The Trump Dictatorship

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Where is the mercy towards the unborn as they are torn from the womb bit by bit, how would you like to have you leg torn off your body?

Do you think they do not feel pain? You need to be educated.

UnderGrace, I agree with you on this point.

Abortion is a terrible thing. But so are some other things that happen that a woman cannot be responsible for. I don't believe in this case that government should have that power over a woman.

I believe that abortion should be legal, with reason.

Do we want a government to decide for her? Or is it her decision with her doctor?

Should their be exceptions for rape and incest?

What should be the punishment for the women having an abortion? Or causing herself to miscarriage?

Should she be executed? As some on this website have said?

 

[UnderGrace]

UnderGrace, I agree with you on this point.

Abortion is a terrible thing. But so are some other things that happen that a woman cannot be responsible for. I don't believe in this case that government should have that power over a woman.

I believe that abortion should be legal, with reason.

Do we want a government to decide for her? Or is it her decision with her doctor?

Should their be exceptions for rape and incest?

What should be the punishment for the women having an abortion? Or causing herself to miscarriage?

Should she be executed? As some on this website have said?

I am not discussing crime and punishment, I am purely speaking to the morality of abortion so tell me ......

What would the reason be?

 

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This is the penalty for 1st degree

Since you afraid to answer with any clarity, I must assume that you are not willing to fully support your position.

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[abcdef]

I am not discussing crime and punishment,

Oh yea, the punishment has everything to do with it. It's the part that people want to disregard as part of the discussion because they are not thinking of the consequences of their actions.

You say that it is immoral? Yes it is. You want to make it illegal? pass laws? What will the punishment be for a woman has an abortion? Or causes herself to miscarriage? You cannot escape the consequences of government interference in your reproductive life.

And the man goes free.

I am purely speaking to the morality of abortion so tell me ......

Abortion is murder and a sin, but should not be made completely illegal.

What would the reason be?

I asked you, but that will have to be decided by government once they are given power. You or I will not decide. Maybe a panel of RCC priests.

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[UnderGrace]

Oh yea, the punishment has everything to do with it. It's the part that people want to disregard as part of the discussion because they are not thinking of the consequences of their actions.

You say that it is immoral? Yes it is. You want to make it illegal? pass laws? What will the punishment be for a woman has an abortion? Or causes herself to miscarriage? You cannot escape the consequences of government interference in your reproductive life.

And the man goes free.




Abortion is murder and a sin, but should not be made completely illegal.




I asked you, but that will have to be decided by government once they are given power. You or I will not decide. Maybe a panel of RCC priests.

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Lets be logical here please.

You do realize the government is already telling me I cannot murder another person, so they are interfering in my life and what I can do with my body, I cannot use my body to kill another, with or without a weapon.

Now how is this government interference different than government making abortions illegal.

 

[UnderGrace]

Oh yea, the punishment has everything to do with it. It's the part that people want to disregard as part of the discussion because they are not thinking of the consequences of their actions.

You say that it is immoral? Yes it is. You want to make it illegal? pass laws? What will the punishment be for a woman has an abortion? Or causes herself to miscarriage? You cannot escape the consequences of government interference in your reproductive life.

And the man goes free.




Abortion is murder and a sin, but should not be made completely illegal.




I asked you, but that will have to be decided by government once they are given power. You or I will not decide. Maybe a panel of RCC priests.

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You really did not clarify when it is reasonable to abort a child?

I do not believe an unborn child should be aborted.

 

[abcdef]

Tell me how you can be a democrat and a Christian:

What a big lie this video is!

It starts stating that democrats boo'd God, that is a lie, lie, lie!!!!!!

The video is deceptively absent of the issue that the people were voting on. It was edited to specifically hide that fact. I don't believe that they were voting on God.

This is a great example of a Russian/ Republican/Supremacist propaganda deception.

Every person who reads this, be sure to watch the video and see the lies and deception for yourself.

This is the kind of thing that people use to confirm their positions, but instead confirm that they are repeating a lie.

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[abcdef]

As a conservative I assume I'm one of "they", and I sure don't say that.

OK, what is your solution?

 

[abcdef]

Lets be logical here please.

You do realize the government is already telling me I cannot murder another person, so they are interfering in my life and what I can do with my body, I cannot use my body to kill another, with or without a weapon.

Now how is this government interference different than government making abortions illegal.

Because a woman who was beaten and raped is different from a violent mass murderer.

 

[UnderGrace]

What a big lie this video is!

It starts stating that democrats boo'd God, that is a lie, lie, lie!!!!!!

The video is deceptively absent of the issue that the people were voting on. It was edited to specifically hide that fact. I don't believe that they were voting on God.

This is a great example of a Russian/ Republican/Supremacist propaganda deception.

Every person who reads this, be sure to watch the video and see the lies and deception for yourself.

This is the kind of thing that people use to confirm their positions, but instead confirm that they are repeating a lie.

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It is right up on the screen what they are voting on!! at 0.06 seconds

Here is the description of what occurred to help you out......

To demonstrate their reverence for Big Government as a replacement for the American Founding Principles of "God-Given" Rights, the 2012 Democratic Platform was intentionally scrubbed of all mention of the word "God".
The Moral Outrage from the American People shocked these godless statists into scrambling to re-write their platform to give the appearance that Religious Principles are suddenly important to them again. In order to amend their platform, however, they required a two-thirds majority vote from the Delegates present.
But the soulless ideolouges in attendance did not get the message that the lack of respect for Religious Principles needed to be reversed, for appearance sake at least. So when the Voice Vote was taken, it is clearly audible that they are not getting the necessary two-thirds majority to amend their statist ideals.
After repeated votes, and multiple attempts to hint to the moronic horde that they are supposed to vote "yea", the motion is finally "passed" despite obviously not having the required two-thirds approval.

The irony of the Democrats' displaying "Voter Fraud" deciding a moral issue AT THEIR OWN CONVENTION is almost funny, if it were not so blatantly and clumsily deceptive. The video of the crowd loudly booing the reinstatement of the word "God" into their platform is a stark look into the Soul of today's Democratic Party. Yea, Big Government, BOO God.

 

[UnderGrace]

Because a woman who was beaten and raped is different from a violent mass murderer.

You cannot escape the consequences of government interference in your reproductive life.

Lets stay on topic please, how the pregnancy occurs is not what we are discussing, I am discussing this one statement.

Do you agree that the government is interfering with your freedom by saying that you cannot commit murder?

 

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You really did not clarify when it is reasonable to abort a child?

It is reasonable when the mother and her doctor decide it is, basically. There are always variations, which is the main point.

I do not believe an unborn child should be aborted.

I agree. But I also don't believe that I, or anybody, can stop a woman from inducing a miscarriage to the danger of her life and health.

And when women die from a miscarriage because they didn't seek medical help, because of the government penalties, then it is because of government persecution.

If only my daughter would have sought medical help, she would be alive today. Or maybe your sister, or lovely young cousin.

What should we do to your daughter who was raped and didn't want the child. She caused herself to miscarriage, now she must be executed. You get to pull the trigger, seeing how abortion is murder, and you agree, no mercy for your daughter? others? No exceptions?

 

[UnderGrace]

Okay, I am only speaking on the legal objective level. I am not sure what miscarriages have to do with abortions?

Serial killers are not even executed where I live, I am not sure why you think someone who has an abortion would be executed, it is obvious a rational discussion is not to be had.

Be well.

 

[abcdef]

Lets stay on topic please,

Well the topic of this thread is the Trump dictatorship, but I am willing to discuss all facets of the issue.

how the pregnancy occurs is not what we are discussing,

You may wish to narrow the discussion, I can do that temporarily for your benefit.

I am discussing this one statement.

You may want it to be that way, looking at the tail, but you are disregarding the rest of the elephant.

Do you agree that the government is interfering with your freedom by saying that you cannot commit murder?

I agree that the government is not interfering with my rights by having murder being illegal.

But the government is interfering with a woman's rights by making abortion completely illegal under every and all circumstances.

The reason is, that a woman having an abortion is different than a "common" murder between adults. The circumstances surrounding the events are different. And it doesn't matter to you, how it happens? In complete disregard to the woman involved. Do you love the child but hate the woman?

The principle that your are saying is correct, but the reality of circumstances is different and must be reasoned out with love and mercy. It's not just a black and white issue, it is full of grey.

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Okay, I am only speaking on the legal objective level. I am not sure what miscarriages have to do with abortions?

It is the same thing, a woman who induces a miscarriage, and an abortion.

Serial killers are not even executed where I live, I am not sure why you think someone who has an abortion would be executed, it is obvious a rational discussion is not to be had.

Oh I don't think that they should be executed, but there are some hard rites on this website who have stated clearly that they believe that abortion is a capitol offence and death should be the penalty.

That is why people should be careful what they stand for. You believe that abortion should be illegal, but then those radicals will take control of the issue and do things that you did not want, and that is my point.

Be well.

Try reading what some others have said on this thread about the punishment for abortion.

They disregard the consequences or refuse to answer (as you do) when faced with the decision about what the consequences should be when abortion is illegal.

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[UnderGrace]

Well the topic of this thread is the Trump dictatorship, but I am willing to discuss all facets of the issue.




You may wish to narrow the discussion, I can do that temporarily for your benefit.




You may want it to be that way, looking at the tail, but you are disregarding the rest of the elephant.




I agree that the government is not interfering with my rights by having murder being illegal.

But the government is interfering with a woman's rights by making abortion completely illegal under every and all circumstances.

The reason is, that a woman having an abortion is different than a "common" murder between adults. The circumstances surrounding the events are different. And it doesn't matter to you, how it happens? In complete disregard to the woman involved. Do you love the child but hate the woman?

The principle that your are saying is correct, but the reality of circumstances is different and must be reasoned out with love and mercy. It's not just a black and white issue, it is full of grey.

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But the government is interfering with a woman's rights by making abortion completely illegal under every and all circumstances.

Wrong ......abortion is not a right.

What you do not want is government Interference, what you want is a Right,,,,,,,,,,,, funny how that works????

That is not rational thinking that is thinking from an emotional biased prejudicial perspective.

 

[UnderGrace]

It is the same thing, a woman who induces a miscarriage, and an abortion.




Oh I don't think that they should be executed, but there are some hard rites on this website who have stated clearly that they believe that abortion is a capitol offence and death should be the penalty.

That is why people should be careful what they stand for. You believe that abortion should be illegal, but then those radicals will take control of the issue and do things that you did not want, and that is my point.




Try reading what some others have said on this thread about the punishment for abortion.

They disregard the consequences or refuse to answer (as you do) when faced with the decision about what the consequences should be when abortion is illegal.

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Wow your reasoning is really out there rather than protect the unborn baby, the mother is protected even when she has willfully chosen to end a life totally separate from her own.

So we have to protect evil (abortion) because those that perform evil must be protected from the consequences of their evil decision to abort.
Stated another way....

The innocent baby can be murdered so that the mother is not punished, that is why abortions must stay legal.

You would not be so concerned about the punishment if you really believed that abortion was wrong.
It is because you make light of this crime that you argue against any punishment.
Then to try an bolster your argument you fabricate some nonsense how women will be given death sentences.

You know women can just choose to have the baby and give it up for adoption or not get pregnant.

I am really done now.

You have shown me what distorted thinking one has to adopt to defend the indefensible.

 

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Just for your info.
Over 82% are unmarried.

yes

I can see that

but what's your point?

 

[UnderGrace]

It is the same thing, a woman who induces a miscarriage, and an abortion.




Oh I don't think that they should be executed, but there are some hard rites on this website who have stated clearly that they believe that abortion is a capitol offence and death should be the penalty.

That is why people should be careful what they stand for. You believe that abortion should be illegal, but then those radicals will take control of the issue and do things that you did not want, and that is my point.




Try reading what some others have said on this thread about the punishment for abortion.

They disregard the consequences or refuse to answer (as you do) when faced with the decision about what the consequences should be when abortion is illegal.

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Ultimately, you do not believe abortion is a crime, you have a watered down sense of justice that does not seek to protect the rights of the unborn.

Where I live the unborn baby has no rights until the moment it is born, that baby can be terminated up until the mother gives birth, but that is okay, because God forbid that abortion be illegal and a woman/doctor/nurse face some kind of punishment.

In your way of thinking better to have abortions legal and kill innocent unborn babies than try to prevent the crime by making it illegal.

That is completely bizarre when we are talking about the taking of a human life.

 

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It is right up on the screen what they are voting on!! at 0.06 seconds

Here is the description of what occurred to help you out......

To demonstrate their reverence for Big Government as a replacement for the American Founding Principles of "God-Given" Rights, the 2012 Democratic Platform was intentionally scrubbed of all mention of the word "God".
The Moral Outrage from the American People shocked these godless statists into scrambling to re-write their platform to give the appearance that Religious Principles are suddenly important to them again. In order to amend their platform, however, they required a two-thirds majority vote from the Delegates present.
But the soulless ideolouges in attendance did not get the message that the lack of respect for Religious Principles needed to be reversed, for appearance sake at least. So when the Voice Vote was taken, it is clearly audible that they are not getting the necessary two-thirds majority to amend their statist ideals.
After repeated votes, and multiple attempts to hint to the moronic horde that they are supposed to vote "yea", the motion is finally "passed" despite obviously not having the required two-thirds approval.

The irony of the Democrats' displaying "Voter Fraud" deciding a moral issue AT THEIR OWN CONVENTION is almost funny, if it were not so blatantly and clumsily deceptive. The video of the crowd loudly booing the reinstatement of the word "God" into their platform is a stark look into the Soul of today's Democratic Party. Yea, Big Government, BOO God.

Thanks for clarifying.

I don't want God mentioned in any party platform either. That doesn't mean that I reject Jesus/God.

You say yes, you want the Christian God in government? The RCC? Mormon? Baptist? 7th Day Adventist? JW's? Jews?

And what about where the majority is Islam? Islamic god morality?

Not all visions of god are seen as Jesus and His love. Shall we decide the official government god by majority vote?

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