What about Adam ?

[svedbygrace]

For by the Law is the Knowledge of sin !


Rom 3:20

20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Through the Law, No Flesh [To include Adam ] shall be Justified in His Sight.

Its always been,Through the Law is or comes the Knowledge of sin. Paul says:

I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

For that was the purpose for the Law, and it was the purpose for the first head of mankind Adam.

Did not God create Adam in flesh and gave Him the Law ! Thou shalt not eat of the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil ! That was God's Law for Mankind right there. Believe it or not, this law was given to show him or teach him that, even though he was created upright, he was a sinner and could not in his flesh be justified before God ! It showed him that he was yet but weak flesh, that he was but vanity ps 39:5

verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah. This includes first of all Adam. The word man here is Adam in the original.

But now lets not get confused what I am stating here, for Adam was not yet a Transgressor until after He actually sinned [through eve] so thats when Transgression entered into the world. 1 Tim 2:14


14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Initially !

also Rom 5:14

14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

But thats why they sinned, why they transgressed,because in the flesh, they were already sinners, so thats what sinners do when confronted with the Law of God. Sinners sin, they Transgress.

This was God's purpose all along, in order that the seed of the women, and His blessed hope may be now revealed to the world. You see Christ death for sin had been determined before the world began, before Adam and Eve were created !! It was part of God's predetermined counsel Acts 2:23

23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

Rev 13:8

8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Lk 22:22

22And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined[before the world began]: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!

1 Pet 1:20

20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Eph 3:11

11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

When do you think this was determined ?

So Adam was formed out of the dust of the ground for this eternal purpose.

He was given the law [Thou shalt not eat of the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil] to show him he was a sinner, in need of the one who was going to execute the Eternal Purpose by going to the cross [the seed of the woman]You see it was all a foreordained purpose from Eternity..

 

[Ephraim]

Have you ever wondered that if Adam would not have sinned, and lived a perfect sin free life, if He would have inherited eternal life ?


If Adam [Mankind] had remained unfallen, without transgression, then He nor men in him could have entered that Kingdom of Eternal Glory to which all believers in Christ were destined before the foundation Matt 25:34

34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

2 Tim 4:18

And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

At best, the life we had in Adam was earthly 1 Cor 15:46-50

46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

So if Adam would have continued perfect in the flesh and blood he was created in, He could not inherit the kingdom of God, prepared for the sheep from the foundation, remember, at his best, Adam was still flesh and blood..

Hebrews 2 :14

14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood [In Adam], he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

And scripture says this 1 Cor 15:50

50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

So Man at His best unfallen state in flesh and blood, cannot inherit the kingdom of God..

As Jesus said, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God, even Adam, in His unfallen state needed to be born again if He was to inherit the Kingdom of Glory..

I don't believe Adam died and went to hell for eternity if that's what you mean. He suffered consequences aplenty on Earth.

It was part of God's plan for the fall to happen, else it wouldn't have happened at all. You can't be born again (renew your mind after seeing and experiencing sin), if you were never immersed in it.

 

[4enlightment]

The question I often ask is, why didn't Adam say I'm sorry, please forgive me. There is no evidence in the bible that they ever repented or gave sacrifice in faith of the redeemer promised. I guess that after walking with God in perfection their guilt held them back.

He didn't know how, that is why God had to teach them during the time of the Exodus. God had to teach them how to praise Him because they didn't know what is praise or worship. They had spoken and thought highly of people or beings and things, but they didn't know that they were praising or worshipping these beings or things. So God had to start them at elementary level so they'll be able to comprehend His teaching over time.

Hebrews 6:1Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God,

Hebrews 5:12In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you theelementary truths of God’s word all over again. You need milk, not solid food!

 

[svedbygrace]

eph

I don't believe Adam died and went to hell for eternity if that's what you mean

Where is that statement mentioned in what you quoted there ?

 

[Ephraim]

eph



Where is that statement mentioned in what you quoted there ?

'If that's what you mean' being the operative clause, 'if' being the operative word.

Considering what I quoted says 'do you think he would have inherited eternal life?', then it's safe to assume the OP thinks he doesn't or didn't.

 

[jerusalem]

further points to ponder...adam and eve were cast out of the garden and prevented from re-entry lest they should partake of the fruit of the tree of life also and become immortal while in a sinful state which is what happened to the fallen angels. they are not subject to death but are wicked and God did not want a repeat of that with humans. satan lied when he said you shall not surely die......also perfection is to be without sin. even satan is described as perfect before he sinned. adam's sin was willful disobedience. he knew what he was doing and he did it anyway.....eve was decieved but that is to say self deception. she knew better too but wanted to believe the lie because it was more attractive to her. adam put the woman before God. the woman put herself before everything

 

[svedbygrace]

eph

'If that's what you mean'

If I did not state that, I do not mean that !

 

[svedbygrace]

If that life which was given to adam and his posterity in him, had been incorruptible and eternal, it could not have became corrupt. For a good tree indeed cannot bring forth corrupt fruit Matt 7:18

18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

That the life which was given to adam when he became a living soul, was liable to corruption and death, is clearly implied in what God said Gen 2:17

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Note: He says not if you eat, as if it was possible or not, but says when or in the day that you eat, though shalt surely die. It was a day already appointed by the Divine Counsels that he would eat and die.

If adam had been made incorruptible, he could not have corrupted himself and his posterity in him by disobedience and brought in death and depravity into the world Rom 5:12,19

12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

19a For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners,

 

[BibleEd]

when Adam disobeyed God and was condemned to death, he paid a very high price. His sin cost him his perfect human life with all its blessings. (Genesis 3:17-19) Sadly, Adam lost this precious life not only for himself but also for his future offspring. God’s Word says: “Through one man [Adam] sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned.” (Romans 5:12) Yes, all of us have inherited sin from Adam. Hence, the Bible says that he “sold” himself and his offspring into slavery to sin and death. (Romans 7:14) There was no hope for Adam or Eve because they willfully chose to disobey God

If Adam had not sinned we would all right now be enjoying a perfect life free of any sort of pain. That's what Gods purpose was and still is for us. Adams sin cost a lot but with Jesus sacrifice he paid that ransom. How could one man serve as a ransom for many, in fact, millions of humans? Well, how did humans numbering into the millions come to be sinners in the first place? Recall that by sinning, Adam lost the precious possession of perfect human life. Hence, he could not pass it on to his offspring. Instead, he could pass on only sin and death. Jesus, whom the Bible calls “the last Adam,” had a perfect human life, and he never sinned. (1 Corinthians 15:45) In a sense, Jesus stepped into Adam’s place in order to save us. By sacrificing, or giving up, his perfect life in flawless obedience to God, Jesus paid the price for Adam’s sin. Jesus thus brought hope to Adam’s offspring.—Romans 5:19; 1 Corinthians 15:21, 22.

hope this helped!

 

[svedbygrace]

be

when Adam disobeyed God and was condemned to death, he paid a very high price

Did you understand my points in post 108 ?

 

[Canny]

There is a lot to read here for a newbie, and I must confess, I have skipped over what I see as argument. I do not believe this to be a factual story, I think it is God's way of explaining us, as we were, are and always will be... human, never satisfied, always curious

I rather like what I read about clothing them in animal skins as redemption, it is almost the whole Bible in one sitting.

 

[BibleEd]

Yes I only saw them now, That scripture was a warning not a pre determined thing. It is like telling a child the day you touch that cookie is the day I will give you a smack. The child has free will to choose if he would like to disobey his parents and suffer the consequences and eat it or obey and later on be rewarded. so It was possible for Adam to sin because God created him with free will. That gift is not at all in conflict with the fact that Adam was perfect. In truth, only God is perfect in the absolute sense. (Deuteronomy 32:3, 4; Psalm 18:30; Mark 10:18) Perfection in anyone or anything else is limited. For example, a knife might be perfect for cutting meat, but would you use it for eating soup? A thing is perfect only in relation to its purpose.For what purpose, then, did God create Adam? It was God’s objective to produce through Adam a race of intelligent people with free will. Those who wanted to cultivate their love for God and his ways would show this by choosing to obey his laws. Obedience was therefore not programmed into man’s thinking faculties but would spring voluntarily from the heart. (Deuteronomy 10:12, 13; 30:19, 20) Thus, if Adam had lacked the ability to choose disobedience, he would have been incomplete—imperfect. As to how Adam chose to use his free will, the Bible record shows that he followed his wife in disobedience to God’s law concerning “the tree of the knowledge of good and bad.”—Genesis 2:17; 3:1-6.

Well, then, did God create Adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation? Prior to Adam’s disobedience, Jehovah God had examined all of his earthly creation, including the first human pair, and had determined that it was “very good.” (Genesis 1:31) Thus, when Adam sinned, his Creator did not need to correct some design flaw but rightly placed the blame squarely on Adam. (Genesis 3:17-19) Adam had failed to let love for God and right principle motivate him to be obedient to God above all.

Consider, too, that Jesus when on earth was a perfect man like Adam. Yet, Jesus, unlike other descendants of Adam, was conceived as a result of holy spirit and thus inherited no vulnerability to temptation. (Luke 1:30, 31; 2:21; 3:23, 38) Jesus of his own volition remained loyal to his Father despite the strongest pressures. Adam, in exercising his own free will, was personally responsible for his failure to obey Gods command.

Why, though, did Adam choose to disobey God? Did he believe that he would improve his situation in some way? No, for the apostle Paul wrote that “Adam was not deceived.” (1 Timothy 2:14) However, Adam decided to accede to the wishes of his wife, who had already chosen to eat from the forbidden tree. His desire to please her was greater than his desire to obey his Creator. Surely, upon being presented with the forbidden fruit, Adam should have paused to reflect on the effect that disobedience would have on his relationship with God. Without a deep, unbreakable love of God, Adam was vulnerable to pressure, including that from his wife.

Adam sinned before fathering children, so all his descendants have been born imperfect. Yet, like Adam, we have the gift of free will. So to your point as if it was a pre deterimend thing that Adam was to sin it was not. However Adam based on his own free will chose to do it. Hope this helped =)

 

[svedbygrace]

How was Adam created in the image of God ?


How was Adam created in the image and likeness of God his Creator ?

First of all, some have mistaken that what is meant by this is that adam was made in His image per regard to God's perfections as Deity. But although man in his creation was innocent and upright[until he transgressed] his innocence and uprightness cannot be compared with the immutable Holiness of God. For finite man was capable of sin, as we well should know. Also God's wisdom, power, truth, justice and omniscience and independence [freewill] were peculiar to Himself, and cannot ever be found in any of His creatures.

Now what is an image ? Its something visible and can be seen. The Supreme and eternal Godhead is invisible to finite beings, as He is called the invisible God Col 1:15; 1 Tim 1:17, For no man has seen God face to face at anytime.

Now the Lord Jesus Christ in His Mediatorial Glory was the Image of God Col 1:15

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Heb 1:3

3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Phil 2:6

6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Now if we see that Christ as scripture states is the Image of the invisible God, how was man in adam the created in the image and likeness of his Creator ?166

 

[svedbygrace]

be

Yes I only saw them now, That scripture was a warning not a pre determined thing

Lets go over the points of post 108 !

 

[RaphaEl2nd]

Adam was sinless and did not know death. When he knew good and evil he was changed so he could die. That is what is meant by saying that we are born in sin, we know sin and sin means death. Christ saves us from our sin and in that way we are not under death (sin) but have life through Christ.

If I may ask what verse are you speaking of here ?

 

[svedbygrace]

How was Adam created in the image of God ? Cont


Lets look at Rom 5:14 Where the inspired writer and Apostle gives us wisdom. Paul states that Adam is the figure of Him to come.

14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

The word figure here is the greek word typos:

the mark of a stroke or blow, print

2) a figure formed by a blow or impression

a) of a figure or image

And alongside that, Christ is the one who was coming, and it has been shown that Christ is the Lord God who created adam and all things in heaven and earth Jn 1:3

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Note: This Truth really confirms the Deity of Christ as God, since Adam is said to be created in God's image, and that image is Christ, Him that was to come, what can be more plainer ?

Those denying Jesus is God, may God if He so wills, grant you repentance.

One more evidence of Christ being God related to image see Col 3:10; Eph 4:24; cp Rom 8:29.

Now in Adam being constituted as the figure, there must have been a body or substance, if he was a type there existed an anti type, a image, then there was an original Col 1:17-18

Now how was Adam a type of the original upon His creation ?167

 

[EasterLuv]

Have you ever wondered that if Adam would not have sinned, and lived a perfect sin free life, if He would have inherited eternal life ?


If Adam [Mankind] had remained unfallen, without transgression, then He nor men in him could have entered that Kingdom of Eternal Glory to which all believers in Christ were destined before the foundation Matt 25:34

34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

2 Tim 4:18

And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

At best, the life we had in Adam was earthly 1 Cor 15:46-50

46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

So if Adam would have continued perfect in the flesh and blood he was created in, He could not inherit the kingdom of God, prepared for the sheep from the foundation, remember, at his best, Adam was still flesh and blood..

Hebrews 2 :14

14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood [In Adam], he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

And scripture says this 1 Cor 15:50

50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

So Man at His best unfallen state in flesh and blood, cannot inherit the kingdom of God..

As Jesus said, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God, even Adam, in His unfallen state needed to be born again if He was to inherit the Kingdom of Glory..

Just happened upon this thread. You know? This is super interesting! I've always assumed Adam and Eve had eternal life until they fell. But this reasoning presented alongside these verses presents pretty compelling evidence that this isn 't the case. Definitely food for thought! Hmmmmm.

 

[EasterLuv]

I did not think so. and your welcome !

What in the world is this exchange about?

 

[EasterLuv]

'If that's what you mean' being the operative clause, 'if' being the operative word.

Considering what I quoted says 'do you think he would have inherited eternal life?', then it's safe to assume the OP thinks he doesn't or didn't.

Well not everyone thinks you get eternal conscious torment in hell if you don't receive eternal life.

Genesis 3:19 "By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."

 

[svedbygrace]

How Adam was made in God's Image


In Adam being constituted as the figure there must have been a body, as to say Type then Anti Type, the Image, then the Original, Christ as the Head of the Church is the Original that Adam was made After. Co1 1:17-18


17And he [As the Head of the Church] is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Now how was Adam a Type of the original upon his creation ? First, in his formation he stands as a unit, embodying a multitude which no man can number, thus serving as an emblem of the Mediator Man which is One, in whom God has secured a Chosen People, a seed, a chosen generation, a number that no man can number before the foundation of the world.