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Titus 3:8-9 a command from the Lord through His servant to us gentiles. Peace and grace with mercy and compassion effuse from each one to another in the Beautiful all powerful Agape name Jesus our Hope faith and salvation who is the fullness of God whom we have invited in us to impart His Life Light and Love continue to edify and exhort in all profitability in the New covenant of new wine skins with new wine by the blood of Jesus
 
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I hope you've noticed throughout this discussion how those who try to read scripture in physical terms always fail to explain away how scripture contradicts the doctrine to propose.

Perhaps it's time to consider scripture as it was intended...spiritually.

How do you handle this vs?...

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
(2Co 5:10)
Good = Believe in Jesus.

Bad = Unbelief in Jesus.[/QUOTE]

Good =allowed Him to flow from us;His life, light and love
Bad =gave of my self flesh empty of His power presence life light and salvation
 

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Circumcision is of the law of Moses and given at Sinai. Even though it started with Abe. Ten commandments given at Sinai. Even though Abe was keeping Gods commandments before Sinai. He OBEYED VOICE. So which of these, the 10 commandments or circumcision do the scriptures say bring us into “bondage”?

And the winner is....

GALATIANS 5 [1] Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and BE NOT ENTANGLED AGAIN WITH THE YOKE OF BONDAGE. [2] Behold, I Paul say unto you, that IF YE BE CIRCUMCISED, CHRIST SHALL PROFIT YOU NOTHING.
And this should come as no surprise. The book of Galatians is 6 short chapters in which circumcision is mentioned 16 times. The 10 commandments are not mentioned once. And yet the "many" will point to scriptures in Galatians which are talkin bout the law of circumcision and claim the scriptures are speakin of the 10 commandments
 

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We Christians were actually givin many warnings about the bad guys and what they would do. The warnings are all around the new testament.

1 PETER 5 [8] Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a ROARING LION, walketh about, SEEKING WHOM HE MAY DEVOUR:

Watch out for these roaring lions!

MATT.7 [14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.[15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are RAVENING WOLVES.

Beware of false these prophets. They are RAVENING WOLVES. Also implied here is that “the many” will follow these false prophets and but a few will take the way of life.

ACTS 20 [29] For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous WOLVES ENTER IN among you, not sparing the flock.[30] Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, TO DRAW AWAY DISCIPLES after them.

The GRIEVOUS WOLVES were there from the beginning

EPH.4 [17] This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth WALK NOT AS OTHER GENTILES walk, in the VANITY of their mind,[18] Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:[19] Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all UNCLEANNESS with GREEDINESS.

Well, I found all these warnings from the new testament in one scripture. The Day of the Lord scriptures are so great. Since “that day” has not yet arrived no one can claim that the scripture is for ancient Israel and does not apply to christians. Day of the Lord scriptures do apply to christians (those who believe that Jesus came) and these scriptures will come to pass. To see what these ROARING LIONS and RAVENOUS WOLVES have done, simply read and believe the Word.

EZEK.22 [23] And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,[24] Son of man, say unto her, Thou art the land that is not cleansed, nor rained upon in the day of indignation.[25] There is A CONSPIRACY OF HER PROPHETS in the midst thereof, like a ROARING LION ravening the prey; THEY HAVE DEVOURED SOULS; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.[26] HER PRIESTS HAVE VIOLATED MY LAW, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the UNCLEAN AND THE CLEAN, and HAVE HID THEIR EYES FROM MY SABBATHS, and I am profaned among them.[27] Her princes in the midst thereof are like WOLVES RAVENING THE PREY, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get DISHONEST GAIN.[28] And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, SEEING VANITY, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken

A conspiracy of the prophets. HID THEIR EYES FROM MY SABBATHS! They meant to do it and they sure did pull it off despite the warnings
Proof that Zeke 22 is a "day of the Lord" scripture

EZEK.22 [21] Yea, I WILL GATHER YOU, and blow upon you in the FIRE OF MY WRATH, and ye shall be melted in the midst thereof.[22] AS SILVER IS MELTED in the midst of the furnace, SO SHALL YE BE MELTED in the midst thereof; and ye shall know that I the LORD have poured out my fury upon you.[23] And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, [24] Son of man, say unto her, Thou art the land that is not cleansed, nor rained upon in the DAY OF INDIGNATION.[25] There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a ROARING LION ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.[26] HER PRIESTS HAVE VIOLATED MY LAW, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.[27] Her princes in the midst thereof are like WOLVES ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.[28] And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken.

ZEPH.1 [18] NEITHER THEIR SILVER {ezek v 22} nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in THE DAY OF THE LORD'S WRATH; but the whole land shall be DEVOURED BY THE FIRE {ezek v 21}of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land

ZEPH.2 [1] Gather yourselves together, yea, GATHER TOGETHER {ezek v 21}, O nation not desired;[2] Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER come upon you.[3] Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD's anger.

ZEPH.3 [3] Her princes within her are ROARING LIONS{ezek v 25}; her judges are evening WOLVES{ezek v 27}; they gnaw not the bones till the morrow.[4] Her prophets are light and treacherous persons: HER PRIESTS HAVE POLLUTED THE SANCTUARY, THEY HAVE DONE VIOLENCE TO THE LAW{ezek v 26}..........[8] Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to GATHER THE NATIONS, that I may assemble the kingdoms, TO POUR UPON THEM MINE INDIGNATION{ezek v 24}, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be DEVOURED WITH THE FIRE OF MY JEALOUSY{ezek v 21}.[9] For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent

Theres no doubt Zeph 1-3 and Ezek 22 are speaking of the same event. In Zeph we see that this event is called the Day of the Lord
 
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GALATIANS 4 [21] Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? [22] For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. [23] But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. [24] Which things are an allegory: for these are the TWO COVENANTS; THE ONE FROM THE MOUNT SINAI, WHICH GENDERETH TO BONDAGE, WHICH IS AGAR. [25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. [26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Is the above scripture speaking of the 10 commandments as the “many” would have you to believe or circumcision? This scripture speaks of the two sons and not the women.
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The law is described in various ways (circumcision/10 commandments/tables of stone/sacrifices). Doctrines that try to split the law into two are error.

Consider, for example, 2Cor 3:7-11
But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, [SUP]8 [/SUP]how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? [SUP]9 [/SUP]For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.

The old covenant doctrine of righteousness by works of the law is symbolically described as Hagar.
And scripture gives many warnings against turning back to the law/Hagar. That is spiritual fornication.
 

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The law is described in various ways (circumcision/10 commandments/tables of stone/sacrifices). Doctrines that try to split the law into two are error.
EXODUS 24 [12] And the Lord said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, AND a law, AND commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.

We can see that the law AND the ten commandments are separate. They are not lumped into 600 plus commandments called the law as the "many" claim. The reason they make this claim is to point to one liners which are usually talking about the law of circumcision and apply that one liner to the ten commandments. This is done to extreme with the book of Galatians

1 COR.7 [18] Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.[19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Paul splits them. In above scripture we find that even though circumcision was nailed to the cross, we are still to be keeping Gods ten commandments

JOHN 7 [21] Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.[22] Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.[23] If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

If what the "many" claim were true John 7 wouldnt be saying what it says. It clearly separates the sabbath day on which no work is to be done and the law of circumcision being done on the sabbath so as the law of Moses be not broken. So here we find Jesus "splitting" them

EXODUS 16 [28] AND THE LORD SAID UNTO MOSES, HOW LONG REFUSE YE TO KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS AND MY LAWS? [29] See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.[30] So the people rested on the seventh day.

And here we find the Lord splitting the law AND commandments
 

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The law is described in various ways (circumcision/10 commandments/tables of stone/sacrifices). Doctrines that try to split the law into two are error.

Consider, for example, 2Cor 3:7-11
But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, [SUP]8 [/SUP]how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? [SUP]9 [/SUP]For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.
2 COR. 3 [6] WHO ALSO HATH MADE US ABLE MINISTERS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT; NOT OF THE LETTER, BUT OF THE SPIRIT: FOR THE LETTER KILLETH, BUT THE SPIRIT GIVETH LIFE. [7] But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: [8] How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

ROMANS 7 [6] But now we are DELIVERED FROM THE LAW, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should SERVE IN NEWNESS OF SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE OLDNESS OF THE LETTER.

As we can see in above scriptures we are now to walk in the spirit of the law. If we walk only in the letter of the law this will lead to death, but if we walk in the spirit of the law this leads to life.

MATTHEW 5 [20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. [21] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, THOU SHALT NOT KILL; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: [22] BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT WHOSOEVER IS ANGRY WITH HIS BROTHER WITHOUT A CAUSE SHALL BE IN DANGER OF THE JUDGMENT: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

OLD LETTER- Thou shalt not kill
NEW SPIRIT- Don’t even get angry. Call no man a fool. Love one another in thought, word and deed.

MATTHEW 5 [27] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, thou shalt not commit adultery: [28] But i say unto you, that WHOSOEVER LOOKETH ON A WOMAN TO LUST AFTER HER HATH COMMITTED ADULTERY with her already in his heart.

OLD LETTER- Thou shalt not commit adultery
NEW SPIRIT- Do not look on a woman to lust. Keep the law in our mind and spirit. Even in our eyes.

Tell me Haz
How can you walk in the spirit of the law and not be walking in the letter?
 

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Wall,
Galatians4 is comparing Isaac/Ishmael-promise/law.
Galatians 4:4-5 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Galatians 4:21-26 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
 

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Wall,
Galatians4 is comparing Isaac/Ishmael-promise/law.
Galatians 4:4-5 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Galatians 4:21-26 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Post 640 bondage=circumcision

nowhere will you find bondage being Gods 10 commandments
 

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Post 640 bondage=circumcision

nowhere will you find bondage being Gods 10 commandments
The bondage refers to the flesh (man's effort compared to God's promise) Man's effort was symbolized by Ishmael as he was born from human effort of Abraham and Sarah, while Isaac symbolized God's promise as he was born without any hope from Abraham or Sarah but solely by promise of God.
 

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The following is a quote from Micah, found in the Old Testament. Micah was a believer after the teachings of Moses.

Mic 6:7
Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?

Mic 6:8
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

Nothing here is considered authorization from the Most High God to overlook the Ten Commandments.

Would that all who claim to believe the Lord, Yeshua, were to read all of the Bible as one complete compilation of Yahweh's Word. Jesus, Yeshua, is the Father, Isaiah.
 
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I don't see the rift.
A christian won't murder.
" won't commit adultery.
" won't lie. (without repenting for it!)
" won't covet. (without seeing it is wrong, and repenting)
The law was a schoolmaster leading us to Christ.
Once we've found Him are we going to annual it?
God forbid.
Jesus perfects the law.
Jesus perfects us also.
The work is the Lord's.
 
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The issue is not that "doing" somehow EARNS salvation. Salvation is simply wrought via the dynamic of "working together with God."

Doing is not a result of salvation. Good fruit is a result of salvation. Doing is a result of godly sorrow working a genuine change of mind unto salvation.

There must be doing BEFORE salvation can take place.

Noah DID by building the Ark BEFORE the flood came.

The prodigal son DID by forsaking the pig pen in order to seek out his father BEFORE he was restored.

This is not saying that one "saves themselves." NO!. It is simply stating that DOING is a condition mandated by God that must be present for God to author the salvation of someone. God is not the author the salvation of those who remain disobedient because they are in rejection of the implanted word which would save their souls.
UMM Skinski,

Noah built the ark because he BELIEVED God. Faith came FIRST. If Noah didn't believe God he would have never built the ark. The doing ALWAYS comes from a changed heart. You can't please without faith. Faith MUST ALWAYS come first. Abraham was declared righteous by FAITH. Hebrews 11 is all about the old testament believers and their FAITH. What came afterwards was what they did.

Even Jesus said the same thing IF YOU BELIEVE (1st) YOU WILL OBEY AND KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS. To obey COMES out of faith.
 
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EXODUS 24 [12] And the Lord said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, AND a law, AND commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.

We can see that the law AND the ten commandments are separate. They are not lumped into 600 plus commandments called the law as the "many" claim. The reason they make this claim is to point to one liners which are usually talking about the law of circumcision and apply that one liner to the ten commandments. This is done to extreme with the book of Galatians

1 COR.7 [18] Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.[19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Paul splits them. In above scripture we find that even though circumcision was nailed to the cross, we are still to be keeping Gods ten commandments

JOHN 7 [21] Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.[22] Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.[23] If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

If what the "many" claim were true John 7 wouldnt be saying what it says. It clearly separates the sabbath day on which no work is to be done and the law of circumcision being done on the sabbath so as the law of Moses be not broken. So here we find Jesus "splitting" them

EXODUS 16 [28] AND THE LORD SAID UNTO MOSES, HOW LONG REFUSE YE TO KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS AND MY LAWS? [29] See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.[30] So the people rested on the seventh day.

And here we find the Lord splitting the law AND commandments
You misunderstand the scriptures you quoted if you think that it separates the law into two different things.

Note the following:

Rom 7:7
I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.

Rom 7:9
I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died.

Rom 7:11
For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

James 2:10,11
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

I'm curious whether you consider a Christian to be righteous if they don't obey the law perfectly?
 

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And this should come as no surprise. The book of Galatians is 6 short chapters in which circumcision is mentioned 16 times. The 10 commandments are not mentioned once. And yet the "many" will point to scriptures in Galatians which are talkin bout the law of circumcision and claim the scriptures are speakin of the 10 commandments
Hebrews 8:7[ A New Covenant ] For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Hebrews 8:13In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Hebrews 9:1[ The Earthly Sanctuary ] Then indeed, even the first covenant had ordinances of divine service and the earthly sanctuary.
Hebrews 9:15And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 9:18Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood.

We are today in the New Covenant of God, the first covenant was to the Jews not the Gentiles and is fulfilled by Christ when here on the earth dor that is waht Christ came to do was
Matthew 5:17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
John 19:30
So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

Hebrews 9:15And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 9:16
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator
Hebrews 9:17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Hebrews 12:24to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Hebrews 7:11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.



 

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Post 640 bondage=circumcision

nowhere will you find bondage being Gods 10 commandments
It shows us our bondage by trying to obey all ten, we can't let alone all what 613 commands, And Christ said the greatest of all this is
Love, first in thankfulness to Father for Christ the Son that went to the cross and took away all sin from Father's sight. Why? So Father could live in us in the born again Spirit that Father gave us by the resurrected Christ to those that believe. A gift free, no charge, no have to do, no more stress unless one lives by the flesh, which all do from time to time and living by flesh is stress and Christ came to give us new life and take away all that flesh stress, so we need to die to flesh in our carnal minds be renewed in the Spiritual mind of Christ
John 19:7The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.

So tell me do you wish to crucify the Son of God all over again counting his sacrifice as not sufficient?
Law and grace is like oil and water they do not mix.
Trying to obey at least the Ten Commandments is like trying to hold ten apples under water at the same time with your hands, it is impossible just as Christ said it is. Matt. 19 he said it to the disciples, after they asked how is it possible for anyone to go to heaven, and they were asking this by works as they saw the rich man who had obeyed the law from birth on, but when Christ asked him to give up all his worldly treasures the rich man walked away very sad. So go ahead and somehow manage to hold Ten apples under the water at the same time and have your own righteousness, but remember what paul said about this our own righteousness in Phillipians 3
 

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The following is a quote from Micah, found in the Old Testament. Micah was a believer after the teachings of Moses.

Mic 6:7
Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?

Mic 6:8
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

Nothing here is considered authorization from the Most High God to overlook the Ten Commandments.

Would that all who claim to believe the Lord, Yeshua, were to read all of the Bible as one complete compilation of Yahweh's Word. Jesus, Yeshua, is the Father, Isaiah.
Yep the Law the Ten were put in place to show us and be aware of our sinfulness until the time appointed to where it is taken away and this is done in Christ (the promised one), the law once one sees this has done its Job in leadiing us to the finished work of Christ, and we recieve back the life that was lost in Adam and Eve, the Spirit of God living in us, and we today are aware of this and are willing to follow, knowing good and evil, but now choosing good over evil,dead to sinful flesh and alive to God in the Spirit of God by the resurrection of Christ.
 

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I don't see the rift.
A christian won't murder.
" won't commit adultery.
" won't lie. (without repenting for it!)
" won't covet. (without seeing it is wrong, and repenting)
The law was a schoolmaster leading us to Christ.
Once we've found Him are we going to annual it?
God forbid.
Jesus perfects the law.
Jesus perfects us also.
The work is the Lord's.
and the love of God is the fulfillment of all, and thus by the resurrection we get this love spread abroad in us starting at our new life in the Spirit that permeates throughout our whole body as we grow in the truth of what Christ actually did for us. wqe thus are new and worship God in the Spirit of God, which today is the only way God can be worshipped
 
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and the love of God is the fulfillment of all, and thus by the resurrection we get this love spread abroad in us starting at our new life in the Spirit that permeates throughout our whole body as we grow in the truth of what Christ actually did for us. wqe thus are new and worship God in the Spirit of God, which today is the only way God can be worshipped
Well said Homeward.
The law is there.
Christ fulfills it.
His own follow as they are led by His Spirit. (Which is Holy)
- "And none can take them out of His hand."
 

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Hebrews 8:7[ A New Covenant ] For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Hebrews 8:13In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Hebrews 9:1[ The Earthly Sanctuary ] Then indeed, even the first covenant had ordinances of divine service and the earthly sanctuary.
Hebrews 9:15And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 9:18Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood.

We are today in the New Covenant of God, the first covenant was to the Jews not the Gentiles and is fulfilled by Christ when here on the earth dor that is waht Christ came to do was
Matthew 5:17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
John 19:30
So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

Hebrews 9:15And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 9:16
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator
Hebrews 9:17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Hebrews 12:24to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Hebrews 7:11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.



There truly is a new covenant

ZECH.9 [9] Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.[10] And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from river even to the ends of the earth.[11] As for thee also, BY THE BLOOD OF THY COVENANT I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water

Verse 9 definately prophecies of the coming Jesus. Verse 11, Jesus is called the blood of thy covenant

HEBREWS 12 [23] To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,[24] And to Jesus THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT, AND TO THE BLOOD of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

New covenant...blood not ten commandments

LUKE 22 [19] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, THIS CUP IS THE NEW TESTAMENT IN MY BLOOD, which is shed for you.

New testament...blood not 10 commandments

HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

old covenant...blood of goats

HEBREWS 10 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] FOR IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.[8] Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND.

old testament...blood of bulls and goats; the shadow of Christ Not ten commandmentsd

He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

JOHN 6 [53] Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. [54] Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. [55] For MY FLESH IS MEAT INDEED, and MY BLOOD IS DRINK INDEED.

And theres the 2nd