Keep The Commandments

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eternally-gratefull

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Don't you think it would be much easier if we just pretend we are perfect like our Father in Heaven is perfect by not eating ham and taking saturdays off???

Less offensive to everyone...
Guess the words, "All things to all people" don't mean a thing does it??
 

JaumeJ

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First, that is getting a bit out of line. The OP is keeping the Commandments. If you would read the laws you will see they mostly relate to being exercised within the confines of the Temple in Jerusalem, which does not exist, ergo, those laws cannot be followed.

I believe it is a given here the people in this forum who believe believe Yeshua is the Only sacrifice for sin, so no one is making reference to all of those ceremonial laws and statutes.

Regarding dietary and clean laws, these are covered in Paul's teachings that one may eat meat while another may not, the most important lesson here is neither is to be judged for doing so.

The Commandments will always be joy to any who have come to Yeshua because they please the Father, just as He pleased the Father in obeying Him.

There has never been a ceasing of honoring our parents, stealing, commintting adultry, and so forth. The laws cannot be followed which pertain to being physically in Israel or in the Temple.

As long as on believes the Works of Jesus, Yeshua, and believe Him by doing His teachings, no one should have any problem with what others eat or what days they observe. If they do, they do not know Yeshua.

They may go on and on about resting in the Lord, but understanding Him is far from their actions.

You asked grandpa. I will let him answer instead of cutting in, Then I will answer.

I guess you want to relate with God through the law huh?? You better relate by every aspect of the law. or your doomed. Seen your priest lately to have him sacrifice an animal for your sin?? Oh and you better make sure that lamb is without spot. Don;t be getting a sick old lamb that ain't worth anything to take the easy way out.

let me know how that all works out.

 

PennEd

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Matthew 19:17 KJV
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

John 14:15 KJV
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 15:10 KJV
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1 John 2:3 KJV
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 3:22 KJV
And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1 John 5:2 KJV
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1 John 5:3 KJV
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Revelation 12:17 KJV
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 KJV
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

This is overwhelming evidence that the Bible says we are to keep the commandments. To say we do not have to keep the commandments is teaching against the clear word of God. The fact that we are saved by grace through faith does not release us from keeping the law.

Philippians 4:13 KJV
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
John 15:4-5 KJV
(4) Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
(5) I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
The WHOLE point of the animal sacrifices that foreshadowed the PERFECT sacrifice, for all time, Jesus Christ, was to continually wash us clean of our sins precisely BECAUSE God knew no man COULD keep ALL the Commandments ALL the time.
 

Grandpa

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I guess you want to relate with God through the law huh?? You better relate by every aspect of the law. or your doomed. Seen your priest lately to have him sacrifice an animal for your sin?? Oh and you better make sure that lamb is without spot. Don;t be getting a sick old lamb that ain't worth anything to take the easy way out.

let me know how that all works out.

That is really the heart of this issue. Those things were given to the hebrews as a type and shadow of what was to come.

We found out that our working at the law didn't cut it. It didn't make us perfect before God.

The sacrifices of bulls and goats didn't make us perfect before God or people would still be doing it.

There is only one Way to be perfect before God. Your sad attempt at keeping the Law is what should draw you to that Way.

If you have come to the Lord Jesus Christ and still desire to go back to the shadow, you aren't even attempting to understand citizenship. You still have the slave mentality. I don't know if we can entirely get away from that mentality but we can at least attempt to. What is impossible with men is possible with God.
 
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The heart of the issue is that God has laws. He has 10 commandments on how we are to deal both with God and with men.

God also has dietary laws...He always has...

These 3 questions remain for all who oppose God and His laws:

Why did God have dietary laws in the first place?

Why did god relax those laws? He didn't. But, if you think He did, you should be able to explain why.

When do you folks claim God relaxed those laws?

3 questions, that cannot be answered by pork eaters. The only way to justify your diet is by claiming God's bible is only symbolic, and that it doesn't mean what it says. So twist and shout all you want. I already know those 3 questions cannot be answered by anybody that Loves God. Only those who willingly dismiss God and His Bible can justify eating unclean meats.

The vision of Peter had nothing to do with diet. Those who think it does, are not rightly dividing the word of God. God was showing Peter that all men were to be considered. Otherwise peter would not have met with Cornelius. Acts 10:28.
 
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Don't you think it would be much easier if we just pretend we are perfect like our Father in Heaven is perfect by not eating ham and taking saturdays off???

Less offensive to everyone...
We are made perfect through the Holy Spirit.

1Pe 5:10 KJV - But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle [you].
 

Grandpa

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Romans 14:14-19
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
 

Grandpa

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We are made perfect through the Holy Spirit.

1Pe 5:10 KJV - But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle [you].
I apologize. I was being sarcastic... and ironic...
 
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Abiding

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The heart of the issue is that God has laws. He has 10 commandments on how we are to deal both with God and with men.

God also has dietary laws...He always has...

These 3 questions remain for all who oppose God and His laws:

Why did God have dietary laws in the first place?

Why did god relax those laws? He didn't. But, if you think He did, you should be able to explain why.

When do you folks claim God relaxed those laws?

3 questions, that cannot be answered by pork eaters. The only way to justify your diet is by claiming God's bible is only symbolic, and that it doesn't mean what it says. So twist and shout all you want. I already know those 3 questions cannot be answered by anybody that Loves God. Only those who willingly dismiss God and His Bible can justify eating unclean meats.

The vision of Peter had nothing to do with diet. Those who think it does, are not rightly dividing the word of God. God was showing Peter that all men were to be considered. Otherwise peter would not have met with Cornelius. Acts 10:28.

You havnt stumped anyone. Yes its symbolic. Type/antitype. And if you dont understand that your missing the whole point
of like you asked. Why did God give the law and why did He give Peter the vision to "loose" the law.

Question for you...did God relax the law for woman to leave town in their cycle and after birth? If so where does it say that
and why would He change that law if He did? Might be a clue there for you.

If you want to call them dietary laws...why no instruction on unclean plants? Or water? etc
Why did Jesus say "nothing" that goes into the mouth will make you unclean?

You might want to go back to the law and see what the intent was to show us.
 
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Every single time anyone on cc talks of doing anything to express their worship, there are scriptures after scriptures to "prove" you don't have to do one thing. These "just love" people go so far as list something that God had told people not do do and tell how they just love to do them, especially the food laws. They came from God in the first place, they are in scripture from God, and people who make fun of them are making fun of God and scripture. That is the love they say they have?

When missionaries to the pagans were told never to say the gospel required first the things God wanted them to do to express their worship, but it was the worship itself that was important, gentiles have grabbed that to their hearts tighter than any of the ways God suggested to worship. And they have never, ever, replaced it with any other ways. No wonder the church has become weak.

You guys say love is all. Well, you are right but if you get married and love your marriage partner, would it work to live across town and phone to say I love you? It takes doing.
 

john832

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Romans 14:14-19
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
C'mon, we've been through this chapter before, the subject is judging one another on two points:

1) vegetarianism
2) fasting
 

john832

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Every single time anyone on cc talks of doing anything to express their worship, there are scriptures after scriptures to "prove" you don't have to do one thing. These "just love" people go so far as list something that God had told people not do do and tell how they just love to do them, especially the food laws. They came from God in the first place, they are in scripture from God, and people who make fun of them are making fun of God and scripture. That is the love they say they have?

When missionaries to the pagans were told never to say the gospel required first the things God wanted them to do to express their worship, but it was the worship itself that was important, gentiles have grabbed that to their hearts tighter than any of the ways God suggested to worship. And they have never, ever, replaced it with any other ways. No wonder the church has become weak.

You guys say love is all. Well, you are right but if you get married and love your marriage partner, would it work to live across town and phone to say I love you? It takes doing.
Interestingly enough Jesus said this...

Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
 

john832

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Every single time anyone on cc talks of doing anything to express their worship, there are scriptures after scriptures to "prove" you don't have to do one thing. These "just love" people go so far as list something that God had told people not do do and tell how they just love to do them, especially the food laws. They came from God in the first place, they are in scripture from God, and people who make fun of them are making fun of God and scripture. That is the love they say they have?

When missionaries to the pagans were told never to say the gospel required first the things God wanted them to do to express their worship, but it was the worship itself that was important, gentiles have grabbed that to their hearts tighter than any of the ways God suggested to worship. And they have never, ever, replaced it with any other ways. No wonder the church has become weak.

You guys say love is all. Well, you are right but if you get married and love your marriage partner, would it work to live across town and phone to say I love you? It takes doing.
Gotta make another point here to support you RT...

Deu 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
Deu 12:31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Lev 10:1 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.
Lev 10:2 And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.

Ya think maybe God knows how we should worship Him and what to do and what not to?
 

JaumeJ

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No one should ridicule a brother or sister because they feel they should or should not eat any specified foods. This is taught in the Word, and it should be in practice.

The same holds true for holding any one day over another. Yet, and again it is those who love so very much, yet there are those who instruct by example not to observe the Sabbath as seen fit by the individual in the sight of the Father. This too is taught against in the Word, yet if someone wishes to observe the Sabbath on the Seventh day, as written in the Word, many are all primed to ridicule. This may be their way of showing their great love, but it is received as quite the contrary.
 

john832

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No one should ridicule a brother or sister because they feel they should or should not eat any specified foods. This is taught in the Word, and it should be in practice.

The same holds true for holding any one day over another. Yet, and again it is those who love so very much, yet there are those who instruct by example not to observe the Sabbath as seen fit by the individual in the sight of the Father. This too is taught against in the Word, yet if someone wishes to observe the Sabbath on the Seventh day, as written in the Word, many are all primed to ridicule. This may be their way of showing their great love, but it is received as quite the contrary.
As far as clean and unclean, here is just a side question...

The more we learn about life and about the human body, the more amazed we are at the intricacies of it. Do you suppose the designer and creator of this marvelous thing would have any idea about what to fuel it with?
 

john832

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Milk is the old commandments, and solid foods represent the new commandments. But if you consider yourselves as infants, then go ahead and stay on the nipple.
Got a scripture for this?
 

john832

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What you think I am stupid? Thats not a fair question, it can be taken many ways, If you would ask to a point, then I could answer. I answered what we should do, if you want to be specific. Then ask. Otherwise. Don't expect an answer.
Actually, contrary to popular belief, I think you are a reasonably bright person that is in this category...

Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Actually, contrary to popular belief, I think you are a reasonably bright person that is in this category...

Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
lol, That would be you. You can't even answer questions. Your lack of answers speak volumes, and is open for all to see..

And yes I do laugh.. Some stuff is just amazingly funny! Thats what happens when you have the spirit of God in you.
 
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danschance

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God says we are not to eat unclean meats. So,, while you seem to think you are cute by eating that which God said not to eat,, you make yourself to be haughty towards God and His dietary laws. So go ahead and stick your finger in God's eye, perhaps a dose of cancer will changfe your mind.
Actually, I can eat pork guilt free, according to the bible. In fact the bible says no one is to judge me on what I eat or drink or when I chose to worship.

 
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danschance

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Every single time anyone on cc talks of doing anything to express their worship, there are scriptures after scriptures to "prove" you don't have to do one thing. These "just love" people go so far as list something that God had told people not do do and tell how they just love to do them, especially the food laws. They came from God in the first place, they are in scripture from God, and people who make fun of them are making fun of God and scripture.
Actually, those who tell me I should be obeying the jewish dietary laws are negating the clear revelation from God. Now that can't be love at all.

Also, you can't partially obey jewish laws and ignore the rest. If you claim we are to obey jewish dietary laws then you must embrace the rest of the law. You must keep the jewish festivals, you must release all financial debts once every 7 years, men must wear a tallit complete with tzitzit and use it to pray.

In fact, the Law was our teacher. It was supposed to teach us until we had faith and were acceptable to God. But once a person has learned to have faith, there is no more need to have the Law as a teacher. Gal. 3:24-25

But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 2 Cor. 3:14
Lifting out portions of jewish dietary laws and adhering it to the new covenant, is like putt an old cloth patch on new cloth. You either embrace the new covenant or the old one, but blending them together is unscriptural.