First you didn't answer the question,and two the children of Israel had been slaves for 400 years. They did NOT get the fruits of their own labor. If I am reading this right you are implying that somehow you are under a form of slavery,but yet you will accept another form of slavery where someone else will determine your needs and what you get and what you do not get. HMM Ironic.
IF Money is the ROOT of EVIL, Then Why Use It Seeing What It Does To People?
- Thread starter justamazed
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
First you didn't answer the question,and two the children of Israel had been slaves for 400 years. They did NOT get the fruits of their own labor. If I am reading this right you are implying that somehow you are under a form of slavery,but yet you will accept another form of slavery where someone else will determine your needs and what you get and what you do not get. HMM Ironic.
A survey into the life goals of three generations of students revealed a 'fantasy gap' between the desire for wealth and the desire to work.
Teenagers driven by material good but lack work ethic: 'fantasy gap' between actual earnings and expectations widens among graduates | Mail Online < click
Teenagers driven by material good but lack work ethic: 'fantasy gap' between actual earnings and expectations widens among graduates | Mail Online < click
R
Money is not the root, its as simple as that. But it's the Love of money is the root to all evil. God know we need money to buy certain things. But its the love of money God is talking about in this question. However?
Did not Jesus say, "Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God." (Luke 6:20) Whose right? Was it riches he was promising or spiritual blessings?
Throughout the Bible there is a constant warning of riches being a snare. David who had it all prayed that the Lord would not give him too little, that he would be in need or too much that he would forget God. In the middle ages the church thought that for one to be poor was equivalent to being spiritual. Today it is on the opposite extreme, to be rich shows God's blessings. They have fixed their eyes on earth and become subject to the earthly law of gravity, instead of fixing their eyes to heaven above by true faith.
Do riches prove God's blessings? Nothing could be further from the truth. Their are many a heathen and atheist who are rich despite their disbelief. Prosperity is not an absolute to show Gods hand in ones life, it might in fact show the opposite.
Proverbs 16:16: tells those who want to pursue God - it is better to get wisdom instead of gold.
Matt 6:19-21: "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; "but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal "For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
I hope this helped.
Did not Jesus say, "Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God." (Luke 6:20) Whose right? Was it riches he was promising or spiritual blessings?
Throughout the Bible there is a constant warning of riches being a snare. David who had it all prayed that the Lord would not give him too little, that he would be in need or too much that he would forget God. In the middle ages the church thought that for one to be poor was equivalent to being spiritual. Today it is on the opposite extreme, to be rich shows God's blessings. They have fixed their eyes on earth and become subject to the earthly law of gravity, instead of fixing their eyes to heaven above by true faith.
Do riches prove God's blessings? Nothing could be further from the truth. Their are many a heathen and atheist who are rich despite their disbelief. Prosperity is not an absolute to show Gods hand in ones life, it might in fact show the opposite.
Proverbs 16:16: tells those who want to pursue God - it is better to get wisdom instead of gold.
Matt 6:19-21: "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; "but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal "For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
I hope this helped.
And Paul said if any man shall not work NEITHER shall he eat. Paul himself worked as a tent maker to EARN MONEY to be able to buy what he needed. The Lord provides the work but He does expect one to work. (Unless one is unable to) You forget this is part of the curse
Genesis 3
Genesis 3
[SUP]17 [/SUP]To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”
2 Thessalonians 3:6-17
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;
[SUP]8[/SUP]Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
[SUP]11[/SUP]For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Now them that are such (meaning that WHATEVER you view work and bread to be, OF THOSE THAT DO NOT WORK) we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But ye, brethren, (or those that DO WORK) be not weary in well doing.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
[SUP]15[/SUP]Yet count him not as an enemy, (THOSE THAT DO NOT WORK FOR THEIR BREAD IN YOUR EYES) but admonish him as a brother.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Now the Lord of peace himself give you peace always by all means. The Lord be with you all.
I believe we had this discussion before on these very same verses. My answer will not change. You are correct. We ARE to work for our bread..... BUT for only 6 days or 6,000 years. We are COMMANDED now to ABIDE IN OUR PLACE as bread is no longer to be gathered in the field or world. Paul reiterates this mentality stating that every man was to abide in his calling in Christ. If you were called being circumcised (Those who by the flesh try to live a "godly" lifestyle) do not become uncircumcised, and for those who are uncircumcised (Those who by the standards of the flesh DO NOT live a "godly" lifestyle) not to become circumcised.
This what is meant by the statement "Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision availeth nothing (seeing as all die), but keep the commandments of God (Who has told us to abide in our place).
We see that this GREAT REST of mankind is upon us by the things we can see. The over abundance of houses, food, and anything else are evident as a witness against us all that we are a stubborn people!
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;
[SUP]8[/SUP]Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
[SUP]11[/SUP]For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Now them that are such (meaning that WHATEVER you view work and bread to be, OF THOSE THAT DO NOT WORK) we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But ye, brethren, (or those that DO WORK) be not weary in well doing.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
[SUP]15[/SUP]Yet count him not as an enemy, (THOSE THAT DO NOT WORK FOR THEIR BREAD IN YOUR EYES) but admonish him as a brother.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Now the Lord of peace himself give you peace always by all means. The Lord be with you all.
I believe we had this discussion before on these very same verses. My answer will not change. You are correct. We ARE to work for our bread..... BUT for only 6 days or 6,000 years. We are COMMANDED now to ABIDE IN OUR PLACE as bread is no longer to be gathered in the field or world. Paul reiterates this mentality stating that every man was to abide in his calling in Christ. If you were called being circumcised (Those who by the flesh try to live a "godly" lifestyle) do not become uncircumcised, and for those who are uncircumcised (Those who by the standards of the flesh DO NOT live a "godly" lifestyle) not to become circumcised.
This what is meant by the statement "Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision availeth nothing (seeing as all die), but keep the commandments of God (Who has told us to abide in our place).
We see that this GREAT REST of mankind is upon us by the things we can see. The over abundance of houses, food, and anything else are evident as a witness against us all that we are a stubborn people!
Matthew 6:24“No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.
Luke 16:13“No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.”
Matthew 19:24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
[h=3]The Rich and the Kingdom of God, Matt. 19[/h][SUP]16 [/SUP]Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
[SUP]17 [/SUP]“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“Which ones?” he inquired.
Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, [SUP]19 [/SUP]honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’”
[SUP]20 [/SUP]“All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
[SUP]22 [/SUP]When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
What do you think he was saying to them about impossible and possible? And what do you think he was talkingabout with God, Could it be him going to the cross?
Not long after that the Lord's prayer came into effect, HMMM I wonder if this prayer was meant for him to be able to make there, and the devil not to figure out what his death would do and then what his resurrection would bring to the ones that believe? Could it be new life? as Romans 6 so well states? Food for thought between God and you
Luke 16:13“No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.”
Matthew 19:24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
[h=3]The Rich and the Kingdom of God, Matt. 19[/h][SUP]16 [/SUP]Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
[SUP]17 [/SUP]“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“Which ones?” he inquired.
Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, [SUP]19 [/SUP]honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’”
[SUP]20 [/SUP]“All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
[SUP]22 [/SUP]When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
What do you think he was saying to them about impossible and possible? And what do you think he was talkingabout with God, Could it be him going to the cross?
Not long after that the Lord's prayer came into effect, HMMM I wonder if this prayer was meant for him to be able to make there, and the devil not to figure out what his death would do and then what his resurrection would bring to the ones that believe? Could it be new life? as Romans 6 so well states? Food for thought between God and you
Is this what you would do Zone? Are you speaking from experience in the daily dealings of cocaine, whiskey or any of the above mention? What puts people in a position to be either predator or prey if not for gain, advantage, or profit?
What is a sin? The man doing lines of cocaine or one who believes that the bulk of the populace is eternally doomed?
James 1:14-17
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Do not err, my beloved brethren.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
In other words, be careful of what you wish.
I'm saying that we do as the early church did and make all things common. Mankind coming together along with our planet's greatest minds and instead of fighting one another, we work together to make life as enjoyable for all. We have enough empty houses available to take in the 3 million we have here that are homeless along with an additional 15 million individuals. The number of people that we can give housing can skyrocket when you add the factor of families moving into one house and not individuals!
Because of profit our society has to constantly spend, with the goods sold guaranteed to all but break down. The only reason cd's are still even made is for money. All music, movies, and shows can be streamed to your house effortlessly without waste or clutter. The only thing holding us back from this is ourselves. If we go to our government and say that this is what we want to do to combat terrorism they have no choice but to obey!
The love of money is the root of all evil, correct? Now let's do this in a simple algebraic expression.
Love + Money = ALL EVIL
Do we know what love represents or equals?
God = Love
We cannot have two masters as this is only caused by profit and advantage over another. For example if a man murders a man or commits even a drug felony, by law we who act not the same have an advantage. Even if they both completely repent of what by law they had sold, does the world treats them as such?
Remember Pharaoh knew not the LORD of Israel. Why?
Proverbs 30:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the Lord? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain.
Pharaoh didn't know the LORD because He was FULL.
What is a sin? The man doing lines of cocaine or one who believes that the bulk of the populace is eternally doomed?
James 1:14-17
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Do not err, my beloved brethren.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
In other words, be careful of what you wish.
I'm saying that we do as the early church did and make all things common. Mankind coming together along with our planet's greatest minds and instead of fighting one another, we work together to make life as enjoyable for all. We have enough empty houses available to take in the 3 million we have here that are homeless along with an additional 15 million individuals. The number of people that we can give housing can skyrocket when you add the factor of families moving into one house and not individuals!
Because of profit our society has to constantly spend, with the goods sold guaranteed to all but break down. The only reason cd's are still even made is for money. All music, movies, and shows can be streamed to your house effortlessly without waste or clutter. The only thing holding us back from this is ourselves. If we go to our government and say that this is what we want to do to combat terrorism they have no choice but to obey!
The love of money is the root of all evil, correct? Now let's do this in a simple algebraic expression.
Love + Money = ALL EVIL
Do we know what love represents or equals?
God = Love
We cannot have two masters as this is only caused by profit and advantage over another. For example if a man murders a man or commits even a drug felony, by law we who act not the same have an advantage. Even if they both completely repent of what by law they had sold, does the world treats them as such?
Remember Pharaoh knew not the LORD of Israel. Why?
Proverbs 30:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the Lord? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain.
Pharaoh didn't know the LORD because He was FULL.
M
Lol, and before I'm "corrected" about "the love of money" being the root and not money itself, remember God is LOVE. We cannot take love away no matter how it's expressed. We surely can't get rid of people, but do we have the mentality to do away with money? Comparing the love of GOD to the love of money? Really?? If we did not have currency, we would have the original 'money' of bartering. It is the love of riches/stuff/accumulation that is the ROOT of all evil. It is GREED which comes from PRIDE and thinking that one is due more than they really are. It is selfishness, which also comes from pride. It is also fear...of not having enough, which also comes from pride. No one needs the 'mentality to do away with money'. What everyone needs is WISDOM so as to know How to stuward/use what they have.
Maggie
Maggie