women as church leaders and teachers

[stevef]

Isaiah 1:18 [SUP]18 [/SUP]Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

I like God's way of reaching us better than yours.

I'm sure there are a lot of people around the world who have heard Joyce and received Christ who may disagree with you, not to mention the many poor and afflicted who have been helped by Joyce Meyer ministries. You have a right to your opinion and your strong belief that what you believe is backed up by verses in the Bible. But please understand that there are devout followers of Christ who believe differently based on other verses in the Bible. It can't be denied that there are different interpretations and different opinions among devout Christians on a number of issues. Jesus is the ultimate authority and addressed many issues during his ministry and teaching, and I can't find where he said a woman can't preach, and as I pointed out before, he told Mary Magdalene to go and tell his disciples the good news of his resurrection, and some may interpret that as Mary Magdalene being the first one to spread the gospel. I respect your position, I just don't agree with it. By far the most important thing we agree on is that Christ died for our sins, rose from the dead and thru him we are forgiven and reconciled with the Father.

 

[stevef]

I'm sure there are a lot of people around the world who have heard Joyce and received Christ who may disagree with you, not to mention the many poor and afflicted who have been helped by Joyce Meyer ministries. You have a right to your opinion and your strong belief that what you believe is backed up by verses in the Bible. But please understand that there are devout followers of Christ who believe differently based on other verses in the Bible. It can't be denied that there are different interpretations and different opinions among devout Christians on a number of issues. Jesus is the ultimate authority and addressed many issues during his ministry and teaching, and I can't find where he said a woman can't preach, and as I pointed out before, he told Mary Magdalene to go and tell his disciples the good news of his resurrection, and some may interpret that as Mary Magdalene being the first one to spread the gospel. I respect your position, I just don't agree with it. By far the most important thing we agree on is that Christ died for our sins, rose from the dead and thru him we are forgiven and reconciled with the Father.

Sorry Stephen63. My above post was meant to respond to jinx regarding Joyce Meyer.

 

[stevef]

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

prophet: G4396
προφήτης
prophētēs
prof-ay'-tace
From a compound of G4253 and G5346; a foreteller (“prophet”); by analogy an inspired speaker; by extension a poet: - prophet.

pastor: G4166
ποιμήν
poimēn
poy-mane'
Of uncertain affinity; a shepherd (literally or figuratively): - shepherd, pastor.

seems pretty cut and dry to me.
Joyce Meyer...... quack.

Sorry jinx, I mistakenly responded to your post above to Stephen63.

 

[jinx]

she's a quack.

But I would say that about any big/famous "preacher" male or female for the mere fact that it's all about the $$$.

 

[danschance]

she's a quack.
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But I would say that about any big/famous "preacher" male or female for the mere fact that it's all about the $$$.

"A number of her church’s expenditures have been made to purchase several homes for Meyer and her family. The church also pays for all of the utilities, landscaping and routine maintenance of the properties."

"Meyer and her husband live in a huge home, costing an estimated $2 million. The property includes an opulent fountain, private golf course, swimming pool, poolhouse, and an air-conditioned garage. Meyer has stated that she does not have the time to take care of the maintenance of the property due to her busy schedule."

"Joyce and Dave Meyer have also purchased a number of items that are currently held in a trust to guard against financial problems within their ministry. Included in these purchases are a lakefront home costing an estimated half-million, a $100,000 Mercedes, and a home for Joyce’s parents."

1) Her and her husband are paid $1.3 Million a year.

2)Her salary is set by the Board of directors who are her friends and family members.

3)Her ministry is a 501c3 and is exempt from paying taxes.

4) She owns a $10 millon Jet to make travel less of a pain.

5) Her ministry complex building is 148,000 square feet and furnished with a $30K malachite table, $23K marble topped antique toilet, apair of Dreseden vase for $19K, six more vases for $18,5000, a $49K conference room table and furnished the complex for a mere $5.7 Million.

When she asks you to send in your donation for starving children in Africa, know that some of your money might reach them!!

 

[moretalman]

Jesus said we are to be just. What justice is there in denying women equal rights?

What has God ordained? Who is the author of Justice? I believe in women teachers & preachers. There were prophetesses in the OT. Luke 2:36

And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher: she was of a great age, and had lived with a husband seven years from her virginity;

It go's on to say she had prayed to see the messiah before she died & God answered her prayer - go read this passage.

The NT was not yet in force - Christ had not yet died. The NT began when Christ died & the veil of the temple was rent. So this was under the old covenant.

Women can be prophets & women can be teachers but must be under authority of their husband. God is the one who ordained this. Just like God ordained that women should bear children & not men. He ordained a lot of differences between men & women. Medically I'm sure men could be made to breast feed babies, is it Gods will?

We have a lot of men acting like women & a lot of women acting like men. Are men & women supposed to all act alike? Did God intend for their to be any differences? Who is the authority on how women are supposed to be & how men are supposed to be?

Who is the authority on how an a piston type internal combustion engine is supposed to work? It's creator? Go to the creator of the piston type internal cumbustion engine & they will be the authority on it. How it's suppose to function, the role it is to fill.

Go the creator of a rotary type internal combustion engine they'll be the authority on how its supposed to function. Could the rotory engine bring charges against it's maker for not functioning or being allowed to fill the role the piston type engine does?

No because it's maker determines this, without its maker it would not be. Filling the role our maker intended us to fill is unquestionably sound, unless we believe our maker insn't trust worthy.

There is the difficulty of determining what our roles should be. We do live in a dark an confusing world. Our minds are fallible & finite. This is why we need to make an appeal to an infallible & infinite mind, a mind that's completely trustworhty. With Gods help we can learn how. I know it's hard but he really does know best.

Father in heaven enable us to discern your will, give us a mind to rightly divide your word of truth, to understand the scriptures, where we err, correct us, we need your guidance, anoint us with a spirit of humility, deliver us from our pride, overcome the power of the enemy & of our flesh, that we may be blessed to recieve from you your virtue & truth, in Jesus name we pray. AMEN? AMEN !


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[GreenNnice]

she's a quack.
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But I would say that about any big/famous "preacher" male or female for the mere fact that it's all about the $$$.

JinX ! ;o)

 

[moretalman]

danschance: I'm sure you got all of this information from a source that is a passionate supporter of Joyce Meyers ministries.

According to the United states constitution a person has a right to be confronted with the witnesses against them (know who they are) and to know exactly what charges are being brought against them, so that they can answer these charges. Have you heard what Joyce Meyers ministries has had to say in response to these charges? (See bill of rights for all constitutional references)

Before I will pass any judgment on Joyce Meyers or any other human being I will need to hear both side of the story. This an elementary principle of justice. It is supported by & in my opinion has it's origin in the Bible. Jesus said: As you would have others do unto you do unto them likewise.

If someone were to bring charges against you regarding how you conducted your financial affairs would want to be able to speak in your own defense 1st, before it was made public?

The fact is everything there is to know about the financial affairs of Joyce Meyers ministries or any ministry or business the size of her ministry would require a great deal of man power to properly ascertain. How much man power have you expended?

Had it occurred to you there this ministry and it's principle agents may have "private financial enterprises" apart from the church? If so have you conducted a satisfactory investigation into those enterprises. In other words are you in possession of enough of the facts to even being to render a just & verdict. Or are you rushing to judgment? You know her salary as reported by your source, do know all the other facts about other expenditures? Do you care to know?

What do you know about the financial enterprises of those leveling these charges? Do you know who they are? What are their motives? Have they given the ministry a chance to answer these charges?

Is it reasonable as a private citizen to conduct an arbitrary investigation into a ministry, draw conclusions , air them publicly (before hearing what the accused have to say in their own defense) & then demand that they invest what might be hundreds of man hrs to to answer allegations that the ministry knows are untrue?

There are proper authorities that investigate fraud & misallocation of ministry resources, have these authorities brought charges? Has their been a fair hearing, where these charges can be answered? Has the ministry been found guilty in a court of law of any wrong doing?

According to the constitution a citizen of the United states shall not be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law. Has anyone been sent to jail (deprived of liberty) or have any resources been confiscated (deprived of property) because of some wrong doing the the ministry has been charged with & found guilty of in court of law?

If not, they are to be held as innocent until they have been given due process of law & proven guilty.

Joyce Meyers ministries has not been officially charged with, or found guilty of any the charges you have publicly brought against her. And unless you can prove them, she could prosecute you for slander & libel. But she won't . One reason is because if she took every one who defamed her to court she would have no time to do the work God has called her to do. And while I don't know her personally I'm familiar enough with her thru her ministry, that I'm sure she loves you & would respond to these charges by praying for you & asking God to bless you.

Jesus said In Matthew 18:15 - 20 If your brother trespass against you go to them & tell them their fault between you & them alone, if they hear you you have gained your brother. If they don't hear you go & get one or two more that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. If they do not hear them tell it to the whole church (make it public) if they do not hear them let them be unto you as a publican & sinner ( look at them with compassion as who who need to be redeemed)

The first step we should take when we suspect some wrong doing is to get our facts straight & then go to the person that's suspected & give them an opportunity to answer the charges. If we don't do that, we are acting contrary to what Jesus taught his disciples to do. Even if they have done some wrong, give them a chance to right their wrong before destroying their reputation. In other words seek redemption, to restore them, be gracious & kind, love them, they are only human.

danschance I don't know you & I can't pass judgment on you either. Their was a time when I thought I lot like you. I was a very critical person & I found fault with others easily. In fact I thought I was being Godly in doing it. I was cynical & disgusted at what I thought was a bunch of money grubbing preachers who cared nothing about me or others but only themselves. And make no mistake, I've suffered at the hands of a lot of church people, including those in positions of leadership. I call it "church hurt" It's very real & wide spread.

I started studying the bible for myself & learned these many principles that I've shared with you here. Taking note especially what Jesus taught his disciples. That's what I was supposed to be, his disciple, so I thought that's where I should look. I did & I found out how wrong I was. Now God is beginning to bless me & I'm learning how to love & treat people right.

Father I pray for danschance now, bless her in an extraordinary way, with your power & love, enable her to see thru the deception of the enemy, do the same for me father, I'm in desperate need of your guidance, we all are, apart from you we can do nothing. You can see down inside of us nothing is hidden from your eyes provide for us as you see we have need, we long for your delivering power to prevail in our lives, do for us what we can't do for ourselves. Bring into our lives your love, enabling us to love others & treat them with fairness & compassion, we are a needy people. Lord have mercy on us, lead us in that way you would have us go, conforming us to the image of your son Jesus, we could never do that for ourselves, we depend on you. Thank you father for hearing & honoring our prayers, you are a faithful God - we ask all in Jesus name AMEN? AMEN!

 

[moretalman]

"A number of her church’s expenditures have been made to purchase several homes for Meyer and her family. The church also pays for all of the utilities, landscaping and routine maintenance of the properties."

"Meyer and her husband live in a huge home, costing an estimated $2 million. The property includes an opulent fountain, private golf course, swimming pool, poolhouse, and an air-conditioned garage. Meyer has stated that she does not have the time to take care of the maintenance of the property due to her busy schedule."

"Joyce and Dave Meyer have also purchased a number of items that are currently held in a trust to guard against financial problems within their ministry. Included in these purchases are a lakefront home costing an estimated half-million, a $100,000 Mercedes, and a home for Joyce’s parents."

1) Her and her husband are paid $1.3 Million a year.

2)Her salary is set by the Board of directors who are her friends and family members.

3)Her ministry is a 501c3 and is exempt from paying taxes.

4) She owns a $10 millon Jet to make travel less of a pain.

5) Her ministry complex building is 148,000 square feet and furnished with a $30K malachite table, $23K marble topped antique toilet, apair of Dreseden vase for $19K, six more vases for $18,5000, a $49K conference room table and furnished the complex for a mere $5.7 Million.

When she asks you to send in your donation for starving children in Africa, know that some of your money might reach them!!

danschance: I'm sure you got all of this information from a source that is a passionate supporter of Joyce Meyers ministries.

According to the United states constitution a person has a right to be confronted with the witnesses against them (know who they are) and to know exactly what charges are being brought against them, so that they can answer these charges. Have you heard what Joyce Meyers ministries has had to say in response to these charges? (See bill of rights for all constitutional references)

Before I will pass any judgment on Joyce Meyers or any other human being I will need to hear both side of the story. This an elementary principle of justice. It is supported by & in my opinion has it's origin in the Bible. Jesus said: As you would have others do unto you do unto them likewise.

If someone were to bring charges against you regarding how you conducted your financial affairs would want to be able to speak in your own defense 1st, before it was made public?

The fact is everything there is to know about the financial affairs of Joyce Meyers ministries or any ministry or business the size of her ministry would require a great deal of man power to properly ascertain. How much man power have you expended?

Had it occurred to you there this ministry and it's principle agents may have "private financial enterprises" apart from the church? If so have you conducted a satisfactory investigation into those enterprises. In other words are you in possession of enough of the facts to even being to render a just & verdict. Or are you rushing to judgment? You know her salary as reported by your source, do know all the other facts about other expenditures? Do you care to know?

What do you know about the financial enterprises of those leveling these charges? Do you know who they are? What are their motives? Have they given the ministry a chance to answer these charges?

Is it reasonable as a private citizen to conduct an arbitrary investigation into a ministry, draw conclusions , air them publicly (before hearing what the accused have to say in their own defense) & then demand that they invest what might be hundreds of man hrs to to answer allegations that the ministry knows are untrue?

There are proper authorities that investigate fraud & misallocation of ministry resources, have these authorities brought charges? Has their been a fair hearing, where these charges can be answered? Has the ministry been found guilty in a court of law of any wrong doing?

According to the constitution a citizen of the United states shall not be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law. Has anyone been sent to jail (deprived of liberty) or have any resources been confiscated (deprived of property) because of some wrong doing the the ministry has been charged with & found guilty of in court of law?

If not, they are to be held as innocent until they have been given due process of law & proven guilty.

Joyce Meyers ministries has not been officially charged with, or found guilty of any the charges you have publicly brought against her. And unless you can prove them, she could prosecute you for slander & libel. But she won't . One reason is because if she took every one who defamed her to court she would have no time to do the work God has called her to do. And while I don't know her personally I'm familiar enough with her thru her ministry, that I'm sure she loves you & would respond to these charges by praying for you & asking God to bless you.

Jesus said In Matthew 18:15 - 20 If your brother trespass against you go to them & tell them their fault between you & them alone, if they hear you you have gained your brother. If they don't hear you go & get one or two more that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. If they do not hear them tell it to the whole church (make it public) if they do not hear them let them be unto you as a publican & sinner ( look at them with compassion as who who need to be redeemed)

The first step we should take when we suspect some wrong doing is to get our facts straight & then go to the person that's suspected & give them an opportunity to answer the charges. If we don't do that, we are acting contrary to what Jesus taught his disciples to do. Even if they have done some wrong, give them a chance to right their wrong before destroying their reputation. In other words seek redemption, to restore them, be gracious & kind, love them, they are only human.

danschance I don't know you & I can't pass judgment on you either. Their was a time when I thought I lot like you. I was a very critical person & I found fault with others easily. In fact I thought I was being Godly in doing it. I was cynical & disgusted at what I thought was a bunch of money grubbing preachers who cared nothing about me or others but only themselves. And make no mistake, I've suffered at the hands of a lot of church people, including those in positions of leadership. I call it "church hurt" It's very real & wide spread.

I started studying the bible for myself & learned these many principles that I've shared with you here. Taking note especially what Jesus taught his disciples. That's what I was supposed to be, his disciple, so I thought that's where I should look. I did & I found out how wrong I was. Now God is beginning to bless me & I'm learning how to love & treat people right.

Father I pray for danschance now, bless her in an extraordinary way, with your power & love, enable her to see thru the deception of the enemy, do the same for me father, I'm in desperate need of your guidance, we all are, apart from you we can do nothing. You can see down inside of us nothing is hidden from your eyes provide for us as you see we have need, we long for your delivering power to prevail in our lives, do for us what we can't do for ourselves. Bring into our lives your love, enabling us to love others & treat them with fairness & compassion, we are a needy people. Lord have mercy on us, lead us in that way you would have us go, conforming us to the image of your son Jesus, we could never do that for ourselves, we depend on you. Thank you father for hearing & honoring our prayers, you are a faithful God - we ask all in Jesus name AMEN? AMEN!

 

[jinx]

$23K marble topped antique toilet.....

That's some expensive toilet time she's got going there!!!! What's wrong with $160 toilet from lowes (the helpful place) and a nice cushion top seat from wal-mart?
Her toilet cost more than both my cars!!!!!

I wonder if the mileage is the same

 

[danschance]

danschance: I'm sure you got all of this information from a source that is a passionate supporter of Joyce Meyers ministries.

According to the United states constitution a person has a right to be confronted with the witnesses against them (know who they are) and to know exactly what charges are being brought against them, so that they can answer these charges. Have you heard what Joyce Meyers ministries has had to say in response to these charges? (See bill of rights for all constitutional references)

Before I will pass any judgment on Joyce Meyers or any other human being I will need to hear both side of the story. This an elementary principle of justice. It is supported by & in my opinion has it's origin in the Bible. Jesus said: As you would have others do unto you do unto them likewise.

If someone were to bring charges against you regarding how you conducted your financial affairs would want to be able to speak in your own defense 1st, before it was made public?

The fact is everything there is to know about the financial affairs of Joyce Meyers ministries or any ministry or business the size of her ministry would require a great deal of man power to properly ascertain. How much man power have you expended?

Had it occurred to you there this ministry and it's principle agents may have "private financial enterprises" apart from the church? If so have you conducted a satisfactory investigation into those enterprises. In other words are you in possession of enough of the facts to even being to render a just & verdict. Or are you rushing to judgment? You know her salary as reported by your source, do know all the other facts about other expenditures? Do you care to know?

What do you know about the financial enterprises of those leveling these charges? Do you know who they are? What are their motives? Have they given the ministry a chance to answer these charges?

Is it reasonable as a private citizen to conduct an arbitrary investigation into a ministry, draw conclusions , air them publicly (before hearing what the accused have to say in their own defense) & then demand that they invest what might be hundreds of man hrs to to answer allegations that the ministry knows are untrue?

There are proper authorities that investigate fraud & misallocation of ministry resources, have these authorities brought charges? Has their been a fair hearing, where these charges can be answered? Has the ministry been found guilty in a court of law of any wrong doing?

According to the constitution a citizen of the United states shall not be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law. Has anyone been sent to jail (deprived of liberty) or have any resources been confiscated (deprived of property) because of some wrong doing the the ministry has been charged with & found guilty of in court of law?

If not, they are to be held as innocent until they have been given due process of law & proven guilty.

Joyce Meyers ministries has not been officially charged with, or found guilty of any the charges you have publicly brought against her. And unless you can prove them, she could prosecute you for slander & libel. But she won't . One reason is because if she took every one who defamed her to court she would have no time to do the work God has called her to do. And while I don't know her personally I'm familiar enough with her thru her ministry, that I'm sure she loves you & would respond to these charges by praying for you & asking God to bless you.

Jesus said In Matthew 18:15 - 20 If your brother trespass against you go to them & tell them their fault between you & them alone, if they hear you you have gained your brother. If they don't hear you go & get one or two more that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. If they do not hear them tell it to the whole church (make it public) if they do not hear them let them be unto you as a publican & sinner ( look at them with compassion as who who need to be redeemed)

The first step we should take when we suspect some wrong doing is to get our facts straight & then go to the person that's suspected & give them an opportunity to answer the charges. If we don't do that, we are acting contrary to what Jesus taught his disciples to do. Even if they have done some wrong, give them a chance to right their wrong before destroying their reputation. In other words seek redemption, to restore them, be gracious & kind, love them, they are only human.

danschance I don't know you & I can't pass judgment on you either. Their was a time when I thought I lot like you. I was a very critical person & I found fault with others easily. In fact I thought I was being Godly in doing it. I was cynical & disgusted at what I thought was a bunch of money grubbing preachers who cared nothing about me or others but only themselves. And make no mistake, I've suffered at the hands of a lot of church people, including those in positions of leadership. I call it "church hurt" It's very real & wide spread.

I started studying the bible for myself & learned these many principles that I've shared with you here. Taking note especially what Jesus taught his disciples. That's what I was supposed to be, his disciple, so I thought that's where I should look. I did & I found out how wrong I was. Now God is beginning to bless me & I'm learning how to love & treat people right.

Father I pray for danschance now, bless her in an extraordinary way, with your power & love, enable her to see thru the deception of the enemy, do the same for me father, I'm in desperate need of your guidance, we all are, apart from you we can do nothing. You can see down inside of us nothing is hidden from your eyes provide for us as you see we have need, we long for your delivering power to prevail in our lives, do for us what we can't do for ourselves. Bring into our lives your love, enabling us to love others & treat them with fairness & compassion, we are a needy people. Lord have mercy on us, lead us in that way you would have us go, conforming us to the image of your son Jesus, we could never do that for ourselves, we depend on you. Thank you father for hearing & honoring our prayers, you are a faithful God - we ask all in Jesus name AMEN? AMEN!

Frst off, I am a man, not female. Secondly, I never said Joyce Meyers did anything illegal. I was not instigating my own investigation, nor did I say anything critical or judgmental of her, in my last post except for one sentence which was satire. All I did was quote others and list some extravagant expenditures of wealth.


Jesus never spent money on buying him a mansion, a new imported donkey or horse of exceptional breeding. He did not own a yacht or have designer sandals. He gave his money to those who needed it. Jesus said it is easier for a camel to go thru the eye of a needle than for a rich man to go to Heaven. Joyce Meyers, on the other hand, is rich and living the good life and that is a fact, not criticism.

 

[jimmydiggs]

JinX ! ;o)

It's true. I know you'll defend her and all the other TBN holla holla git dollaz crowd, but hey, they're a judgement on those who love those things.

 

[jinx]

I prefer my own pastors preaching. I can view the way he lives, see if he walks the talk, and the preaching is more personal. TV preachers are in it for the business and the business is $$$. And I do feel sorry for those who are stuck in their homes and they have no other way to get their preaching but by the tv. It's hard, I know. And I know that these home stuck people are just grasping at some sort of religious normalcy doing what ever they can to hear the preached word of GOD. BUT if the one receiving isn't grounded in truth, they will fall for anything those blood suckers on the tv say. And those blood suckers KNOW IT.
So I don't like ANY TV preacher and if that makes me evil in anyone's eyes then that's ok cause GOD isn't using anyone else's peepers but HIS own. GOD sees their sin, and unless your really naive, any GOD fearing christian should see that sin as well.

 

[GreenNnice]

I prefer my own pastors preaching. I can view the way he lives, see if he walks the talk, and the preaching is more personal. TV preachers are in it for the business and the business is $$$. And I do feel sorry for those who are stuck in their homes and they have no other way to get their preaching but by the tv. It's hard, I know. And I know that these home stuck people are just grasping at some sort of religious normalcy doing what ever they can to hear the preached word of GOD. BUT if the one receiving isn't grounded in truth, they will fall for anything those blood suckers on the tv say. And those blood suckers KNOW IT.
So I don't like ANY TV preacher and if that makes me evil in anyone's eyes then that's ok cause GOD isn't using anyone else's peepers but HIS own. GOD sees their sin, and unless your really naive, any GOD fearing christian should see that sin as well.

It doesn't make you evil, jinx, no one's said that, it just makes you JUDGMENTAL, and, you are judging a Lord's annointed, there are more people Joyce Meyers' brought to Christ than you can count in a handful of sand grains, make that, two handfuls

And, there is no way in the world that you should be even worrying about the money they make, what does Jesus say in John 21: 20-23 when Peter is talking with glorified Jesus and Peter looks back at John and knows that John will not die a martyr's horrible death like Peter realizes that's prophecy that he knows ?

"What about him, Lord," and, can't you see John just smiling at the ever-inquisitive, kid-like, whining of sir P
So, what does Jesus say, 'If I will that he (John) remains, what is that to you, you follow Me.'

Wow !

That's a 'wow' of all wows. And, you better believe your last bite of butterscotch ice cream, milady, that God is the same today, as yesterday, as forevermore. He not only has not changed His goodness, His all-authority, His all-power, His being all and all forevermore and foreverbefore there was a beginning, because God just WAS . In the beginning, God WAS, but God has NOT changed His way of showing us the way, from the law to the Love, it's just a guided path that our Great Shepherd has shown us, and, really, He has shown us all, from the beginning

So, don't go saying bad things about people that you may just be disagreeing with doctrine of, and, if Joyce Meyers has a yacht and owns an island, WHY SHOULD YOU CARE ! You shouldn't , you are to follow Him , His life for you, everyone else's life, even IF you are married and one flesh with your husband, is NOT you. YOU are to follow Him, you do things as He leads YOU, as the Spirit of God leads you and that is all

 

[JaumeJ]

Our Father will use that which is not to bring down that which is. Perhaps all TV preachers are false, perhaps some, and perhaps none but I know at least one of them has been used to help me in my walk with Yeshua, and she calls Him, Jesus.

It is strange how the truth may be heard from just about any source, yet all sources are not true. Our Father protects each of us, so let us keep to the business of mercy and to not judging, He loves that, amen.

 

[jinx]

It doesn't make you evil, jinx, no one's said that, it just makes you JUDGMENTAL, and, you are judging a Lord's annointed, there are more people Joyce Meyers' brought to Christ than you can count in a handful of sand grains, make that, two handfuls

And, there is no way in the world that you should be even worrying about the money they make, what does Jesus say in John 21: 20-23 when Peter is talking with glorified Jesus and Peter looks back at John and knows that John will not die a martyr's horrible death like Peter realizes that's prophecy that he knows ?

"What about him, Lord," and, can't you see John just smiling at the ever-inquisitive, kid-like, whining of sir P
So, what does Jesus say, 'If I will that he (John) remains, what is that to you, you follow Me.'

Wow !

That's a 'wow' of all wows. And, you better believe your last bite of butterscotch ice cream, milady, that God is the same today, as yesterday, as forevermore. He not only has not changed His goodness, His all-authority, His all-power, His being all and all forevermore and foreverbefore there was a beginning, because God just WAS . In the beginning, God WAS, but God has NOT changed His way of showing us the way, from the law to the Love, it's just a guided path that our Great Shepherd has shown us, and, really, He has shown us all, from the beginning

So, don't go saying bad things about people that you may just be disagreeing with doctrine of, and, if Joyce Meyers has a yacht and owns an island, WHY SHOULD YOU CARE ! You shouldn't , you are to follow Him , His life for you, everyone else's life, even IF you are married and one flesh with your husband, is NOT you. YOU are to follow Him, you do things as He leads YOU, as the Spirit of God leads you and that is all

I don't care about her yacht, I care about the people being sucked dry because of tv preachers. That's not being judgmental .... that's being cautious.
I sympathize with those that get sucked into their "gimmy gimmy" preaching. wow, you hate everything I say don't ya meanngreen. Do you have Jinx issues?

 

[GreenNnice]

I don't care about her yacht, I care about the people being sucked dry because of tv preachers. That's not being judgmental .... that's being cautious.
I sympathize with those that get sucked into their "gimmy gimmy" preaching. wow, you hate everything I say don't ya meanngreen. Do you have Jinx issues?

No, I don't hate everything you say, I try to come at it from a Love angle, everything you say, Love, not always probably right but, hey, I'm not perfect I am forgiven by the precious blood of the Lamb. And, good news ! So are you, jinx

And, fair enough to say what you said, but I would just be careful not to jinx yourself with God, He is over all, He is all and all and His annointeds ARE out there, regardless of what you might THINK Joyce Meyers is , she HAS led many, many, many to Christ, as a pure vessel for Him. I've personally only heard JM a time or two but she really did seem down to earth and spoke a good sermon on whatever she said. Again, our not liking a particular preacher's doctrine is NO grounds to say they are of the Devil . Right?

And, one more thing, I am Lord-led and so are you, right? And, just from a humanistic perspective, I believe you say your says very well on c.c., milady . i don't agree with this particular topic but , HEY!, I am sure there is something out there we both agree on, but, maybe not, maybe our doctrine is so much different we can;'t . But, again, GOOD NEWS!, I know we both believe in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour and that is the foundation that we are to build on. But we both have that foundation and that sends us BOTH to Heaven Following Him

 

[danschance]

My mom died a dirt poor woman. She listened to the TBN televangelist and preachers who filled her head full of pipe dreams. She once drove thru a rich neighborhood "claiming mansions in Jesus in name". I tried to tell her they were scammers but she would only get angry with me. How sad that was.

Out of the blue, we found out she was being evicted. She lead her landlord to believe "her ship was coming in and all her bills would be paid. Meanwhile people like Joyce Meyers are sitting the lap of luxury of money people like my mom gave them to do the Lord's work. Doesn't make any sense.

 

[GreenNnice]

My mom died a dirt poor woman. She listened to the TBN televangelist and preachers who filled her head full of pipe dreams. She once drove thru a rich neighborhood "claiming mansions in Jesus in name". I tried to tell her they were scammers but she would only get angry with me. How sad that was.

Out of the blue, we found out she was being evicted. She lead her landlord to believe "her ship was coming in and all her bills would be paid. Meanwhile people like Joyce Meyers are sitting the lap of luxury of money people like my mom gave them to do the Lord's work. Doesn't make any sense.

Hearing that, and, I'm sorry for that happening, danchance, but, yeah, the fact is that God is the ONLY one who will never let you down. He may let you sulk, He may let you take a knock or two, have you learn a lesson, but YOU stay faithful and He will, indeed, be FAITHFUL to you. He must be faithful to Himself and God is Love. There is no reason in the world though to QUIT going to church or anything else just because your pastor insults you in some way, like, asking for money, or whatever is insulting. YOU should just GO to another church, that is the Lord leading you elsewhere, that's all. He is all and all , and, it's a terrible, terrible travesty when someone leaves the faith, dEPARTS! because they were wronged by man in a church and then BLAME it all on God. Shame, shame, shame, oh, no, I am not shaming you, I would never do that, I am just telling it like it is and God will NEVER leave you nor forsake you. But, yeah, even Christian man, like a pastor, wILL do things to TEST your faith in God. Just will. THEY are human, too.

 

[JaumeJ]

I don't care about her yacht, I care about the people being sucked dry because of tv preachers. That's not being judgmental .... that's being cautious.
I sympathize with those that get sucked into their "gimmy gimmy" preaching. wow, you hate everything I say don't ya meanngreen. Do you have Jinx issues?

Our Lord, Yeshua, teaches us to judge for ourselves what is right because if we did not we would be hypocrites!

You are correct to be concerned, and to care for the oppressed. Nothing is of an higher urgency for all believers to practice.

Yeshua also teaches as long as we do not judge to condemnation, we do well, for with the judgment we judge so shall we be judged, and if we do not judge we will not be judged. These teachings help complete our salvation, that is, observing them. It is wonderful. Our Lord is wonderful, amen!