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PennEd

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"You will notice this person had NO ROOT. JESUS, is the Root. So this person was never saved to begin with. " a bold and ignorant claim, considering you also said "I don't even need to read this whole post to see what your error is. "
I know you were not saved, because you now deny Jesus. You judge and condemn yourself:
John 3:18 New King James Version (NKJV)
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The 1 John 2:19 passage says that if you had been a believer, you would have remained one.

So I have not judged you. Only repeated YOUR words.
 

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I can't believe I have to explain this to people, Big bang was the expansion of space time, no thing exploded space it self just expanded very rapidly, atoms that make up our universe came from the energy stored in the very high vacuum potential energy of the inflation field that filled all space and caused the inflationary period after the big bang. According to the inflationary ΛCDM model of cosmology the way atoms were created was through this process:
The question still remains - where did these atoms that make up the universe come from if there is no God? Are you saying that these atoms were created out of nothing? Makes absolutely no sense.
 

calibob

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Psalm 1 King James Version (KJV)

1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.


2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.


3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.


4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.


5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.


6 For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.
 

Mii

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well @WhyNotAsk take some time, but I was really feeling for you when I made that post.

Especially the casualty element. I didn't call it a casualty but carnage. Cannon fodder was the most "pointed" understanding and it hurt me. I don't believe that's who the Lord is but I do indeed ruminate on such things also.
 

Dino246

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You never wrote about being saved, does that mean you where not saved ?
Irrelevant; I didn't write a testimony.

Yes, I accepted Jesus into my heart, repented of my sins and followed what was written in the bible.
Thank you. Unfortunately, that means you're an apostate.
 
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The question still remains - where did these atoms that make up the universe come from if there is no God? Are you saying that these atoms were created out of nothing? Makes absolutely no sense.
Personal incredulity, doesn't make the God created everything hypothesis any stronger.
If you dont understand the concepts and the ideas behind the BB I don't blame you, but rejecting all the science that backs an old earth just because you haven't investigated long enough is quite ignorant.
 
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Irrelevant; I didn't write a testimony.


Thank you. Unfortunately, that means you're an apostate.
Well thanks, for your opinion...it's quite irrelevant to the topic we are talking about,but whatever :)
 

PennEd

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Personal incredulity, doesn't make the God created everything hypothesis any stronger.
If you dont understand the concepts and the ideas behind the BB I don't blame you, but rejecting all the science that backs an old earth just because you haven't investigated long enough is quite ignorant.
What science backs up an old earth?
 

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We probably all have seen one of the people from the title in action at some point in our lives, we seen people perform seemingly un-explainable feats
Yet under closer examination all of them abide the laws of physics and have a natural explanation. There was zero magic tricks performed under a scientific setting that proved to be unexplained by what we know about the natural world. James Randi a "magician" by trade, but a sceptic of the spiritual had issued a 1 million prize to anyone who could prove in a scientific setting that such forces exist, yet no one was able to claim it for last 60 years.

If demons, evil spirits , fallen angels , ghosts and other unseen forces are real why have we never been able to observe a single instance since the invention of the camera.

And if they are not real how can we believe in faith healing and other acts recorded in the bible as something more then just metaphors and myth stories like Zues and other god's leading up to that time ?
Have you read the Bible?
 
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Have you read the Bible?
Yes, I read the bible.

But many if not all the miracles in it have never been observed, since then. Which makes the whole bible questionable, because it can not be demonstrated to be true. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence, which we have not gotten to date, so how can we honestly proceed claiming the bible is a document recording actual miracles.
 

JamOn

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Yes. we got to a point of thinking because we developed the brain to solve problems, not because we wanted it, but because only the people who had the ability to solve problems through analytical thinking survived and ones that didn't died out and then the more adapt genes propagated. You clearly don't understand evolution if you are asking questions like this.
Very well then, have a good day, nice to meet you
 

tourist

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Personal incredulity, doesn't make the God created everything hypothesis any stronger.
If you dont understand the concepts and the ideas behind the BB I don't blame you, but rejecting all the science that backs an old earth just because you haven't investigated long enough is quite ignorant.
Science has yet to state how matter is created from absolutely nothing. Doesn't really take a rocket scientist to figure out that you don't end up with something out of a whole lot of nothing. Actually, I don't have a problem with the big bang theory as long as that is what God intended to happen. Matter does not create itself, that is a fact.
 

Magenta

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Yes, I read the bible.

But many if not all the miracles in it have never been observed, since then. Which makes the whole bible questionable, because it can not be demonstrated to be true. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence, which we have not gotten to date, so how can we honestly proceed claiming the bible is a document recording actual miracles.
What is a miracle? A miracle is the suspension of natural laws by supernatural means. Being able to acknowledging that the Creator of the universe and all that is has mastery over the elements and laws He created is not a stretch of any believer's imagination. Looking for "proof" will not help your case when you admit you accept other assertions as proof of something else in order to continue denying God's existence.
 

calibob

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Science has yet to state how matter is created from absolutely nothing. Doesn't really take a rocket scientist to figure out that you don't end up with something out of a whole lot of nothing. Actually, I don't have a problem with the big bang theory as long as that is what God intended to happen. Matter does not create itself, that is a fact.
When God said let there be light and all of nothing exploded into the universe beyond what we know. I'd double down that it made a really BIG BANG, ya think?
 

Nehemiah6

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Actually, I don't have a problem with the big bang theory as long as that is what God intended to happen.
Don't you think there would have been some reference to a loud noise if the Big Bang had actually occurred? The Big Bang Theory is the alternative to divine creation (out of nothing). And since only God was present at the time of creation, we have the most reliable account in Genesis backed up in the Ten Commandments.
 

Dino246

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The "big bang" theory is actually contrary to established scientifically-derived principles such as the laws of thermodynamics.
 
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All it shows is that doctors can be wrong, and some people can recover quicker then others... Evidence would be an amputee getting his limbs back after a prayer or a kid that was fully blind being able to see seconds after a prayer, yet we don't have either of these.

Science learns from their mistakes and make improvements on their previously held ideas, while religion remains believing and trusting despite of the evidence against it and also lacking evidence for it.

Faith is far from being a virtue, it's seems to be state of denial of the physical world. Reality will remain something that is observed differently by every person involved, but there has never been a case where it changed because someone wanted it to be something else.
One of my chikdten, aged just 1 at the time, poured boiling water all over herself. The burns were horrendous and deep as you can imagine. The two doctors at the hospital said she would be in hospital for weeks and scarred for life. We went with her in the ambulance to the specialist children's burns unit.

At this time 200 people in church prayed for her.

She arrived at the burns unit. "There has been a mistake these are just superficial burns". Me, my wife and two doctors all imagined the deep burns apparently.

Didn't take any photos though.
 

PennEd

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Yes, I read the bible.

But many if not all the miracles in it have never been observed, since then. Which makes the whole bible questionable, because it can not be demonstrated to be true. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence, which we have not gotten to date, so how can we honestly proceed claiming the bible is a document recording actual miracles.
Well, the miracle by which we stake our Salvation on, Jesus'death and resurrection, was seen by over FIVE HUNDRED PEOPLE at one time! Got any better proof that Plato, Socrates, Alexander the Great, Muhammed, Charlesmagne, etc, etc..... ever even lived?

1 Corinthians 15 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Risen Christ, Faith’s Reality
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by OVER FIVE HUNDRED BRETHREN AT ONCE, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.
 

tourist

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Don't you think there would have been some reference to a loud noise if the Big Bang had actually occurred? The Big Bang Theory is the alternative to divine creation (out of nothing). And since only God was present at the time of creation, we have the most reliable account in Genesis backed up in the Ten Commandments.
Exactly, God created the universe including the earth and everything in it in 6 literal 24 hour days. He could've created it in 6 nanoseconds if He chose to do so. Probably chose days as that is something that most people can relate too.