Keep The Commandments

[Laodicea]

Matthew 22:37 KJV
(37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Deuteronomy 6:5 KJV
(5) And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Matthew 22:39 KJV
(39) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Leviticus 19:18 KJV
(18) Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.


When Jesus spoke these two commands He was quoting the OT. There were not new commands replacing the 10 commands.

Exodus 31:18 KJV(18) And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.


The ten commandments were written on two tables. The first four to God the next six to our neighbour.

 

[4enlightment]

He has given them to us for a reason but we just follow them as a tradtional pattern but careless why He has gave them to us. We just stick them on our walls but we has violated them all the time. But we say that we follow them and which we had just broken one by saying that. But if you still want to follow them as the rich man has follow them, then go ahead; but I tell you that it will be easier to fit an camel in the eye of an needle than you entering the gates; because you have neglected the purpose of the laws and which you didn't take time to study. And if you don't know them, then God will not know you because you didn't focus on His word. I know more about your friends and family what they like and dislike and doesn't know nothing about Him, what do you think He is going to say. He will know that you put more emphasis on the things that you had loved. Go ahead and make everything that He had said to do and turn them into rituals so that you will become accustom of obeying them but not understanding them. I know that I keep on counting backward from 100 to 0 for about a million times, that I'll be able to count in my sleep backward.

Psalm 49:20People who have wealth but lack understanding are like the beasts that perish.

Hosea 4:6my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. “Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children.

Matthew 16:3and in the morning, ‘Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.

Matthew 22:29Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.

 

[Grandpa]

There seems to be much debate on this and yet the Source of salvation, the Expert, the One who created man, the One who spoke His Law from Mt. Sinai, the One who gave His life so that we might obtain salvation, did not equivocate, He did not even stutter...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

And what did He command?

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

What did He inspire the Apostle John to write?

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Now there are those who refuse to obey, that is between them and God, but Paul wrote about them...

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The carnally minded are the enemy of God and cannot be subject to His Law.

So, either Christ knew what He was talking about or He didn't. You choose, I have already chosen.

Not the carnally minded. The carnal mind.

The same mind that you used to write that post.

The same mind and power you use to "keep" the commandments.

It is the enemy of God and is not subject to His Law.

Why do you think the Lord Jesus never had anything nice to say about Pharisees? They supposedly "kept" the commandments better than anyone else on the planet.

Check this out for a moment and tell me what you think...

Luke 18:10-14
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.


Does the humble man say keep the commandments?


Or does the humble man tell you that all we need as Christians is found in Christ?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

law:

H8451
תּרה תּורה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

You can call it a space shuttle if you want, but Paul directly referred to the Ten Commandments and the Law of Moses here as the Law.

Thanks, You just proved everything I have said all along.

We are not saved by the law. According to your own words.. The ten commands are part of the law.

As for the two.. Again, If you want to look at the negative, Feel free.. I will look at the positive.

I love my wife, neighbor, parents etc. So I will not commit adultry, Lie Cheat, Steal, or covet, I will give and praise God for blessing them..

I think you get the point.

We look at it from different views.. Either way, Your trying to be saved by law. Paul calls you a 4 letter word. i will let you figure out what that is,, You know. those who start in the spirit, but try to PERFECT it in the flesh (law)

 

[Bookends]

The written law of Moses was meant to be broken.

Why?

So that we can see our failure in keeping it! Which results in our broken heart and desire for one who can save us.

Who can that be? Jesus Christ who was and is perfect as the law of Moses. The law of Moses points to our perfect savior and this law is embodied in Him.

Thus in the same way the law was meant to be broken, so was our savior meant to be broken! But not for condemnation but for perfect sacrifice in which God the father would be satisfied for our redemption. Therefore who ever looks upon the work of Christ on the Cross and believes by faith of the grace freely given, just as the Israelites did when they looked upon the snake on a pole, will be saved from their sins and have eternal life.

 

[Laodicea]

Not the carnally minded. The carnal mind.

The same mind that you used to write that post.

The same mind and power you use to "keep" the commandments.

It is the enemy of God and is not subject to His Law.

Why do you think the Lord Jesus never had anything nice to say about Pharisees? They supposedly "kept" the commandments better than anyone else on the planet.

Check this out for a moment and tell me what you think...

Luke 18:10-14
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.


Does the humble man say keep the commandments?


Or does the humble man tell you that all we need as Christians is found in Christ?

It is God that says keep the commandments

 

[RedTent]

Should we love?

If we are loving, are we not fulfilling God's Law?

Look not towards the letter, but look towards Love.

I love. I love. I love. Now, hand me a cigarette and a double shot, I've obeyed the law.

 

[danschance]

I eat pork and as I do, my eyes glaze over and get a small blissful smile. Am I keeping the commandments?

 

[JaumeJ]

Anyone in Yeshua, Christ, should never ridicule anyone, especially family, for what they consider a good diet. It is not just childish, it is a sin against those brethren. It is written, if what I eat will cause my brother to stumble, I will refrain from eating it. It does not recommend ridicule at any level.

As for the Sabbath, it is but a shadow of what is to come, but it is a shadow. It is very sad not to recognize the form of that shadow in this age, for it is the shadow of what is glorious. No one in the forum has done anything more than agree with others on not observing the shadow or form of what is to come.

For those who love Jesus, Yeshua, following His Example is foremost. Please hear Him before thinking what others say on any given subject has rescinded what He has taught. No one may rescind His love in the form of His teaching, amen.

 

[cfultz3]

I love. I love. I love. Now, hand me a cigarette and a double shot, I've obeyed the law.

The Spirit leads to Love where there is forgiveness, as oppose to the Law where there is mandate.

Let the Spirit lead and there will be no need for the flesh's schoolmaster.

God is Love. The Law brings knowledge of offense.

Live not under condemnation which the Law brings, but live in Love, as He is in Love.

 

[Michael50]

I eat pork and as I do, my eyes glaze over and get a small blissful smile. Am I keeping the commandments?

God says we are not to eat unclean meats. So,, while you seem to think you are cute by eating that which God said not to eat,, you make yourself to be haughty towards God and His dietary laws. So go ahead and stick your finger in God's eye, perhaps a dose of cancer will changfe your mind.

 

[Grandpa]

It is God that says keep the commandments

Yes. Exactly. God says keep the commandments.

He also says be perfect like your Father in Heaven is perfect. He wouldn't say it if you couldn't do it.

So are you doing it? Is your keeping of commandments making you perfect like your Father in Heaven is perfect?

 

[Grandpa]

God says we are not to eat unclean meats. So,, while you seem to think you are cute by eating that which God said not to eat,, you make yourself to be haughty towards God and His dietary laws. So go ahead and stick your finger in God's eye, perhaps a dose of cancer will changfe your mind.

Matthew 15:16-18
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

 

[Michael50]

Matthew 15:16-18
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

Grandpa,,Please answer these questions:

Why did God have dietary laws in the first place?

When did God relax those dietary laws?

Why would God relax those dietary laws that He Himself established?

3 questions for you grandpa... your response will will either be erroneous,, or you will have to admit you are wrong and that Gods dietary laws are still in effect..... Which is it,, answer those 3 questions or admit you are wrong?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Grandpa,,Please answer these questions:

Why did God have dietary laws in the first place?

When did God relax those dietary laws?

Why would God relax those dietary laws that He Himself established?

3 questions for you grandpa... your response will will either be erroneous,, or you will have to admit you are wrong and that Gods dietary laws are still in effect..... Which is it,, answer those 3 questions or admit you are wrong?

you ever heard of the term symbolic? You ever heard the words all things God made he has made clean??

both are NT sayings concerning these dietary laws!

 

[JaumeJ]

Delight in the law of God after the inward man from Romans 7:22 and with Revelation in mind the following Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the (a)commandments of God, and the (b)faith of Jesus.

Delight in the law of Yahweh in the inward man. Can everyone say they do this? Why is it brought up if it is not something to practice? Is the Word being rewritten by flesh in place of the Holy Spirit?

One must think separately of the commandments of Yahweh and the faith of Yeshua, though they are one in the Holy Spirit.

These teachings are from Holy Scripture.

 

[Michael50]

you ever heard of the term symbolic? You ever heard the words all things God made he has made clean??

both are NT sayings concerning these dietary laws!

So,, i guess that means you can't answer those 3 questions,,, lol So,, instead,, we will just pretend it's symbolic,,,lol,,, Hey,, why not just burn your bible and make-up one that goes along with how you want to live your life...lol

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So,, i guess that means you can't answer those 3 questions,,, lol So,, instead,, we will just pretend it's symbolic,,,lol,,, Hey,, why not just burn your bible and make-up one that goes along with how you want to live your life...lol

You asked grandpa. I will let him answer instead of cutting in, Then I will answer.

I guess you want to relate with God through the law huh?? You better relate by every aspect of the law. or your doomed. Seen your priest lately to have him sacrifice an animal for your sin?? Oh and you better make sure that lamb is without spot. Don;t be getting a sick old lamb that ain't worth anything to take the easy way out.

let me know how that all works out.

 

[Grandpa]

Grandpa,,Please answer these questions:

Why did God have dietary laws in the first place?

Good question. I had always thought that it was because back in the OT days they didn't have refrigerators so some of those foods were actually dangerous for them to eat. But I'm sure it goes way deeper than that.

But then God gave Peter the vision in Acts 10. God told Peter that what He has cleansed to not call unclean.

When did God relax those dietary laws?

Its hard to tell. Acts 10 I suppose...

Why would God relax those dietary laws that He Himself established?

For the same reason that He sent His Son to die on the Cross for our salvation.

3 questions for you grandpa... your response will will either be erroneous,, or you will have to admit you are wrong and that Gods dietary laws are still in effect..... Which is it,, answer those 3 questions or admit you are wrong?

Do you have Acts 10 in your bible? Why does God tell Peter to kill and eat if it goes against His Dietary Laws? Why does God rebuke Peter when Peter says no Lord?

Because what goes into your mouth isn't what defiles you. What comes out of your mouth is what defiles you.

Poor kid. Are you mormon or something?

 

[Grandpa]

So,, i guess that means you can't answer those 3 questions,,, lol So,, instead,, we will just pretend it's symbolic,,,lol,,, Hey,, why not just burn your bible and make-up one that goes along with how you want to live your life...lol

Don't you think it would be much easier if we just pretend we are perfect like our Father in Heaven is perfect by not eating ham and taking saturdays off???

Less offensive to everyone...