women as church leaders and teachers
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I thought your posts were simply contrived to fit your personal views. I do not doubt your sincerity, I simply found no evidence to support your claims. If you changed to another account and pretended to be a man, my answers would be the same because your gender is not germane. I do not post differently based on gender and I doubt many here would be so shallow.
The fact that you even considered posting as a man tells me more about you and your world view than you realize. I have never picked or changed my tone or content on anyone because they were female.
The fact that you even considered posting as a man tells me more about you and your world view than you realize. I have never picked or changed my tone or content on anyone because they were female.
Everyone who calls on Jesus, Yeshua, in spirit and truth knows something just for that person.
As far as thinking of them as wallowing in their ignorance, we are all incomplete in wisdom from above. The intellectual approach to knowing about our Savior is void because the wisdom of man is foolishness to our Father, and so it should be, lest we take the nonsense spread by mankind to the Kingdom, Yahweh forbid.
This is intended for me as well as for all. If anyone feels he or she knows something and has not been given the authority of the Holy Spirit to impart it to the family in Yeshua, if it is truly from Yahweh, keep it to yourself until the Holy Spirit affords that authority to impart it.
The Word is available to all who are able to read, and, as it teaches, Christ crucified is all any one believer needs to understand in order to be saved. None of the members of the family in Yeshua appear to me to be wallowing in ignorance. Coming back with a male profile will not change this truth.
J
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
prophet: G4396
προφήτης
prophētēs
prof-ay'-tace
From a compound of G4253 and G5346; a foreteller (“prophet”); by analogy an inspired speaker; by extension a poet: - prophet.
pastor: G4166
ποιμήν
poimēn
poy-mane'
Of uncertain affinity; a shepherd (literally or figuratively): - shepherd, pastor.
seems pretty cut and dry to me.
Joyce Meyer...... quack.
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
prophet: G4396
προφήτης
prophētēs
prof-ay'-tace
From a compound of G4253 and G5346; a foreteller (“prophet”); by analogy an inspired speaker; by extension a poet: - prophet.
pastor: G4166
ποιμήν
poimēn
poy-mane'
Of uncertain affinity; a shepherd (literally or figuratively): - shepherd, pastor.
seems pretty cut and dry to me.
Joyce Meyer...... quack.
God never meant his word to be used as a sledgehammer. The Word is a two edged sword, but it was never designed to cut people down. The Word of God was never meant to be a tool to force people into submission to our ideas or beliefs. "Come, and let us reason together" shows the attitude of God saying, "come and sit with me and let's talk this through in a quiet, loving manner"
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I'm reasoning right now 
(Note: Copy/pasted from my False teachers are women ). Paul exhorts the Gentiles to proclaim the gospel, and, he makes no distinction of men nor women in who should do the
proclaiming, danchance(I speaking to dan in my other thread) No distinction. None. Now, the question becomes, can a,woman proclaim the gospel TO MEN and not be disobeying God?
What does Paul think, you think ? ”1For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles—
2Surely you have heard about the administration of God’s grace that was given to me for you, 3that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. 4In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.
7I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power. 8Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, 9and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
So, NOW , that the Gentiles have heard the GOSPEL from this man who calls himself 'less than the least of the Lord's people (again, NO men or women distinction!) ,” are the Gentiles to just SIT AROUND and let Paul do all the work !
No, the Gentiles here who NOW hear the Word of God Jesus Christ Gospel by Paul are just like the disciples now who.HEARD AND BELIEVED in Christ saving them ! The Fentiles are to go OUT into.all the world , too, and, spread the Goid News (Christ born, Christ lived, Christ died, Christ rose !! )
Right? This is not rocket science , it's truth ! And, what verse tells us that after we hear the Gospel, Jews, Gentiles alike, who belieVe then in Christ's finished work, through faith, and, therefore have blessed assurance of eternal.life?
Glad you asked. 1 Thessalonians 1:5 ” the gospel did not just come to you (Gentiles) by words but by power, by the Holy Spirit and conviction.” Conviction ! Men and women both, the hearing of the gospel creates a faith-full conviction in men and WOMEN to then go preach, teach, proclaim the gospel of Christ !!!! Women, men, children even, God called Paul, less than the least of the Lord's people, so, He most certainly CAN very well be calling you to service, miladies, in many, many capacities, some teaching, some leading worship, some PREACHING, doing everything He asks of YOU to be done NOT in having authority but done in Love
(Note: Copy/pasted from my False teachers are women ). Paul exhorts the Gentiles to proclaim the gospel, and, he makes no distinction of men nor women in who should do theproclaiming, danchance(I speaking to dan in my other thread) No distinction. None. Now, the question becomes, can a,woman proclaim the gospel TO MEN and not be disobeying God?
What does Paul think, you think ? ”1For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles—
2Surely you have heard about the administration of God’s grace that was given to me for you, 3that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. 4In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.
7I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power. 8Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, 9and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
So, NOW , that the Gentiles have heard the GOSPEL from this man who calls himself 'less than the least of the Lord's people (again, NO men or women distinction!) ,” are the Gentiles to just SIT AROUND and let Paul do all the work !
No, the Gentiles here who NOW hear the Word of God Jesus Christ Gospel by Paul are just like the disciples now who.HEARD AND BELIEVED in Christ saving them ! The Fentiles are to go OUT into.all the world , too, and, spread the Goid News (Christ born, Christ lived, Christ died, Christ rose !! )
Right? This is not rocket science , it's truth ! And, what verse tells us that after we hear the Gospel, Jews, Gentiles alike, who belieVe then in Christ's finished work, through faith, and, therefore have blessed assurance of eternal.life?
Glad you asked. 1 Thessalonians 1:5 ” the gospel did not just come to you (Gentiles) by words but by power, by the Holy Spirit and conviction.” Conviction ! Men and women both, the hearing of the gospel creates a faith-full conviction in men and WOMEN to then go preach, teach, proclaim the gospel of Christ !!!! Women, men, children even, God called Paul, less than the least of the Lord's people, so, He most certainly CAN very well be calling you to service, miladies, in many, many capacities, some teaching, some leading worship, some PREACHING, doing everything He asks of YOU to be done NOT in having authority but done in Love
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YES THEY CAN UNDER SOME CIRCUMSTANCES!
A woman is permitted to preach or pastor under the authority of of a male pastor or husband Just as Christ is the head of the church, man is the head of woman. Christ gives man authority and so man gives his woman authority. So in conclusion yes they can as they can be as much used by God as men but not to override the Authority of man over woman. Everything must be done in Christs order.
A woman is permitted to preach or pastor under the authority of of a male pastor or husband Just as Christ is the head of the church, man is the head of woman. Christ gives man authority and so man gives his woman authority. So in conclusion yes they can as they can be as much used by God as men but not to override the Authority of man over woman. Everything must be done in Christs order.
J
It's not what you're using, it's how you're using it!!!! Sheesh!!!
2 Timothy 2:15 [SUP]15 [/SUP]Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.
2 Timothy 2:15 [SUP]15 [/SUP]Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.