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I know you have not read this thread. If you had you would have read post 68 and already know the answer to your question.
What is more disturbing? A person who is sinning, whether or not they are saved or a person who is being hypocritical while they claim to worship God? I tell you, examine Matthew chapter 23
[SUP]4 [/SUP]They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
This is what God has taught me to practice: Do not merely listen to the word and so deceive yourselves, do what it says.
It is only the sick who need a doctor. I know I am sick and I need God. A good saying is this, Jesus came to save sinners of whom I am the worst. I consider myself the worst of sinners. If anyone has an ear let him hear what the spirit says to the seven churches. I have ears. I listened. Do you not know that your are pitiful wretched poor blind and naked? I know I am pitiful wretched poor blind and naked. I need Jesus to clothe me. I need Jesus to help me see. I need Jesus to ease my spiritual poverty. God has done all this for me and more. God has taught me humility and continually empowers me to practice it. God has taught me love by loving me and continually empowers me to practice it.
I am not condemning anyone here for practicing sin. I consider some are practicing sin. I forgive you even before you know you are doing wrong, even before you have repented. Isn't this what God did for me? God offered me forgiveness and salvation and provided for me everything I needed even before I was born. Now that I have accepted all of these gifts from God he continually gives me more and more. Empowering me to do HIs will because apart from God I am pure evil. I consider that none of you have sinned against me so I have nothing against any of you. Therefore I have no reason to go to any of you and say you have sinned against me.
Go and learn what this means, "I desire mercy, not sacrifice." Has not God poured out HIs mercy on me? Am I not saved by grace? I am. None of you are saved by any other means. It is God who saved us because we could do nothing for ourselves.
Now that I have received this mercy and grace and abundance of blessing from God shouldn't I go out and offer it to each person I meet every day in every way I possibly can? I should. IN fact From the parables I know that If I, after receiving so much mercy from God and forgiveness for all of my sins; look at any other person and do not offer them this very same mercy and grace then I have become a hypocrite and will fall under a curse and be cut off.
Love does not consider blame. Do you not recognize from the beginning just after the very first sin, the next obvious sins were blame?
From Genesis 3[SUP]11 [/SUP]And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
[SUP]12 [/SUP]The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
Adam blamed Eve and HE blamed God! Eve blamed the servant! We see clearly how long blame has been with us yet many continue to practice this.
"How do you feel about the assault on the moral fabric of out nation that is fueled by the homosexual comminity?"
Here I see the same evil that has been present from the beginning. Blaming "homosexuals" for fueling an assault against the moral fabric of our nation. I consider it far more wicked for a person who has received grace and mercy to be ungracious and unmerciful than I consider it wicked for the lost or misled or poor in spirit to sin.
I understand the parable of the unmerciful servant which teaches me that if I after receiving God's mercy which covers all my sin go out and hold any other person accountable for the smallest of sin, then I am very much in danger of being cast out under the burden of a debt that I can not pay. I know from God's word that any person who breaks the least of God's commands and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of God(but still be able to be in the kingdom of God) yet the unmerciful will be cast out.
I refuse to be like Cain who did not take responsibility for his own brother. Jesus taught me that all of you are my brothers and sisters and children and fathers and mothers. I take responsibility for all of you, just as God commands. I pray that God hold your sins against me rather than against you. I deserve to be cut off from God yet God has covered my sins. I would rather be wronged than let anything hinder the Gospel of the kingdom of God.
May God's grace and peace always be with each of you.
If a person is sick, you don't keep them away from the Doctor. If they keep hearing the word ( and which the word is God) eventually they will have turn from their ways ( faith comes by hearing the word, and by our faith we are heal), but the ones that heard the word but didn't even tried to put them into practice, never had believed in God. If God see you trying He will intervene. So Christians need to build up their faith and others and when they has faith of a mustard seed, we will all see the change.
Matthew 9:22Jesus turned and saw her. “Take heart, daughter,” he said, “your faith has healed you.” And the woman was healed at that moment.
Matthew 8:10When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith.
Matthew 9:2Some men brought to him a paralyzed man, lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the man, “Take heart, son; your sins are forgiven.”
Matthew 9:22Jesus turned and saw her. “Take heart, daughter,” he said, “your faith has healed you.” And the woman was healed at that moment.
Matthew 8:10When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith.
Matthew 9:2Some men brought to him a paralyzed man, lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the man, “Take heart, son; your sins are forgiven.”
That we all need a physician is true.
I was answering a post that basically reprimanded some for saying what the Bible clearly states.
There is a gorge between truth and tolerance.
Love is the only thing that crosses it.
That form of love is Agape, and not philos(appeasement in the name of brotherly acceptance).
You can accept a soul right into hell.
I was answering a post that basically reprimanded some for saying what the Bible clearly states.
There is a gorge between truth and tolerance.
Love is the only thing that crosses it.
That form of love is Agape, and not philos(appeasement in the name of brotherly acceptance).
You can accept a soul right into hell.
no, it's a legitimate question when the direction of the convo is moral relativity.
not to mention bestiality is on the docket for legalization, and protection as special minorities for the animal-sex-perverts.
don't believe it?
study the Frankfurt School.
it's on their list of demoralizing methods....of the "West".
they're beta-testing it now to see what we will accept.
since our society is already so debased, apparently there's nothing some won't tolerate.
not to mention bestiality is on the docket for legalization, and protection as special minorities for the animal-sex-perverts.
don't believe it?
study the Frankfurt School.
it's on their list of demoralizing methods....of the "West".
they're beta-testing it now to see what we will accept.
since our society is already so debased, apparently there's nothing some won't tolerate.
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Standing up for the truth as inspired by God is not weakness.
We all are flesh, we all struggle with it.
Jesus didn't come so we will one day be perfect and then able to preach.
The truth testifies for itself.
It testifies through us. (if we will let it)
And in doing so, we are confirmed by the faith we have in it.
- As Paul said......from faith to faith, ....it is an ongoing process that doesn't stop or make way for a tolerant 'big' tent.
Listen. If God the Father were tolerant of sin Jesus wouldn't have had to die....after living a perfect life no less.
No. Sin is sin.
Warmed over, sin friendly gospels such as the seeker friendly movement would like to keep it in the family.
The question is what family are they trying to keep it in? Certainly not God's. Certainly not the Holy of Holies.
The message is - "All are accepted, all are redeemed."
No they are not.
Jesus' life is worth more than that!
We sin, we have specks, ...some of us have beams, ....but we don't excuse it nor do we condone it.
Not the bride of Christ.
It's called being redeemed.
We all are flesh, we all struggle with it.
Jesus didn't come so we will one day be perfect and then able to preach.
The truth testifies for itself.
It testifies through us. (if we will let it)
And in doing so, we are confirmed by the faith we have in it.
- As Paul said......from faith to faith, ....it is an ongoing process that doesn't stop or make way for a tolerant 'big' tent.
Listen. If God the Father were tolerant of sin Jesus wouldn't have had to die....after living a perfect life no less.
No. Sin is sin.
Warmed over, sin friendly gospels such as the seeker friendly movement would like to keep it in the family.
The question is what family are they trying to keep it in? Certainly not God's. Certainly not the Holy of Holies.
The message is - "All are accepted, all are redeemed."
No they are not.
Jesus' life is worth more than that!
We sin, we have specks, ...some of us have beams, ....but we don't excuse it nor do we condone it.
Not the bride of Christ.
It's called being redeemed.
Paul was able to cast out demons from people, because his faith was great; but our faith is weak. So since we are not able to cast out demons that possessed these individuals, but instead we just judges them because we lack faith.
Acts 16:18She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so annoyed that he turned around and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” At that moment the spirit left her.
Acts 16:18She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so annoyed that he turned around and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” At that moment the spirit left her.
The greatest failing is people who won't do anything for God because they are afraid of being judged as hypocrites for the slightest perceived infraction.
As you have said: "we are born in sin, and there is none righteous, no not one; all have fallen short of the glory(holiness) of God"
But the reason we speak the truth is because the life of the savior changes us.
If you are afraid of someone saying you're evil, they said it about Jesus.
He wasn't.
His life lives in those who He changes.
He tends to change the soul who makes Him Lord.
Will they fall? Yes.
Will they be falsely accused? Yes.
Does that mean they should stop preaching until they are perfect? No.
Get used to being falsely accused brother, they did it to the one without sin.
As you have said: "we are born in sin, and there is none righteous, no not one; all have fallen short of the glory(holiness) of God"
But the reason we speak the truth is because the life of the savior changes us.
If you are afraid of someone saying you're evil, they said it about Jesus.
He wasn't.
His life lives in those who He changes.
He tends to change the soul who makes Him Lord.
Will they fall? Yes.
Will they be falsely accused? Yes.
Does that mean they should stop preaching until they are perfect? No.
Get used to being falsely accused brother, they did it to the one without sin.
Look into it.
How often did Jesus address eternal separation?
More times than He spoke of heaven.
We show grace by telling people the truth in love.
God did forgive us. He IS forgiving us, that's the whole point.
What Jesus did was save us.....from what?
Should not the truth of eternal separation be preached?
In love?
Hell is real.
How often did Jesus address eternal separation?
More times than He spoke of heaven.
We show grace by telling people the truth in love.
God did forgive us. He IS forgiving us, that's the whole point.
What Jesus did was save us.....from what?
Should not the truth of eternal separation be preached?
In love?
Hell is real.
sin is sin no matterhow big or small and Christ came to take them away
John 1:29[ The Lamb of God ] The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
Romans 11:27For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”
Hebrews 10:4For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
Hebrews 10:11[ Christ’s Death Perfects the Sanctified ] And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins
1 John 3:5And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.
Once one sees this then one sees the completed Gospel of Christ and is too busy thanking ChristandFather Father for this amazing gift given to us by Faith, being counted righteous as Abraham was and is. Christ completed it all at the cross for us all
Romans 4:24 Righteousness God's imputed to us
but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead,
John 1:29[ The Lamb of God ] The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
Romans 11:27For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”
Hebrews 10:4For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
Hebrews 10:11[ Christ’s Death Perfects the Sanctified ] And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins
1 John 3:5And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.
Once one sees this then one sees the completed Gospel of Christ and is too busy thanking ChristandFather Father for this amazing gift given to us by Faith, being counted righteous as Abraham was and is. Christ completed it all at the cross for us all
Romans 4:24 Righteousness God's imputed to us
but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead,
Hebrews 7:25Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
Romans 8:34Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
God plain and simply just loves us all, and is waiting for us to respond to this. How shall I respond I know thanksgiving and praise because Christ paved the way
Psalm 100:4Enter into His gates with thanksgiving, And into His courts with praise. Be thankful to Him, and bless His name.
I had nothing to do with this, and noone else did either except Christ Jesus the only righteous one that is the propitiation for all sin.
Romans 8:34Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
God plain and simply just loves us all, and is waiting for us to respond to this. How shall I respond I know thanksgiving and praise because Christ paved the way
Psalm 100:4Enter into His gates with thanksgiving, And into His courts with praise. Be thankful to Him, and bless His name.
I had nothing to do with this, and noone else did either except Christ Jesus the only righteous one that is the propitiation for all sin.
i think this is a complicated question,,,but again it is a very simple question. here is how i answered it back in the days when i was ask by my congregation...
any sin is a sin,makes no difference which one we are addressing,but according to who's religion? now let's address it from several different religions. first off from the point of Christianity(because it applies to us),,,Christ said many things about obeying a persons master,john 8;44 "you will obey your fathers desire",,different application i know,but look close at what he states. "your fathers desire",,,,
notice there is a separation between different fathers,or else masters. that is if,and again the opposite religion one follows the devil then according to Christ his desire(the devil) is that they lie,cheat steal,murder,commit fornication,adultery ect.
now you see according to the devil if he is someones master anyone who is doing any of these works is completely obeying their master. and as Paul points out(Romans 14;4) you "cannot judge another mans slave",,,that is if the devil commands his servant to commit any of these acts they are obeying their master.,,,so if they curse,they obey the will of their father,this is his commandment to them. any of these abominations are the one and only "law of their father"
now as for Christ,he states many times and also the apostles about a master and a servant,Romans 6;16,,,,,Matthew 23;11,,,Matthew 20;27,,,acts 17;11,,, col.3;22-4;1,,,,we could go on and on about who is ones master and what he said that they should obey,,,they did not obey god in the garden,and obeyed another,,,they did not obey afterward and were taken into captivity in many nations(Israel),,,,
in one religion it is proper to blow themselves up,to kill,to divorce, it just really depends on the exact mast being referred to. another may say "worship cows",,,another,"eat this",,,,but in Christianity we only are given the will of the father,that is the son said "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven",,and again "the will of the father who hath sent me",,,
now i will admit before you all,,,on my knees i have cried for doing the things i was ask not to do according to the very thing i am telling you. i have not most miserably(both when young and old),,,been such the faithful servant that i am describing to you,the flawless one i am not except in Christ. i have not committed murder,yet when i was young i preached a few sermons that may have sent many to the grave,dashing them to pieces with the tongue of the others desire. my desire was never to other men,,and i am old now and have never cheated on my wife,some would say "great job iamsoandso",,,,but,,,i have a box of secrets i held under the cross,,,and between the tears and the blood it seems too slippery for any of you to open,,,,
what soever your sin be come,,,,i can only point out there are two masters "who ever you obey he is your master",,,i cannot,for i do not posses the ability to modify my masters will/desire,i can only point it out,i cannot change it. if we don't understand why,,,do it anyway. i have not much to loose in telling you this you see,in the flesh i am dead,,,i was delivered from Egypt,and worshiped a bull,i wandered from birth till death in the desert. the water came up from the ground and i drank. i ate food given from god,the manna of angels,sometimes i gathered too much,at times to little.
there on mount Zion,just before we cross,the deliverer was raised by the hand of the father. all of mankind will wander in the desert for sin,,,and few will be rapture'd into the promised land. "you are in the dessert",i am also and about to cross over,so what can i gain telling you?,,,,there is no scripture you can quote me about any of mankind who worshiped the serpent bowing down on his knees and begging forgiveness for "stumbling and following Christ".,,,yet every scripture in Christianity is about being forgiven for obeying the serpent,,,and the deliverance from it at the cross.
one seeks to have you obtain flesh to be burned,requiring you to obey him as master,,,,,and Christ to have you cast it off. now adultery,lust for the flesh,gather it into the barn,so it may be burned. homosexuality,lust of the flesh,gather it into the barn,so it may be burned.,,,Coventry,lust for the things as to the flesh,gather then to the barn that they may be burned.,,,your spirit says to your eye "look",,,and to your hand "get it",,,,and it is gathering and pile and stacking it to an tee-pee to be burned.
here you are this is you,,,,,,,,you are a spirit,,,,,,,,
any sin is a sin,makes no difference which one we are addressing,but according to who's religion? now let's address it from several different religions. first off from the point of Christianity(because it applies to us),,,Christ said many things about obeying a persons master,john 8;44 "you will obey your fathers desire",,different application i know,but look close at what he states. "your fathers desire",,,,
notice there is a separation between different fathers,or else masters. that is if,and again the opposite religion one follows the devil then according to Christ his desire(the devil) is that they lie,cheat steal,murder,commit fornication,adultery ect.
now you see according to the devil if he is someones master anyone who is doing any of these works is completely obeying their master. and as Paul points out(Romans 14;4) you "cannot judge another mans slave",,,that is if the devil commands his servant to commit any of these acts they are obeying their master.,,,so if they curse,they obey the will of their father,this is his commandment to them. any of these abominations are the one and only "law of their father"
now as for Christ,he states many times and also the apostles about a master and a servant,Romans 6;16,,,,,Matthew 23;11,,,Matthew 20;27,,,acts 17;11,,, col.3;22-4;1,,,,we could go on and on about who is ones master and what he said that they should obey,,,they did not obey god in the garden,and obeyed another,,,they did not obey afterward and were taken into captivity in many nations(Israel),,,,
in one religion it is proper to blow themselves up,to kill,to divorce, it just really depends on the exact mast being referred to. another may say "worship cows",,,another,"eat this",,,,but in Christianity we only are given the will of the father,that is the son said "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven",,and again "the will of the father who hath sent me",,,
now i will admit before you all,,,on my knees i have cried for doing the things i was ask not to do according to the very thing i am telling you. i have not most miserably(both when young and old),,,been such the faithful servant that i am describing to you,the flawless one i am not except in Christ. i have not committed murder,yet when i was young i preached a few sermons that may have sent many to the grave,dashing them to pieces with the tongue of the others desire. my desire was never to other men,,and i am old now and have never cheated on my wife,some would say "great job iamsoandso",,,,but,,,i have a box of secrets i held under the cross,,,and between the tears and the blood it seems too slippery for any of you to open,,,,
what soever your sin be come,,,,i can only point out there are two masters "who ever you obey he is your master",,,i cannot,for i do not posses the ability to modify my masters will/desire,i can only point it out,i cannot change it. if we don't understand why,,,do it anyway. i have not much to loose in telling you this you see,in the flesh i am dead,,,i was delivered from Egypt,and worshiped a bull,i wandered from birth till death in the desert. the water came up from the ground and i drank. i ate food given from god,the manna of angels,sometimes i gathered too much,at times to little.
there on mount Zion,just before we cross,the deliverer was raised by the hand of the father. all of mankind will wander in the desert for sin,,,and few will be rapture'd into the promised land. "you are in the dessert",i am also and about to cross over,so what can i gain telling you?,,,,there is no scripture you can quote me about any of mankind who worshiped the serpent bowing down on his knees and begging forgiveness for "stumbling and following Christ".,,,yet every scripture in Christianity is about being forgiven for obeying the serpent,,,and the deliverance from it at the cross.
one seeks to have you obtain flesh to be burned,requiring you to obey him as master,,,,,and Christ to have you cast it off. now adultery,lust for the flesh,gather it into the barn,so it may be burned. homosexuality,lust of the flesh,gather it into the barn,so it may be burned.,,,Coventry,lust for the things as to the flesh,gather then to the barn that they may be burned.,,,your spirit says to your eye "look",,,and to your hand "get it",,,,and it is gathering and pile and stacking it to an tee-pee to be burned.
here you are this is you,,,,,,,,you are a spirit,,,,,,,,