There is no such thing as Sola Scriptura

[homwardbound]

If Scripture is not our Final authority. We have absolutely no way to test all men to see if they are from God or not. And any man who claims to have power from god can change doctrine to anything he wants it to.

This is exactly how the jews fell to false doctrines, as the men who were supposedly put in charge by God and given authority, changed the meaning of doctrines, and added their own words through other written documents they considered equal with scripture.

Christ is my final Authority the Holy Ghost who came to live in me via beleif in the the finished work at the cross, the resurrection and thus our inward man leads us to all truth that sets us free. Bible is good but not the final authority, because man has changed a lot of scripture which changed a lot of truth such as the word Church does not mean the called out ones when in the original it was Ecclesia which does mean the called out ones. Where as Church means Building and Stephan was stoned to death by the religous leaders for saying the God does not reside in buildings as Saul then saw from a distance before he became Paul understanding the truth as it is. He gave up all his own works Phillipians 3
[h=3]Philippians 3[/h]King James Version (KJV)

3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
[SUP]18 [/SUP](For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

 

[homwardbound]

The behavior recorded was not pleasing to Heavenly Father.

There are many names of false gods recorded throughout.

Point being was this type of behavior pleasing to Heavenly Father?

no it certainly is not.

God has all wisdom, yes? God also has an infinate amount of tools yes? therefore God can nad will use any religion to bring those wanting to know him. Christ is preached and a divided kingdom can not stand so as Christ said to his disciples leave them alone for his name was being preached. Christ by the Holy Ghost speaks to each of us in our hearts, so whether one is doing it all wrong or not, if God has recieved them then God is able to make us stand, and all we can ever do is be waterers and planters, because it is God that gives the increase
Thanks for listening

 

[homwardbound]

I'm not apologizing. Instead, I'm calling you to repent of your evil actions as well.

You have beared false witness against your neighbor in this post and that is an act of evil. Repent.

Read my post on protestant bible worship here:http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/63478-do-protestants-worship-bible.html

The point of that thread is that it's easy to misunderstand what is going on if you don't have insider knowledge. To the uninitiated, it looks like protestants worship the Bible instead of God. Of course, protestants really don't worship the Bible. And Catholics don't worship idols and when you claim that we do, or that we worship Mary (we do not) or any of the other entirely false claims you make about the Church, you speak the lies of the devil and so commit evil in the presence of God.

Repent of this evil and ask God for forgiveness.

Please tell me who is your mediator between God and you? I have no right to condemn anyone because God chose not to condemn me via the cross, death, burial and resurrection
Thank you for your answer in advance

 

[CatholicJeremy]

Ok CJ...if thats really your intent...you back up your claim and provide where
i said i was an expert of anything. Or where i bragged.....ill wait
or where i said you worship idols and the rest of your false accusations while
you call others evil for the same

see you got ahead of yourself...you love to fight...your not the first one

You said that you have been studying Catholicism since before I was born. (post #41) I took this to imply that you were claiming to know more about it than I did or that you are some sort of expert. I know for a fact that you do not (otherwise, you'd be a Catholic) and so I called you on it.

I admit that I read something into your post that was not explicitly stated but at the same time, if that isn't what you meant, then what did you mean?

Anyway, I really am an expert on this stuff. I've been studying world history and religion since early childhood and there's no way that protestantism is the religion that Jesus intended and I'll take on anyone that wants to claim otherwise because I know that is just as false as holocaust denial.

If I falsely accused you of claiming we worship idols, then I apologize. A number of other people in this thread have made exactly that claim and I might have confused you with someone else. If I did, I have spoken falsely and I apologize for doing so.

But the claim that we do worship idols is entirely false and every one that makes that claim (not saying here that you have) is committing an act of evil when we do. Saying this is bearing false witness and condemned in the bible (in the big Ten no less) and therefore and act of evil.

I call a spade a spade and make no apologies for doing so.

I live for the fight and the challenge. The war I fight is a spiritual war and the enemy is the devil and his lies and I will fight furiously, ferociously and relentlessly against the enemy until I draw my last breath on this earth.

 

[CatholicJeremy]

Please tell me who is your mediator between God and you? I have no right to condemn anyone because God chose not to condemn me via the cross, death, burial and resurrection
Thank you for your answer in advance

You could say that there is one mediator between God and man and that is Jesus and that is almost correct.

My deity is Jesus Christ of Nazareth. As Jesus is God incarnate, it could rightly be said that our relationship is with God directly and so there is no mediator.

Another way to ask the question is who is the mediator between God THE FATHER and man. And again the answer is Jesus who is God the Son. And so there is one mediator.

(see how tricky language can be?)

 

[homwardbound]

I have and thoroughly and continue to do that.

A big difference between Catholic Christians and protestants is that The Catholic Christian approach to scripture is comprehensive whereas protestants read disparate verses at random.

I built my theology by starting on page one of Genesis and building my theology in chronological order as I read through the whole Bible. Protestants just pull verses from here and there and slap them together in ways that may or may not make any sense.

do you mean taking them out of context, being Cherry pickers to convince others that they tell truth. Well then a good practice might be and I think is to read at least 25 verses before the verse quoted by whoever and at 25 verses after the verse quoted do you agree, so then we personally can know the truth yes? and not just take any mans word for it yes?

 

[Abiding]

You said that you have been studying Catholicism since before I was born. (post #41) I took this to imply that you were claiming to know more about it than I did or that you are some sort of expert. I know for a fact that you do not (otherwise, you'd be a Catholic) and so I called you on it.

I admit that I read something into your post that was not explicitly stated but at the same time, if that isn't what you meant, then what did you mean?

Anyway, I really am an expert on this stuff. I've been studying world history and religion since early childhood and there's no way that protestantism is the religion that Jesus intended and I'll take on anyone that wants to claim otherwise because I know that is just as false as holocaust denial.

If I falsely accused you of claiming we worship idols, then I apologize. A number of other people in this thread have made exactly that claim and I might have confused you with someone else. If I did, I have spoken falsely and I apologize for doing so.

But the claim that we do worship idols is entirely false and every one that makes that claim (not saying here that you have) is committing an act of evil when we do. Saying this is bearing false witness and condemned in the bible (in the big Ten no less) and therefore and act of evil.

I call a spade a spade and make no apologies for doing so.

I live for the fight and the challenge. The war I fight is a spiritual war and the enemy is the devil and his lies and I will fight furiously, ferociously and relentlessly against the enemy until I draw my last breath on this earth.

I saw you yesterday in the chatroom. I may hold you accountable just as you claim to be holding others.
If you had read "my" posts youd have read i have catholic friends and dont bash catholics. And i dont bear
false witness. But you better slow down if you wanna stay on this site.

You may be in a spiritual war...but you also may be chasing your tail.
I have to go to work. Its not that im against debating doctrine with you.
But the explaination you gave...as far as your motive is against scripture and sinful
so in that light no thanks. If i feel the need to be smashed as you said....ill go visit my mother

 

[JaumeJ]

Hey, we have that in common, but most important, we have our Lord, Jesus, in common.............due to circumstances, I began the Baltimore Catechism three times, never quite finished, again, circumstances. Even then, Yeshua had other plans for me.

Jeremy if you want respect show respect....i started studying catholicism before you were born
if that means anything to you

 

[CatholicJeremy]

. If i feel the need to be smashed as you said....ill go visit my mother

I smash bad and false arguments, not people.

 

[homwardbound]

I'm calling your bluff. If you are up to, I'll take you on in a one and one debate. Don't accept unless you are willing to get your butt kicked (and really, really hard. I won't go easy on you and I will show no mercy. I'll tear every false and wrong idea that you propose apart and back it up with verifiable evidence. You will loose. That is a certainty.)

Wow, a little proud and boastful here CJ? not comdemning you but brother your flesh just flew off of your finger tips and has lashed out at others. Not good how does a sweet fountain of water spit out sour water. The tongue most vile of all out of one side we bless and then curse out of thesame, do you think this should be, I personally don't but to each his own and Love you man no matter what Church you attend or not, even if you chose not to beleive, I am glad that you have chose to though for God himself will carry on the good work God began in you to know the truth tat sets you free from revileing back to others you have said have reviled you, and I apologize, for this offending you. We are truly not here to offend but to help each grow in the anazing love of our Father recieved through Christ Jesus. Go's kingdom is of Heaven not this earth and as he reminded Peter of this putting down his sword, then restored that man's ear that Peter had cut off. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if this was me and had my ear restored what an effect this has on me, now putting this as if this was you how would you react as well as anyone else reading this here
Love from God to all here

 

[homwardbound]

You could say that there is one mediator between God and man and that is Jesus and that is almost correct.

My deity is Jesus Christ of Nazareth. As Jesus is God incarnate, it could rightly be said that our relationship is with God directly and so there is no mediator.

Another way to ask the question is who is the mediator between God THE FATHER and man. And again the answer is Jesus who is God the Son. And so there is one mediator.

(see how tricky language can be?)

Thank you and yes I know this and is why I asked, yes we are oine in the Spirit through Christ unto Father no way to get to Fathere except by Christ the cross is where we are admitted into new life the resurrection of becomes ours as well

 

[CatholicJeremy]

Abiding, BTW, you talk about respect.

As soon as this thread started, people began accusing me all kinds of foul things, saying I worship Mary and idols and stuff.

This is a really hateful, evil and disgusting things to say about someone and it's entirely false.

How would you like it if people were continually accusing you of engaging in paganism and witchcraft and when it wasn't true at all?

I'm sick and tired of it. And yes, it is thoroughly evil for people to claim this stuff about us because it's not true at all.

And so I'm done putting up with it. If someone wants to say that about us, then I'm going their lies the demonic filth that it is. And yes it is an evil, demonic and filthy thing to go around claiming that Catholics worship idols and people that say such things do in fact speak the evil, demonic and filthy lies of the devil.

 

[GreenNnice]

Have no idea what you are talking about here. I try to avoid doing anything that is not acceptable or condemned.



And I don't and I have no knowledge of any Catholic Christian that does. Of course, if one did worship idols, they would be excommunicated. Idol Worship is strictly forbidden by Church teachings.



Actually, yes, he did. What do you think the "Lord's Prayer" is?



Okay, so you just made my point for me.



Not sure what you mean by this but there is an objective truth. There is not my truth and then your truth. If your or my 'truth' contradicts the real truth, then we are wrong to the degree that our individual truth differs from the real 'truth.'

Everything in our life that happens to us, will be based on Scripture, and, we will, indeed, in our lives be touched by the hand of God, we will SEE His work in our life, but everything that happens to us is based on Scripture. There is NOTHING outside of God's holy bible, 66 books, that appeals to me, because the bible is enough, it is complete, it is finished

 

[CatholicJeremy]

Wow, a little proud and boastful here CJ?

If someone claims that the holocaust didn't happen and they want to debate it, they'll loose (assuming their opponent is competent) because it's an entirely false claim. If someone wants to argue that the earth is flat, they'll loose because it's a false claim.

Same thing.

Merely being confident of the truth doesn't in and of itself make one prideful.

not comdemning you but brother your flesh just flew off of your finger tips and has lashed out at others.

This might hold a lot more water if people were actually willing to either attempt to back up the filthy and demonic lies they speak against Christians and/or if they'd simply admit they are/were wrong for making such claims after being shown to be false.

Look all over this board man. People are speaking and posting all kinds of evil, filthy, demonic lies against Catholic Christians. I admit, I can be hot-headed at times but the onslaught is nonstop.

Put yourself in our shoes for a minute. How would you like it if people went around saying that you were a pagan and witch and worshiped idols and worshiped men and women (and all the other demonically inspired lies that are told about us).

I am calling this the evil of the devil that it is and standing up to it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

When someone claims that Catholics worship idols, they are making a false claim and so are bearing false witness against their neighbor. This is an evil act. There's no getting around that.[/B][/COLOR]

Like I said. do two wrongs make a right?

You juding all protestants is being misinformed is no different than them claiming something you disagree with..

don't e a hyporcrit

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm calling your bluff. If you are up to, I'll take you on in a one and one debate. Don't accept unless you are willing to get your butt kicked (and really, really hard. I won't go easy on you and I will show no mercy. I'll tear every false and wrong idea that you propose apart and back it up with verifiable evidence. You will loose. That is a certainty.)

Wow. Dude get some humility. no one is going to listen to a thing you say with an attitude like this. Christ never spoke to people this way, what makes you think you have the right?

 

[CatholicJeremy]

Like I said. do two wrongs make a right?

You juding all protestants is being misinformed is no different than them claiming something you disagree with..

don't e a hyporcrit

Actually, no I'm not. I'm not judging any protestants. I'm judging the behavior and actions.

When someone murders, they have committed evil. This is a fact.

When someone steals, they have committed evil. This is a fact.

When someone claims that Catholic Christians worship idols, Mary, the pope, etc., they have beared false witness and so have committed evil. This is a fact.

There is no getting around that.

I never called any one person evil. Only the action.

 

[JaumeJ]

Perhaps you should read the "Hail Holy Queen." Also, the Hail Marys of the Rosary, another article of blasphemy. Stop judging others for the sole reason you cannot support your wild and erroneous beliefs. Worship God, believe Him, for He is worthy neither you nor I am.........worship God, amen.

Actually, no I'm not. I'm not judging any protestants. I'm judging the behavior and actions.

When someone murders, they have committed evil. This is a fact.

When someone steals, they have committed evil. This is a fact.

When someone claims that Catholic Christians worship idols, Mary, the pope, etc., they have beared false witness and so have committed evil. This is a fact.

There is no getting around that.

I never called any one person evil. Only the action.

 

[CatholicJeremy]

Wow. Dude get some humility. no one is going to listen to a thing you say with an attitude like this. Christ never spoke to people this way, what makes you think you have the right?

You have a point. Maybe I should learn to be more humble. The facts are on my side of the debate and sometimes it's hard to be humble when you are right and can demonstrate it.

I will pray for humility and I ask that you do the same on my behalf.

I'm not a bad guy or anything like that. Just intense, passionate and often hot-headed.

I live for fighting for the cause and quite often my zeal gets the better of me.

 

[CatholicJeremy]

Perhaps you should read the "Hail Holy Queen." Also, the Hail Marys of the Rosary, another article of blasphemy. Stop judging others for the sole reason you cannot support your wild and erroneous beliefs. Worship God, believe Him, for He is worthy neither you nor I am.........worship God, amen.

What is it that you are hoping to communicate to me?