Pagan pulpit and sermon placing believers in the back of the bus. Not so good.

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The pagan origins of the Pulpit

This guy is wrong in only one place i see. He believes the functions of the Holy Spirit ended in the first century. The rest of the study is pretty much right on.
 
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Simply because something has pagan origins doesn't mean we are pagan if we do something similar.

Much like folks saying they will die before they get a "chip" implanted. As if the "chip" will somehow make them lose their salvation.

You (or anyone else) calling me a pagan for worshipping in an assembly that uses a "pulpit" no more makes me a pagan than calling a ribeye an orange gives it a citrusy flavor.
 
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We are not supposed to follow pegan traditions in general. I dont see a difference between the pulpits or celebrating Easter and having pagan pulpits. Its something God doesnt want us to do.I wish churches would not celebrate things the way pagans do it but in the end I highly doubt that God will send anyone to hell for having Altars and pulpits like pagans. Is it something I think should be adressed (at least for education)...yes but I wont ask any church to tear down the pulpits and stuff.
 
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This thread is a joke, I hope.
 
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hornetguy said:
Simply because something has pagan origins doesn't mean we are pagan if we do something similar.

Much like folks saying they will die before they get a "chip" implanted. As if the "chip" will somehow make them lose their salvation.

You (or anyone else) calling me a pagan for worshipping in an assembly that uses a "pulpit" no more makes me a pagan than calling a ribeye an orange gives it a citrusy flavor.
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like names of the months or days of the week... today is Friday... do I honor the Norse god Freya? No...
 
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I cannot easily find the author(s) of the site Standing the Gap. Maybe he/she/they don't want to be found out?

Anyway, that site is one of those which refers to several respected pastors and theologians as false teachers and heretics. Although I would agree on some of them, but not all.
 
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if I have a doctor's appointment in January, on Wednesday, these are both of 'pagan' origins,
the god of janus and the god odon = it has no POWER over me, I certainly am not honoring them, -
I am not 'part-taking' in any way-shape-form, partaking of their wickedness -
BUT 'IF' I know that something is of 'pagan origin' and I partake 'willingly' of their 'customs or traditions,
(especially if it has something to do with 'other gods',
like 'ishtar' , gods or goddesses, then, I am totally guilty of 'IDOLTRY'...

the basic principle is: 'if the 'roots are corrupt, so is the tree, for a rotten tree cannot bring forth good fruit'...

as it is written:

MARK 7:9.
'And He said unto them, full well you reject the Commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition.'
 
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This thread is a joke, I hope.
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you heard it here first, think of those who for generations met in secret locations,to finally be able to worship in public to suddenly realise that they are now pagans...

i dont think the disciples used buttons for clothing either probably more paganism, as romans did.. where's my needle and cotton
 
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Demi, just for the sake of discussion.... I celebrate Easter every year. I don't care what pagan holiday it originally was, I celebrate it as a special day to remember Jesus resurrection.

It doesn't matter what the pagans used to do on Easter, as long as I'm not trying to duplicate their "worship", of whatever it was.

A day is just a day.... just as Christmas is very likely NOT the time of year Jesus was born, but that is the day that was chosen to celebrate it (by spending lots of money..:rolleyes: but that's for another thread). I have no problem celebrating Jesus birthday on Dec 25, because everyone else is..... makes no difference if "pagans used to celebrate 'xxxx' on that day" .

I'm not a pagan, and I don't reverence their moon/earth/water/ tree gods... so the origin of the day doesn't matter to me.

Having said all that, if you choose to NOT observe those days, then I would never suggest that you do. You have to follow YOUR conscience, and I pray that you will.
 
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I long for that first century gathering that was so empowered it turned the known world upside down. Praise Him.
 
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hornetguy said:
Simply because something has pagan origins doesn't mean we are pagan if we do something similar.

Much like folks saying they will die before they get a "chip" implanted. As if the "chip" will somehow make them lose their salvation.

You (or anyone else) calling me a pagan for worshipping in an assembly that uses a "pulpit" no more makes me a pagan than calling a ribeye an orange gives it a citrusy flavor.
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Instead of an orange a squeeze of a lime might provide a more flavorful citrusy flavor.
 
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hornetguy said:
Demi, just for the sake of discussion.... I celebrate Easter every year. I don't care what pagan holiday it originally was, I celebrate it as a special day to remember Jesus resurrection.

It doesn't matter what the pagans used to do on Easter, as long as I'm not trying to duplicate their "worship", of whatever it was.

A day is just a day.... just as Christmas is very likely NOT the time of year Jesus was born, but that is the day that was chosen to celebrate it (by spending lots of money..:rolleyes: but that's for another thread). I have no problem celebrating Jesus birthday on Dec 25, because everyone else is..... makes no difference if "pagans used to celebrate 'xxxx' on that day" .

I'm not a pagan, and I don't reverence their moon/earth/water/ tree gods... so the origin of the day doesn't matter to me.

Having said all that, if you choose to NOT observe those days, then I would never suggest that you do. You have to follow YOUR conscience, and I pray that you will.
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Origins always matter.

So if we want to not duplicate their "worship" of whatever it was, then we need to study what they did on "Easter" while the Jews celebrated Passover (Interestingly, Christ died on Passover - 14th Nisan and rose 3 days later). The same goes for Christ-mass. Since it wasn't invented until much later in history, we can study what the traditions were and not do them.

We know for a fact that Christ was not born on December 25 as it was the pagan worship of the birthday of the sun god.
We know that He was probably born in the fall... so why if you "must" celebrate His birth (we are not called to by God) do you not celebrate it in the fall if you don't want to worship in the same way as the pagans?

Everyone has a choice to do whatever they want to do. However, it is a good idea to find out what is pleasing to the Lord and walk in that. If we know the Lord was not pleased with what the Israelites dabbled in when they shared in the worship ways of the pagans worshiping their false gods, then if ANY practice done during these "holidays" even resembles what the pagans do, it would be good for us not to partake. Does it make us pagans if we do them? Of course not, but even so, it would be better for us not to be found doing what we know the Lord doesn't like. Does God change? He still hates what they did back then even today... thus, why would we be found doing the same traditions, but at the same time saying... Oh the Lord says it's ok as long as we have Jesus in our heart when we do these things?

So while we do follow our conscience, let our conscience be lined up with the word of God. You don't have to, but once truth is given, do we rationalize it away or continue to do it anyway?

Now the pulpit issue is not as obvious as others... and I really don't think that the pulpit itself is meant to laud and exalt one person above another. The rabbis in the temple had pulpits too I believe. Even pastors are fellow brethren and servants of the most high God as the laity. However, God has established our earthly shepherds for helping the sheep for a reason.
 
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The pagan origins of the Pulpit

This guy is wrong in only one place i see. He believes the functions of the Holy Spirit ended in the first century. The rest of the study is pretty much right on.
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LOL he sounds like something I have heard before, years ago. Lets not squabble brothers, because what it all boils down to is; HE IS! JESUS IS!!

I came from this stuff I was part of it. They are a church of the word, then there is the church of the spirit which is basically the free churches including the baptist movement and originally the Quakers, LOL, before Buddhism took over. But what has been said is right, this is the narrow gate guys.

I am not saying anyone is wrong, even those who feel the call on their lives, but the only thing on offer outside Jesus is not of Jesus. HE IS! We have to stop thinking Jesus isn't able to run His Church. The format we use to contain our worship and our fellowship is based on the premise of 'religion is the opiate of the people' and it can be controlled. We have not done this on purpose it has been , as it were, in-bread. we have grown up with it and the enemy uses its forms to restrict us from growth.

The Roman empire was crumbling, everything was going down the drain, and "these Christians were proving unbeatable, kill one and five more pop up LOL its like boils in a plague" these are the sorts of statements surrounding Constantine and his ruling class, their world was being swallowed up in something they could not get their heads around, Jesus. So as confusing as it was to them, they made something just as confusing to equal what they saw as the complexity of Christian life. When there is no complexity Just Jesus, simple.

The Christians showed love to everyone , it was quite easy to dupe these gullible people, Keep using the name Jesus in everything and some will follow, and some will follow them, make it a legal requirement and a state religion and the control has been rested back, new name same control.

WE have to wake up and smell the coffee, or the bacon and eggs, either way, Just ask Jesus. There are always those the Lord has called and there are those who know His voice. Follow Jesus nothing else. Just Jesus, because Jesus is!
 
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I long for that first century gathering that was so empowered it turned the known world upside down. Praise Him.
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please form a gathering... with some folks of like-mind... that turns the world upside down. Then I can see how it works.
 
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NarrowRoadDisciple said:
Origins always matter.

So if we want to not duplicate their "worship" of whatever it was, then we need to study what they did on "Easter" while the Jews celebrated Passover (Interestingly, Christ died on Passover - 14th Nisan and rose 3 days later). The same goes for Christ-mass. Since it wasn't invented until much later in history, we can study what the traditions were and not do them.

We know for a fact that Christ was not born on December 25 as it was the pagan worship of the birthday of the sun god.
We know that He was probably born in the fall... so why if you "must" celebrate His birth (we are not called to by God) do you not celebrate it in the fall if you don't want to worship in the same way as the pagans?

Everyone has a choice to do whatever they want to do. However, it is a good idea to find out what is pleasing to the Lord and walk in that. If we know the Lord was not pleased with what the Israelites dabbled in when they shared in the worship ways of the pagans worshiping their false gods, then if ANY practice done during these "holidays" even resembles what the pagans do, it would be good for us not to partake. Does it make us pagans if we do them? Of course not, but even so, it would be better for us not to be found doing what we know the Lord doesn't like. Does God change? He still hates what they did back then even today... thus, why would we be found doing the same traditions, but at the same time saying... Oh the Lord says it's ok as long as we have Jesus in our heart when we do these things?

So while we do follow our conscience, let our conscience be lined up with the word of God. You don't have to, but once truth is given, do we rationalize it away or continue to do it anyway?

Now the pulpit issue is not as obvious as others... and I really don't think that the pulpit itself is meant to laud and exalt one person above another. The rabbis in the temple had pulpits too I believe. Even pastors are fellow brethren and servants of the most high God as the laity. However, God has established our earthly shepherds for helping the sheep for a reason.
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what do you call the days of the week?

in the Bible, today would be the seventh day, tomorrow the first day.
 
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Bacon and eggs do sound tolerable....it do. Fry the eggs in bacon grease.....any other way is not civilized! Smile.
 
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Demi777 said:
We are not supposed to follow pegan traditions in general. I dont see a difference between the pulpits or celebrating Easter and having pagan pulpits. Its something God doesnt want us to do.I wish churches would not celebrate things the way pagans do it but in the end I highly doubt that God will send anyone to hell for having Altars and pulpits like pagans. Is it something I think should be adressed (at least for education)...yes but I wont ask any church to tear down the pulpits and stuff.
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I like your attitude. Some things are not worth stomping off in a blind rage about. Jesus did show us that some things are worth making a big scene about. We need to listen to the Spirit for discernment.

(Matt 21:12 [KJV])
And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

(Matt 21:13 [KJV])
And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
 
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