Keep The Commandments

eternally-gratefull · Jun 17, 2013

Nice way to distort gods word. You want to destroy what God said himself. Why don't you look at what Paul said, he makes it quite clear. and unless you think paul contradicted Christ. You should believe and take to heart what he said.

Rom 8:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you . Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.(If you are saved at all) [SUP]

10 [/SUP]And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. (If Christ is in you, Your spirit is alive (born again) because of him, and what he did, if not, you are not saved)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. (Again, IF YOU ARE SAVED, The spirit of God will give life to your mortal bodies, through the spirit who dwells in you)

[SUP]23 [/SUP]Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? [SUP]25 [/SUP]But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance. (those born of God do not look at God for judgment, We look to god as our abba father, waiting with hope of our eternal life, With the HS as our witness that we are children of God. vs those who live in fear, because they are still under law!)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” [SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, [SUP]17 [/SUP]and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ,

For those who think we can lose salvation because we do not follow some law. Paul rejects this notion.. We have hope.. And no one can bring a charge against us!

[SUP]31 [/SUP]What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? [SUP]32 [/SUP]He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? [SUP]33 [/SUP]Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. [SUP]34 [/SUP]Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. [SUP]35 [/SUP]Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? [SUP]36 [/SUP]As it is written:

“For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”[SUP][c][/SUP]

[SUP]37 [/SUP]Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. [SUP]38 [/SUP]For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, [SUP]39 [/SUP]nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Hold on to these things, and you will never fear again! This is what God wants us to think, to hope. and to guide us through all forms of tribulation, whether it be deserved or undeserved.

john832 · Jun 17, 2013

eternally-gratefull said:

I see, reading and posting the word of God is distorting it.

john832 · Jun 17, 2013

eternally-gratefull said:

Nice way to distort gods word. You want to destroy what God said himself. Why don't you look at what Paul said, he makes it quite clear. and unless you think paul contradicted Christ. You should believe and take to heart what he said.

Rom 8:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you . Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.(If you are saved at all) [SUP]

10 [/SUP]And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. (If Christ is in you, Your spirit is alive (born again) because of him, and what he did, if not, you are not saved)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. (Again, IF YOU ARE SAVED, The spirit of God will give life to your mortal bodies, through the spirit who dwells in you)

[SUP]23 [/SUP]Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? [SUP]25 [/SUP]But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance. (those born of God do not look at God for judgment, We look to god as our abba father, waiting with hope of our eternal life, With the HS as our witness that we are children of God. vs those who live in fear, because they are still under law!)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” [SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, [SUP]17 [/SUP]and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ,

For those who think we can lose salvation because we do not follow some law. Paul rejects this notion.. We have hope.. And no one can bring a charge against us!

[SUP]31 [/SUP]What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? [SUP]32 [/SUP]He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? [SUP]33 [/SUP]Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. [SUP]34 [/SUP]Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. [SUP]35 [/SUP]Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? [SUP]36 [/SUP]As it is written:

“For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”[SUP][c][/SUP]

[SUP]37 [/SUP]Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. [SUP]38 [/SUP]For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, [SUP]39 [/SUP]nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Hold on to these things, and you will never fear again! This is what God wants us to think, to hope. and to guide us through all forms of tribulation, whether it be deserved or undeserved.

OK, are you telling us not to keep the Commandments? Speak plainly here.

eternally-gratefull · Jun 17, 2013

john832 said:

No.

taking it out of context is distorting it.

making it contradict other aspects of scripture is distorting it.

Doing this nullifies scripture as truth, for it is no better than any other book. it contradicts itself. thus can not be trustworthy!

eternally-gratefull · Jun 17, 2013

john832 said:

No. We should seek the spirit. and all these things will be taken care of.

what is the lie, is that our eternity is not secure in Christ, who gives us the power through the spirit.

As I said.

Hold on to these things, and you will never fear again! This is what God wants us to think, to hope. and to guide us through all forms of tribulation, whether it be deserved or undeserved.

Why do you want to preach fear?? instead of forgiveness and love and mercy? I don't get it!

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jun 17, 2013

john832 said:

You delight in equivocation. We keep telling you that the commandments of the new covenant are to be kept (which fulfill the righteousness of the 10 commandments), but you ignore them and act like GOD's commandments are only those under the old covenant.

john832 · Jun 17, 2013

eternally-gratefull said:

No. We should seek the spirit. and all these things will be taken care of.

what is the lie, is that our eternity is not secure in Christ, who gives us the power through the spirit.

As I said.

Hold on to these things, and you will never fear again! This is what God wants us to think, to hope. and to guide us through all forms of tribulation, whether it be deserved or undeserved.

Why do you want to preach fear?? instead of forgiveness and love and mercy? I don't get it!

Shall we keep the Commandments or not? Please answer yes or no.

john832 · Jun 17, 2013

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Nope, just following after the Apostle Paul...

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

Now please tell me what the Commandments of the New Testament are?

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jun 17, 2013

john832 said:

Look back through this thread. I'm sure you'll find them if you truly want to know.

JaumeJ · Jun 17, 2013

Delight in the law of God after the inward man from Romans 7:22 and with Revelation in mind the following Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the (a)commandments of God, and the (b)faith of Jesus.

john832 said:

eternally-gratefull · Jun 17, 2013

john832 said:

What you think I am stupid? Thats not a fair question, it can be taken many ways, If you would ask to a point, then I could answer. I answered what we should do, if you want to be specific. Then ask. Otherwise. Don't expect an answer.

eternally-gratefull · Jun 17, 2013

john832 said:

Love the lord your God with all your heart mind and Soul, Love your neighbor as yourself ALL the commands fall under these two laws.

Some people just can not comprehend this!

JaumeJ · Jun 17, 2013

This law forms but one of the laws of Moses, along with the one like it, to love one's neighbor as one loves oneself.

On these hinge all the laws.

Upon examination of the Ten Commandments it is clear these do fall under the two great laws.

Before coming to the Messiah, many people follow the Commandments by nature, that is aside from the ones dealing with having one God, no idols and observing the Seventh Day as a gift from our Maker to rest from our daily travail.

One must first listen to the Holy Spirit on these matters because people will tend to vote on things instead of hearing Him.

eternally-gratefull said:

john832 · Jun 17, 2013

eternally-gratefull said:

This is kinda th eanswer I expected. As far as asking to a point, do we obey the Ten Commandments or not is about as direct a question as I can ask.

eternally-gratefull · Jun 17, 2013

john832 said:

No.

Do you obey the ten commands in order to be saved.
Do you obey the ten commands out of a love for God
Do you obey the ten commands By obeying the two commands of the OT
..... etc etc.

you asked an open ended question.. which has no yes or no answer by itself..

john832 · Jun 17, 2013

eternally-gratefull said:

Uh, lemme see if I can...

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The last six are comprehended in the summary that says love your neighbor as yourself.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Which Commandments did Paul refer to as the Law of the New Covenant?

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

He was actually quoting this...

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Now what is the word for Law here that Paul referred to in Hebrews?

law:

H8451
תּרה תּורה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

You can call it a space shuttle if you want, but Paul directly referred to the Ten Commandments and the Law of Moses here as the Law.

john832 · Jun 17, 2013

eternally-gratefull said:

You forgot one, obey the Ten Commandments simply because God says to. If for no other reason, that is good enough.

4enlightment · Jun 17, 2013

Matthew 22:36“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” So which laws is He referring to?

Matthew 23:23“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. I doesn't seem to recall this mentioning in the old laws.

Hebrews 5:12In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again. You need milk, not solid food!

Hebrews 5:13Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness.

Milk is the old commandments, and solid foods represent the new commandments. But if you consider yourselves as infants, then go ahead and stay on the nipple.

eternally-gratefull · Jun 17, 2013

john832 said:

better yet that you obey the two commands in the NT given by Christ.

if you do this, you will obey all ten (and the many others which were given)

but hey, if you want to stick to the negative. and stick to the old way, thats up to you

richie_2uk · Jun 17, 2013

Look! the commandments were given to us for a reason, and that alone, is to be kept. We can go all theological, we can even think all sorts to try detour our own belief's against them. At the end of the day, the commandments are there, here and will be there/here to stay, whether you keep them or not. How much do you want to keep, is your own desired heart. God Has given us these commandments for us to follow, to keep, to lead by, to give us structure, to live life according to his will. How much of the commandments you keep or follow, that's up to you. I know from experience the commandments are hard to follow. But God sees your heart. So yes we are to keep the commandments. Even if its hard, we still are to keep them.

and all the verses you quoted, sounds like you are confused. The laws are referred to God's own word. The question should be, do we all keep them, easy answer, NO, we don't, because we people try to detour ourselves away of things we don't like to hear, see, from God. and we can't pick and choose what verse sounds good and then live by just that verse. we need to heed to every word spoken by God. and follow it,, even if its the hardest thing ever to do. There's tons of stuff in the bible that we will never ever understand, But its not up to us, to make up, or lead by our own understanding and belief's. So answer to your question, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS. ( yes ) otherwise it would be a waste of time, God mentioning them in his word. He has not put them in the bible for nothing.

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