There is no such thing as Sola Scriptura
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You mean like alot of them do yours?? Again does two wrongs make a right.. why do you keep making excuses?
1. When someone other than God is prayed to, it is worship. And holding them equal to God. That is fact
2. When a bible a statue, a person or any thing is admired, prayed to, kissed, bowed down to. that is worship. that is fact.
So when someone calls people out on it. Don;t judge them, they are just stating facts. All catholics do not do this. many do. that is fact.
don;t judge unless you are able to take being judged yourself!
Let us begin with what the Vatican added to the greeting of Elizabeth to Mary, the most blessed of all women ever.
From the mouths of men, "Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death."
Man has made her a mediator between himself and God in place of Jesus Christ putting a mere servant woman in the place of Jesus Christ, God.
How much plainer do you want this picture?
Now the Hail Holy Queen is just as awful, an abomination, and CCR members around the world recite these prayers rote repeatedly, also against the teaching of our Lord, when He taught us the words of the Our Father, teaching that we not be like the pagans who for their vast amount of words think they will be heard.
It is better two words with understanding in prayer to our Father than reciting the entire catholic catechism with no understanding.
To believe in reciting these made up prayers by men is an abomination. Now you know, repent!
From the mouths of men, "Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death."
Man has made her a mediator between himself and God in place of Jesus Christ putting a mere servant woman in the place of Jesus Christ, God.
How much plainer do you want this picture?
Now the Hail Holy Queen is just as awful, an abomination, and CCR members around the world recite these prayers rote repeatedly, also against the teaching of our Lord, when He taught us the words of the Our Father, teaching that we not be like the pagans who for their vast amount of words think they will be heard.
It is better two words with understanding in prayer to our Father than reciting the entire catholic catechism with no understanding.
To believe in reciting these made up prayers by men is an abomination. Now you know, repent!
Catholic Christians don't go around accusing protestants of worshiping the bible or making other false claims about protestants. Protestants make numerous false claims about Catholic Christians continually. You are even making them in this post.
Different kind of praying. When we "pray" to Mary or the Saints, we are using the word pray in an archaic way that has fallen out of common usage in the English language. It's not the same kind of pray as praying to God. It's more like about two hundred years ago, I might say to you, "I pray you go to the store and get me some bread." This usage of the word pray has fallen out of common usage.
And so you are misunderstanding what is going on and so your claim is made entirely out of ignorance.
Which we don't do. And so you have spoken an untruth, a lie, an evil.
No, the real fact is you have spoken in complete ignorance.
We don't bow down to or pray to statues or bibles or anything like that. Again,you speak in complete and total ignorance.
Admiring a person or a piece of artwork is a normal and natural thing, especially if that person or the piece of artwork merits admiration. You can claim that you have never admired any one or their handiwork if you want but that's not going to reflect well upon you. Kissing is not worship. In fact, you can't kiss God and so kissing isn't even related to worship. As for praying, I explained that above.
No, they are just stating the filthy demonic lies of the devil based upon complete and utter ignorance.
Again, I don't judge people, only behavior and action.
And your behavior and action in this post is you have spoken lies of the devil in ignorance of the truth.
Wrong. I can. There is pre-Christian Jewish history and there are documents in the form of letters exchanged by the early Church fathers. Also, there's the council of Nicaea and a number of other early Church councils in which records were kept. All this evidence (and much more) paints a picture of a very Catholic early Church.
We're not just playing guessing games here. We really do have mountains upon mountains of evidence to support the claim that the early Church was very much so Catholic right from the start. If you start digging and actually studying early Church history, you'll find that out. It's unavoidable to any serious scholar.
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no, they falsly accuse them of many other things. And people make false claims about MANY denominations (catholic church is just one denomination among many) it is not just an anti catholic thing..
Praying to a dead person is evil. You can not say it is like praying to a live person. I am here and can hear you. Unless mary is omnipresent, she can not hear two people from both sides of the glove pray at the same time. Not to mention omniscient and omnipotent to hear and understand them all at once, Only God can do this.
They are not God. they CAN NOT HEAR YOU. and you are putting them up as equal to God. that is fact. you can deny it all you want. it will not change it.. Catholics are not the only ones that do it. many denominations do it. so it is not anti-catholic to make these claims, it is fighting against a tradition which is not from God. no matter who does it.
I understand quite well. Facts are facts. that is the problem with tradition apart from Gods word. God did not tell you to pray to thos in the grave, Men did.. That why you HATE sola scriptura, because it destroys your religion.
sorry, But many of you, including your pope. does. As you say, facts are facts.
dude, I have been a christian studying God, his word. and all denominations for over 30 years now. Don't be so arrogant
lol. I have seen it many times. by catholics and others who are not catholic.. Again you show lack of humility and a closed eye to things going on around you.
1. Pagans do those things, the did them long before the roman church did
2. God told us not to be like the pegan and do as they do.
You want to act like a pagan that is up to you. but don;t judge those who disagree with you.
Blah Blah Blah.. this argument gets old
Same here, and I am judging actions of many (not all) in the roman church and many like them who do things not from god.
do you have anything to discuss. or just keep on judging what you do not know?? you don;t discuss things by calling people ignorant and unlearned. again, all you will do is alienate yourself..
Praying to a dead person is evil. You can not say it is like praying to a live person. I am here and can hear you. Unless mary is omnipresent, she can not hear two people from both sides of the glove pray at the same time. Not to mention omniscient and omnipotent to hear and understand them all at once, Only God can do this.
They are not God. they CAN NOT HEAR YOU. and you are putting them up as equal to God. that is fact. you can deny it all you want. it will not change it.. Catholics are not the only ones that do it. many denominations do it. so it is not anti-catholic to make these claims, it is fighting against a tradition which is not from God. no matter who does it.
I understand quite well. Facts are facts. that is the problem with tradition apart from Gods word. God did not tell you to pray to thos in the grave, Men did.. That why you HATE sola scriptura, because it destroys your religion.
sorry, But many of you, including your pope. does. As you say, facts are facts.
dude, I have been a christian studying God, his word. and all denominations for over 30 years now. Don't be so arrogant
lol. I have seen it many times. by catholics and others who are not catholic.. Again you show lack of humility and a closed eye to things going on around you.
1. Pagans do those things, the did them long before the roman church did
2. God told us not to be like the pegan and do as they do.
You want to act like a pagan that is up to you. but don;t judge those who disagree with you.
Blah Blah Blah.. this argument gets old
Same here, and I am judging actions of many (not all) in the roman church and many like them who do things not from god.
do you have anything to discuss. or just keep on judging what you do not know?? you don;t discuss things by calling people ignorant and unlearned. again, all you will do is alienate yourself..
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Wrong you can't. History, tradition, and writings of the jews proved the pharisees were right, and Jesus was a protestant and a heretic. Thats the problem with going to history and tradition. and rejecting the scripture as the sole authority.
No. You have evidence your following men, and say it is proof. Again, if this is how god wanted us to do things, We are all doomed, because jesus was a fraud.
No. You have evidence your following men, and say it is proof. Again, if this is how god wanted us to do things, We are all doomed, because jesus was a fraud.
It's clear you have no idea what you are talking about. If you want to ask me questions about the Catholic Christian religion, I'll be more than happy to answer them. But I'm not going to entertain even for a second the fiction that you know what you are talking about at this time. Until you show some willingness to learn instead of wallowing in your absolute ignorance, I'm done responding to your posts.
You have no reply when the truth is presented to you. The more you say you see when you are blind, the more the guilt remains. Now, your words: Repent! Again I say, worship God, believe Him, for He is worthy, not your theology. After all Catholicism is a theology and not the Bible. May God open your eyes so that you truly see, until then, it is a very sinful thing to accuse everyone with whom you interact of lying. There is a saying, "A thief sees all others as thieves." So it is with liars. May the Father have mercy on your soul, amen.
So, without being told ANYTHING about what was in it, you read the Bible, start to finish?
You asked for no help in understanding any of it?
You were not provided with opinion or comment from others?
And you were not a religious person before you read it?
If your answers are Yes to all the above then you have not put your trust in the oral traditions of men.
If you said no, or wavered then you have been taught what to believe.
You asked for no help in understanding any of it?
You were not provided with opinion or comment from others?
And you were not a religious person before you read it?
If your answers are Yes to all the above then you have not put your trust in the oral traditions of men.
If you said no, or wavered then you have been taught what to believe.
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That is not always true. Unless she believes EVERYTHING the a particular person says without questioning anything, then you would be wrong.
Like Luke tells us in the book of acts. One church was honorable in that they reasoned with everything Paul said with scripture. they did not take him as soul authority.. nor did they just blindly listen to him..
Like Luke tells us in the book of acts. One church was honorable in that they reasoned with everything Paul said with scripture. they did not take him as soul authority.. nor did they just blindly listen to him..
You have no need that others tell you anything for the Spirit which you have received has taught you all you need to know. I know this teaching is true because it is my experience, and I believe it is the experience of all who know Jesus Christ, Yeshua, is Lord and God.
Why? In the Word we are taught that no one comes to Yeshua unless the Father draws him to Him. We are also taught the confession of the Messiah come in the flesh and died for our sins is the spirit of prophesy. No where in the Word are we taught we must learn from any other than the Holy Spirit, be it from the Word taught by Him or through other believers, yet the latter is still by the Holy Spirit, never traditions or the oral tradition of men. What is written is true when revealed by the Holy Spirit.
Loveme1 is family in Yeshua, and she knows because of the reasons here and many more. Listen to her, love her, and share with her. She has taught me much, that is the Holy Spirit using her.
Why? In the Word we are taught that no one comes to Yeshua unless the Father draws him to Him. We are also taught the confession of the Messiah come in the flesh and died for our sins is the spirit of prophesy. No where in the Word are we taught we must learn from any other than the Holy Spirit, be it from the Word taught by Him or through other believers, yet the latter is still by the Holy Spirit, never traditions or the oral tradition of men. What is written is true when revealed by the Holy Spirit.
Loveme1 is family in Yeshua, and she knows because of the reasons here and many more. Listen to her, love her, and share with her. She has taught me much, that is the Holy Spirit using her.
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You mean the same book Peter already called scripture?
Talk about pride and arrogance. God put scripture together, it was complete the moment the last words were penned. Most or all of pauls writtings were already dispersed to all or most churches and already considered scripture.
Again this is the problem with listening to men.. God did it. Yet you give credit to men. Enough said.
Talk about pride and arrogance. God put scripture together, it was complete the moment the last words were penned. Most or all of pauls writtings were already dispersed to all or most churches and already considered scripture.
Again this is the problem with listening to men.. God did it. Yet you give credit to men. Enough said.