There is no such thing as Sola Scriptura

[crossnote]

Banned Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh well, so how do we tell if one is banned or not? where do I go to see this

Cheap phone?

 

[ChristReconcilesAll]

and about roman catholics worshipping mary...i can't speak for -all- roman catholics...but it is simply a sad fact that -some- roman catholics -do- worship mary...

as an example...here are some quotations from the 'psalter of the virgin mary'...a medieval roman catholic text attributed to bonaventura...

from marian psalm xviii..."The heavens declare your glory, O Virgin Mary"
compare with this line from the biblical psalm 19..."The heavens declare the glory of God"

from marian psalm xli..."As the hart pants after the waterbrooks, so my soul pants after your love, holy Virgin"
compare with psalm 42..."As the deer pants for streams of water, so my soul pants for you, my God."

from marian psalm xc..."He who dwells in the assistance of the mother of God will abide under her protection"
compare with psalm 91..."Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty."

from marian psalm xciv..."Come, let us praise our Lady, let us make a joyful noise to the Virgin, our Savior. Let us come before her presence with jubilation and join in praising her in songs."
compare with psalm 95..."Come, let us sing for joy to the Lord; let us shout aloud to the Rock of our salvation. Let us come before him with thanksgiving and extol him with music and song.

from marian psalm xcvii..."Sing to our Lady a new song, because she has done marvelous things."
compare with psalm 98..."Sing to the Lord a new song, for he has done marvelous things"

from marian psalm cii..."Bless, O my soul, the mother of Jesus Christ, and let all that is within me glorify her name. Forget not her benefits"
compare with psalm 103..."Praise the Lord, my soul; all my inmost being, praise his holy name. Praise the Lord, my soul, and forget not all his benefits"

from marian psalm cvi..."O give thanks to the Lord, for He is good; give thanks to His mother, because her mercy endures forever."
compare with psalm 107..."Give thanks to the Lord, for he is good; his love endures forever."

from marian psalm cix..."The Lord said to my Lady: 'Sit, mother Mine, at My right hand."
compare with psalm 110..."The Lord says to my lord: 'Sit at my right hand"

from marian psalm cxvi..."Praise our Lady, all you Gentiles; glorify her, all peoples."
compare with psalm 117..."Praise the Lord, all you nations; extol him, all you peoples."

from marian psalm cxxix..."Out of the depths have I cried to you, Lady; Lady hear my voice. Let your ears be attentive to the voice of your praise and glorification."
compare with psalm 130..."Out of the depths I cry to you, Lord; Lord, hear my voice. Let your ears be attentive to my cry for mercy."

from marian psalm cxlix..."Sing to our Lady a new song, her praise in the congregation of the just."
compare with psalm 149..."Sing to the Lord a new song, his praise in the assembly of his faithful people."

from marian psalm cl..."Praise our Lady in her sanctuary"
compare with psalm 150..."Praise God in his sanctuary"

all of the 'psalter of the virgin mary' is like this...every marian psalm begins with what is basically a quotation from the corresponding biblical psalm where the name of God is replaced by a name or title of mary... after mangling all 150 psalms they go on to do the same thing to the song of moses...mary's magnificat...the song of zechariah...the song of simeon...

I guess I need to start using the Reply With Quote link from now on. I'm sorry for the confusion folks. I'm a distracted rookie trying to do my best. I'll get with the program slowly but surely.

Anyway, you're right, sister, these guys don't want to say they worship Mary, but praying to her is not cool because you should only pray to God.

 

[ChristReconcilesAll]

ChristReconcilesAll,

It looks like you are reading one thread somewhere else and responding here. Your posts do not seem to be connected to anything anyone is saying here.

Maybe if you used the "reply with quote" feature it would help.
?

Yeah, I just started doing that, and I guess I'm nuts to be replying to this message because I see you're banned now. If you Catholic zealots would learn to be less offensive, you might stick around longer.

 

[ChristReconcilesAll]

Well, I hope this thread is winding down.

Basically, the way I see it is the disagreement, as stated in the title is that "The Bible is NOT enough on its own." No Sola Scriptura.

The Catholic Church, since 400 AD or so, when it started, has gradually added to the Bible, which included church dogma, adding the Apocrypha, and traditions that are not based on Scripture.

It could get away with this, because the Bible was kept from the people, and the people could not read.

So my debt of gratitude is to the Reformers, who took the Word of God and actually began to read it in the original languages and translate it for the people into the vernacular, while Rome obscured the gospel with Latin and rites and rituals. I do not think this was a conspiracy, or plotted, but simply an example of absolute power corrupting absolutely.

Then, Martin Luther discovered Romans 5:1

"Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." Romans 5:1

This one single verse (yes, read it in context and you will find it still says the same thing!!) revolutionized a church that was collapsing from within, and robbing the people, charging for indulgences to get people out of hell, so they could build palaces for bishops, archbishops and popes.

The Roman Catholic Church fought back hard, but the truth cannot be hidden forever. The truth of salvation by faith, became known and many groups in Europe and the Americans began to worship the only true and living God, Jesus Christ.

I pray that rather than raking over the coals various Catholic doctrines, we could just continue to quote the Bible. Ultimately, God did leave the Bible as our ONLY guide.

That is why I say to the OP (the post, not the banned OP person),

God has ordained his WORD to be the guide for all Christians. Any traditions of men, and churches which do not follow Sola Scriptura, is far from God.

"knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." 2 Peter 1:20-21

Amen, sister.

 

[zone]

Then, Martin Luther discovered Romans 5:1

"Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." Romans 5:1

This one single verse (yes, read it in context and you will find it still says the same thing!!) revolutionized a church that was collapsing from within, and robbing the people, charging for indulgences to get people out of hell, so they could build palaces for bishops, archbishops and popes.

The Roman Catholic Church fought back hard, but the truth cannot be hidden forever. The truth of salvation by faith, became known and many groups in Europe and the Americans began to worship the only true and living God, Jesus Christ.

 

[Abiding]

still havnt seen the movie. was hoping you would invite me over
and show it....with chocolate and popcorn, im ok if the popcorn isnt organic

 

[crossnote]

still havnt seen the movie. was hoping you would invite me over
and show it....with chocolate and popcorn, im ok if the popcorn isnt organic

It 'was' a great video. We lent it out and it has been set free ever since, never to come back.

 

[zone]

still havnt seen the movie. was hoping you would invite me over
and show it....with chocolate and popcorn, im ok if the popcorn isnt organic

here ya go dear.


[video=youtube;xc6Ci_V23oE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc6Ci_V23oE[/video]

Luther The Movie 1:58:27

Published on Mar 18, 2013
During the early 16th Century idealistic German monk Martin Luther, disgusted by the materialism in the church, begins the dialogue that will lead to the Protestant Reformation. 2003

 

[ChristReconcilesAll]

It took courage to do what he did. If you stand for the truth in the word of God, you will be persecuted, but God blesses you for it. That's why I read a concordant literal version to get the most accurate translation of the ancient languages that doesn't rely on interpretation.

 

[ChristReconcilesAll]

here ya go dear.


[video=youtube;xc6Ci_V23oE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc6Ci_V23oE[/video]

Luther The Movie 1:58:27

Published on Mar 18, 2013
During the early 16th Century idealistic German monk Martin Luther, disgusted by the materialism in the church, begins the dialogue that will lead to the Protestant Reformation. 2003

I know this wasn't addressed to me, but thanks, sister. I'll watch it now.

 

[mwc68]

I have read all the arguments here, some I have heard before against the Church. I am watching this movie Luther now to see what it has to say. So far I have not been convinced of Sola Scriptura. I am not a Zealot, but I love my Lord and the Church. As far as I can see the division will remain. I wish to keep coming here for fellowship and to share our commonality of Jesus Christ. I will remain in the Church. I am saddened by the treatment Catholics are receiving. I wish people would not think we are mislead. We all believe in the same Jesus Christ, and we all read the same Gospels. The Church has changed since VaticanII, has become a bit more modern, if you will. If it is not for you, I understand. But please understand it is for me and I am not blindly following something I don't understand.

 

[ChristReconcilesAll]

here ya go dear.


[video=youtube;xc6Ci_V23oE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc6Ci_V23oE[/video]

Luther The Movie 1:58:27

Published on Mar 18, 2013
During the early 16th Century idealistic German monk Martin Luther, disgusted by the materialism in the church, begins the dialogue that will lead to the Protestant Reformation. 2003

Well, rock and roll and Harleys have me half deaf I guess. I can't hear it well enough, but thanks anyway.

 

[crossnote]

I have read all the arguments here, some I have heard before against the Church. I am watching this movie Luther now to see what it has to say. So far I have not been convinced of Sola Scriptura. I am not a Zealot, but I love my Lord and the Church. As far as I can see the division will remain. I wish to keep coming here for fellowship and to share our commonality of Jesus Christ. I will remain in the Church. I am saddened by the treatment Catholics are receiving. I wish people would not think we are mislead. We all believe in the same Jesus Christ, and we all read the same Gospels. The Church has changed since VaticanII, has become a bit more modern, if you will. If it is not for you, I understand. But please understand it is for me and I am not blindly following something I don't understand.

That should tell you something...namely that man's word changes but God's Word remains the same.

 

[mwc68]

umm ok, whatever

 

[crossnote]

umm ok, whatever

No, that's important especially from a group that holds their word is on par with Scripture.

 

[ChristReconcilesAll]

I have read all the arguments here, some I have heard before against the Church. I am watching this movie Luther now to see what it has to say. So far I have not been convinced of Sola Scriptura. I am not a Zealot, but I love my Lord and the Church. As far as I can see the division will remain. I wish to keep coming here for fellowship and to share our commonality of Jesus Christ. I will remain in the Church. I am saddened by the treatment Catholics are receiving. I wish people would not think we are mislead. We all believe in the same Jesus Christ, and we all read the same Gospels. The Church has changed since VaticanII, has become a bit more modern, if you will. If it is not for you, I understand. But please understand it is for me and I am not blindly following something I don't understand.

So then the question coming from someone who used to be in the church is, why remain in the church if it does not conform to the word of God?

 

[homwardbound]

Thanks for the welcome, Abiding. This site is a blessing, and I don't let it get to me when somebody comes at me with some craziness. I get a chuckle when I get hit with some self-righteous indignation. It was really crazy on Google+. I was fighting off atheists with one hand and fellow believers with the other. I just try to come back with some scripture like Christ did in the wilderness with Satan. There's nothing like the sword of the spirit.

agreed and we are to be and use it, Matt. 10:16-20
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. [SUP]18 [/SUP]You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. [SUP]19 [/SUP]But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; [SUP]20 [/SUP]for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.

 

[ChristReconcilesAll]

Well, I hope this thread is winding down.

Basically, the way I see it is the disagreement, as stated in the title is that "The Bible is NOT enough on its own." No Sola Scriptura.

The Catholic Church, since 400 AD or so, when it started, has gradually added to the Bible, which included church dogma, adding the Apocrypha, and traditions that are not based on Scripture.

It could get away with this, because the Bible was kept from the people, and the people could not read.

So my debt of gratitude is to the Reformers, who took the Word of God and actually began to read it in the original languages and translate it for the people into the vernacular, while Rome obscured the gospel with Latin and rites and rituals. I do not think this was a conspiracy, or plotted, but simply an example of absolute power corrupting absolutely.

Then, Martin Luther discovered Romans 5:1

"Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." Romans 5:1

This one single verse (yes, read it in context and you will find it still says the same thing!!) revolutionized a church that was collapsing from within, and robbing the people, charging for indulgences to get people out of hell, so they could build palaces for bishops, archbishops and popes.

The Roman Catholic Church fought back hard, but the truth cannot be hidden forever. The truth of salvation by faith, became known and many groups in Europe and the Americans began to worship the only true and living God, Jesus Christ.

I pray that rather than raking over the coals various Catholic doctrines, we could just continue to quote the Bible. Ultimately, God did leave the Bible as our ONLY guide.

That is why I say to the OP (the post, not the banned OP person),

God has ordained his WORD to be the guide for all Christians. Any traditions of men, and churches which do not follow Sola Scriptura, is far from God.

"knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." 2 Peter 1:20-21

I've been thinking about this post. So I went back to find it, and my second reply shouldn't be so confusing as some of my others because I finally figured out that I needed to use the Reply With Quote link. I'm new here folks. I want to say that I agree with my sister, Angela, but I would go further and say that I believe it is a conspiracy that the church has distorted the evangel. And this is not to cut the Catholic Church any slack because they started the whole mess, but I would go even further and say any religious organization that propagates the deception that God's will is to torture forever in fire those who died as unbelievers is knowingly or unknowingly perpetuating that deception based on the intentional mistranslation of Gehenna as hell. And that includes unbelievers who never heard the evangel, those who can not comprehend the evangel, and even those who rejected the evangel because the word of God says unbelievers will stand before the great white throne and be condemned to the second death-the lake of fire. That means they will be dead not tortured alive in fire, and that death will not last forever, only until death is abolished. They will not have eonian (aionion) life in Christ, but though, in Adam, all are dying, in Christ, all shall be vivified. I don't know a church that teaches this, but it is in the word of God. That's why I no longer belong to a church. I don't like to use the phrase "sola scriptura" because I do not believe the adulterated Latin manuscripts, but I do believe scripture concordantly literally translated from Hebrew and Greek manuscripts is God breathed and is sufficient. If you're in church for fellowship, but the doctrine does not conform to the word of God, I say it would be better to fellowship with folks who believe the truth of the word of God. That is why I joined this site a few days ago to see if I could find such people. I study the word of God daily for the truth. I refuse to participate in fellowship with a distorted evangel. I'm not trying to offend folks by saying all this, but I believe the truth needs to be told. God bless you all.

 

[homwardbound]

You're right, sis. Transubstantiation is just corrupt church doctrine, and that's coming from a guy who was taught that stuff when I was a kid. I thought I was lucky because I only had to go to catechism on Saturdays, but now I realize how much public school messed up my mind too teaching me evolution.

error is everywhere in and of this world and just maybe that is why we are calloed out of this world
1 Corinthians 1:20Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1 Corinthians 2:8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1 Corinthians 2:12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1 Corinthians 3:18Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1 Corinthians 3:19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
Galatians 1:4Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
Galatians 6:14But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

 

[homwardbound]

You say you 'hate sin' so you should hate their lies. I never said nor do I hate catholics. Also I am of the masculine gender...or did I sound sooo sweet?

And I am therefore glad that in the sight of God there is no female, male Jew or gentile we are all one those that are in Christ and not all are of those who just say they are for the demons believe and fear, The problem is they never excercise their Faith in Christ, maybe it is time to become a responder to God's miraculous LOVE, if one has not yet, just a thought for all to see that read this.
Anyway I apologize for that Sir. Yes I LOVE the person(s) all as God does, I also hate religion for religion is none other than being creators initiators to get others and hopefully God to respond to them. This is without seeing it playing God
now as I see truth here we are the creation and God is the creator, the Father of Christ
Since we are the creation, not the creator what makes more sense to be a responder or a creator?
HMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we all from birth on in the flesh ahve been and are being taught to be creators, should this be so?
therefore I am responding to God's type of Love that he has given to us all that will come to belief in God through his Son, the way, the truth and the life via the cross and the life is not found in the death, it is found in the life te resurrected life of Christ no where else is this found, I have chosen to not take away the power of the cross by adding anytrhing else to it as many have and nullify God's power shown to us all via the cross of God's Son Jesus Christ the only righteous one