Is baptism Essential for salvation?

[homwardbound]

James is not teaching that works have anything to do with obtaining or keeping salvation. He is describing those who give only lip service to the gospel. Living faith as opposed to dead faith produces works or if you prefer fruit of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. Action for the sake of action is futile. Everything rests on Christ as the only foundation of our faith.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Thanks Roger hopfully we all get the deepness of waht you just posted
Romans 3:28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 4:5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

 

[Cobus]

Ah, show me ONE person that went through water in baptism, and obeyed the Lord. Just one! they CANNOT, because God does not bless water-baptism. He jas one of HIS OWN... and that one is the ONE BAPTISM in Eph 4.

Every person that went through the Holy Spirit baptism is as perfect AS GOD IS PERFECT... That is why God said... To whom recieved HIM, they are given the POWER to be the sons of God! Every person that recieves the Holy Spirit baptism, is remade in the image (100%) in the image of the Son. Holy, Perfect, and 100% alike Jesus. I know of no water-baptism that achieves this...

Sin is not even washed off by the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, it was died off in abedience WAY before the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Every Truth God puts in you, makes one more Sin DEAD! Every step AFTER JESUS, makes one more sin dead... And those that ENDURE to the end shall be saved... (The Holy Spirit Baptism is the SALVATION COMPLETED.

Water baptism was not done by Jesus, only by men... Holy or not, men baptized. And all water baptized people, STILL NEED TO BE BAPTIZED BY HOLY SPIRIT, or they will end up with ALL WHO WAS NOT BAPTIZED WITH HOLY SPIRIT.... Water or not!

Aperson that was baptized in water, is just in need of the Holy Spirit baptism as ANY OTHER PERSON. Only ONE Baptism saves, and that baptism does NOT REQUIRE water, or water baptism. I can proof it with the Bible.

 

[jinx]

I think what is being left out on this is the fact that obedience is the evidence of a changed heart and mind. If one doesn't obey how can one say they believe? James is VERY clear on this Faith without works is DEAD. But it is NOT the works themselves that save,it is the faith in Jesus Christ,that begets those works that saves. IT IS FAITH IN ACTION. Faith without action is useless.

yes thank you sarah. I was never really good at explaining all this, always forget something

 

[SarahM777]

yes thank you sarah. I was never really good at explaining all this, always forget something

Your welcome,

But I don't always explain things as I could either.

 

[jinx]

If you are OSAS, whats the point of reading your bible? your already saved, no need for further instruction.
Whats the point of praying? your already saved no need for GOD's divine intervention on anything.
OSAS has no need to gather with others of the same great like faith cause they wont need the support of other Christians.

and then you have this common story that people tell..... so and so was saved 50 some years ago and was doing awesome till about 2 years ago. NOW they are drinking, cussing, and living with druggies so I guess he really didn't get saved all those years ago. I hear this alot from OSAS people too.

I know alot about OSAS..... I used to be one. my folks still are.

 

[notuptome]

If you are OSAS, whats the point of reading your bible? your already saved, no need for further instruction.
Whats the point of praying? your already saved no need for GOD's divine intervention on anything.
OSAS has no need to gather with others of the same great like faith cause they wont need the support of other Christians.

and then you have this common story that people tell..... so and so was saved 50 some years ago and was doing awesome till about 2 years ago. NOW they are drinking, cussing, and living with druggies so I guess he really didn't get saved all those years ago. I hear this alot from OSAS people too.

I know alot about OSAS..... I used to be one. my folks still are.

Simply a straw man argument. Paul's argument in Gal 2:20-21 soundly refutes your assertion. As believers we do what we do not to remain saved but because we are saved. New creature in Christ walking in newness of life. Does not enter into my thinking that I should shame my Lord by serving the devil.
As Paul enquired of the Galatians who hath bewitched you that you are foolish enough to go after another gospel? 3:1-3

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[homwardbound]

If you are OSAS, whats the point of reading your bible? your already saved, no need for further instruction.
Whats the point of praying? your already saved no need for GOD's divine intervention on anything.
OSAS has no need to gather with others of the same great like faith cause they wont need the support of other Christians.

and then you have this common story that people tell..... so and so was saved 50 some years ago and was doing awesome till about 2 years ago. NOW they are drinking, cussing, and living with druggies so I guess he really didn't get saved all those years ago. I hear this alot from OSAS people too.

I know alot about OSAS..... I used to be one. my folks still are.

I see that you are where you are suppose to be for now all working towards God's miraculous way, please sister do not stop searching out all the truth as you claim us OSAS ones are doing. this is only by your experiences of thoser that have taken adavantage of this meraculous grace from God as the Corinthians at first did and Paul sent them the 1 letter to straighten out this error that you speak of. There are many of these type here in this world today. but there are those of us that know we shall never escape if we take
Hebrews 2:3How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
I tell oyu Sister true ones that are osas, are believers as you are at in your walk now, that have given up to God that have found out that htey cannot be perfect in and of themselves ever. And when these true born again beleivers did this to God not for the purpose of walking away from God recieved the engrafted word from God by the resurrection of his only begotten Son and now today walk day by day in trusting God to do in them waht they never could complete in themselves and God does do exactly as God said he would if only we will give up all to him. And God only
thank you you are on your way to see this truth that it is all God and none of mankind at all. God gets all the glory forever and always, notihng I or anyone else can do to change this except man has really tried to and done a pretty good job of masquerading as if he is goos when only good is. And I do not have to go sinning to prrove this as what is being taught by almost all denominations.
Love you deeply trusting God not the God of this world to show you truth and I know God will been there were you are at and God changed me to see and God has put me to rest in all my efforts to please him and others. instead I am overwhelmed and now pleased by what God did for me, you and all via the cross where life in God is only found after the death it is in the resurrection
Thank you if you read this or if you did not, you are in God's hands not this worlds

 

[livingepistle]

Scriptural.

In HIS service,
Jinx

Still fighting the fight...good for you.

 

[livingepistle]

Maybe I have meat that you do not know of yet as Christ said to his disciples as they tried to get him to eat food?

LOL, I like that one...

Hopefully it is the same Bread that I eat and manna, that Bread of Life---JESUS. If your meat is from a table other than the Lord's table, I would question that. All other true Christians won't eat strange meat.

 

[livingepistle]

Yes long enough to see it is God's works not mine that god does through me otherwise I would have reason to boast as Paul so well explained in Phil 3, yet anyway it is all God and none of me that is the maturity of God, the perfection of God getting allthe glory. I am and all that are full grown unuderstand that we are nothing more than a vessel to be used by god whenever God sees fit to do so
Just like a water glass is available for you to use whenever you decide to use it.
God just love us all this much, when you see this you might become a responder to God in place of being an initiator to God and others.
We are the creation God is the creator
Therefore we are the responders and God is the initiator unto us by responding unto good works by God and for God
praying you see this

"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."; Proverbs 14:12.

 

[livingepistle]

By belief
1 Corinthians 1:21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
1 Corinthians 3:5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
Galatians 2:16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 3:6Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Galatians 3:22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

There are many a scripture tha point to Faith, Belief in god and what God has done not man.
But man is just so desiring to do what man wants to do and make a muck out of things taking away the power of God.
Most of the people today are taught a half-sham Gospel Christ died for you, now go out and work!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ludicrous the full Gospel is the including of the resurrection
Just read 1 Cor 15. Very clear we are to die to self so we can be alive today here and now by the resurrection back at the cross. And all this is by beleif in God that he has done it all for anyone that beleives
Romans 3:22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Romans 3:26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Romans 4:3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Romans 4:5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

That is allot of good scripture but it does not explain what salvation is to you.

 

[livingepistle]

What have you said differant dry ground they past over and were safe, never got wet, I said this and posted it and it says what I ahve said, do not uderstand where I posted anything differant

...notice, what Paul said. ..."passed through the sea"... so just think about it, it is only a brain teaser.

 

[jinx]

glad I'm not OSAS anymore.

 

[tribesman]

Its either the work of Christ alone who saves us or it is our work. It cannot be both.

 

[notconformed2theworld]

Judas was once saved but did he make it to heaven?

 

[HoldingOn2013]

Judas was once saved but did he make it to heaven?

How was he saved? Because he said he believed? Anyone can play the part, but it's the heart that counts.

Plus... demons/devils believe in God and know who Jesus is. They are not in heaven. It's more than just saying or knowing. It's believing, having faith in God. Not by works, don't get me wrong! But by faith and having a heart for God.

 

[vic1980]

Judas was once saved but did he make it to heaven?

Acts 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

 

[tribesman]

Scripture says Judas was a devil. So saved he was not.

 

[notuptome]

glad I'm not OSAS anymore.

So now you're NSAL? Never saved always lost. I hope not. If you are saved it is forever period. If you can lose it you never had it. Nothing can take us out of the Lords hand.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[jinx]

nothing can but ourselves. we can walk away from GOD