up in front of it. And we have been told that the vaccination will kill almost everyone by the time they reach 100.

 

[Gideon300]

My, what a short memory you have. Do you not remember we refuted these poor ball-Earth arguments but a few months ago. Decided to bring out the old canards for a new audience, eh?

You have refuted nothing at all. Saying "you are wrong" is not refuting anything. Old facts and old truth do not change just because they are old. Perhaps you live on a different planet because yours is nothing like the earth.

 

[Moses_Young]

Sure, 90% of Australians have been vaccinated. The streets are littered with dead bodies because we don't have enough room to bury them. I can't open my front door because there are dead bodies piled up in front of it. And we have been told that the vaccination will kill almost everyone by the time they reach 100.

Excess death statistics from the ABS. If the average life expectancy for an Australian (male) was 81 years and excess deaths are at 17%, this drops 14 years. Congratulations, life expectancy is now 67, and we're not at the end of it yet.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/h...ovisional-mortality-statistics/latest-release

You have refuted nothing at all. Saying "you are wrong" is not refuting anything. Old facts and old truth do not change just because they are old. Perhaps you live on a different planet because yours is nothing like the earth.

You've been refuted so many times, I don't care to count. Then you use the same tired, old canard on a different thread, hoping that those who refuted you previously will tire of proving you wrong.

 

[Dino246]

Au contraire. I don't recall you pointing out the covid hoax back in '20 and '21. So probably less naive than you. Or not, and you just don't care about Communists taking over the world with a fake virus, or people poisoning themselves to death with a dangerous bioweapon.

Keep it up. Your self-righteous arrogance will bite you in the end.

 

[wolfwint]

I came across a video with "flat earth Dave" in it, and he was using concave hollow earth proof, to prove the earth isn't convex. Well, I suppose concave hollow earthers are being listened to by flat earthers, so our voices are not being completely ignored. lol

One last thing, it will be a complete circle when flat earthers switch to concave hollow earth view point, in my view, because flat earthers made me question the Heliocentric model, or at least wonder why flat earthers are crazy.



I like the sentiment here wolfwint, but some don't believe the earth is a planet. Concave Hollow Earthers believe the earth is the universe, and stars/heavenly bodies are all contained inside the earth. Anyways, you seem pretty balanced on your views. Enjoyed reading some of your posts.

Realy, they believe the earth is the universe?
First time I heared this. Strange!