Can atheists prove that atheism is based on facts and not fantasy?

[yac11]

Agnostic atheism is an uncertainty in the existence of a god(s) and a lack of belief in any. Essentially "I don't see it as likely but I don't have absolute certainty. I understand your point, Im not saying I believe there is no god, I don't have belief in a god. That doesn't entail me grooving that there isn't one, the idea that absolute certainty is near impossible is important on this topic.

Wow....u know I can almost understand people who say they don't know what they believe in because they have never had anything personally happen to them, that they know to be of God. And they don't know anyone in their sphere of influence who they consider credible to have had a connection with God. All they have is people telling them about the bible, and when they pick it up, its like reading nothing because it means nothing and it doesn't speak to them.

The real problem for me with atheists and agnostics is when it's people in your sphere of influence, people who love you and who know you love them. You tell them your experience or testimony and they don't believe you. I have one brother who is now an atheist. Used to believe in God back in our childhood days but as years passed and God has touched all but his life he is a die hard atheist.

I believe atheist hurt in a way we don't understand. Back in 77 we lost our mom in a car accident. It was my mother and myself only that were in the accident. I survived barely. Because my brothers were young and alone( my dad had moved out of the family house,) the police made a mistake and came to the house and told my brothers of the accident. They also told them, that one of us was deceased and needed to contact our father. I know, crazy right. I just learned of this in 87. Anyway, I found out that my now atheist brother prayed to God for my mom to die and to keep me alive.

Three months after the death of our mother I was wanting to die because I was the driver of the accident and though I didn't do anything wrong, I still felt like I killed my mom. One night being all alone in the family house and grieving I was given a gift by God, he showed me his power and answered my question. That night changed my life. I told my family...all looked the other way.

IN the years since, my father, my other brother and myself, all walk with Jesus now. But the brother who prayed for my mom to die and of hearing my experience then and the rest of my testimony is cutting himself off from all of us. I believe with my whole heart, that at least for one atheist, they are hurting and more broken than most of us.

 

[basebool]

Wow....u know I can almost understand people who say they don't know what they believe in because they have never had anything personally happen to them, that they know to be of God. And they don't know anyone in their sphere of influence who they consider credible to have had a connection with God. All they have is people telling them about the bible, and when they pick it up, its like reading nothing because it means nothing and it doesn't speak to them.

The real problem for me with atheists and agnostics is when it's people in your sphere of influence, people who love you and who know you love them. You tell them your experience or testimony and they don't believe you. I have one brother who is now an atheist. Used to believe in God back in our childhood days but as years passed and God has touched all but his life he is a die hard atheist.

I believe atheist hurt in a way we don't understand. Back in 77 we lost our mom in a car accident. It was my mother and myself only that were in the accident. I survived barely. Because my brothers were young and alone( my dad had moved out of the family house,) the police made a mistake and came to the house and told my brothers of the accident. They also told them, that one of us was deceased and needed to contact our father. I know, crazy right. I just learned of this in 87. Anyway, I found out that my now atheist brother prayed to God for my mom to die and to keep me alive.

Three months after the death of our mother I was wanting to die because I was the driver of the accident and though I didn't do anything wrong, I still felt like I killed my mom. One night being all alone in the family house and grieving I was given a gift by God, he showed me his power and answered my question. That night changed my life. I told my family...all looked the other way.

IN the years since, my father, my other brother and myself, all walk with Jesus now. But the brother who prayed for my mom to die and of hearing my experience then and the rest of my testimony is cutting himself off from all of us. I believe with my whole heart, that at least for one atheist, they are hurting and more broken than most of us.

Well i have never, and so have many others, felt this "god" feeling because it doesn't exist for me. Why is it that when you slightly feel somethin out of the blue, it's jesus' touch, but when i don't it's fine? This is why i hope you understand your beliefs are less then scientific because you automatically assume its holy and you don't test it with anything else. Thats called wishful thinking

 

[resurrection33]

Can atheists prove that atheism is based on facts and not phantasy? I am not discussing evolution or Christianity. I am asking Atheists if their beliefs/religion is logical and based on facts. Honestly, I think atheism is a pipe dream based on superstition. Isn't atheism nothing more than a man made religion?

If you listen to the Lord, he will solve all your problems. Atheists, aren't listening. They are left to solve their own problems. They aren't as good at it as the Lord is, though.

 

[Shiloah]

1 Corinthians 2:14

But the unbeliever does not welcome what comes from God's Spirit, because it is foolishness to him; he is not able to understand it since it is evaluated spiritually.

You know, this really says it all. That which is spiritual cannot be evaluated in a scientific laboratory because it is not of the physical realm. But when you try to study the origin of life, you can't possibly be sure a spiritual factor wasn't involved in the creation or formation or whatever you want to call it-- of life. Yet there's no way, obviously, you can use that spiritual value in your equation because what is spiritual is untestable. Hence, you can never be sure your theory is correct because you can never test your theory against every possible variable.

 

[danschance]

You know, this really says it all. That which is spiritual cannot be evaluated in a scientific laboratory because it is not of the physical realm. But when you try to study the origin of life, you can't possibly be sure a spiritual factor wasn't involved in the creation or formation or whatever you want to call it-- of life. Yet there's no way, obviously, you can use that spiritual value in your equation because what is spiritual is untestable. Hence, you can never be sure your theory is correct because you can never test your theory against every possible variable.

Yes, we walk by FAITH, not by sight. If one can prove God is real, then that would prove Christianity to be false. The only way to find God is by faith.


Love your screen name, by the way.

 

[Quickfire]

a bit confusing this thread to me ? im not sure why you would want to know this ?, but lets look at what the bible says on how we should act towards unbelievers.

1 timothy 2 first of all then i urge that petitions prayers, requests, and thanksgivings be offered to god for all people; 2 for kings and all others who are in authority, that we live a quiet and peaceful life with all reverence towards god and with proper conduct. 3 This is good and it pleases god are saviour 4 who wants everyone to be saved and to come to the truth. 5 For there is one god and there is one who brings god and human beings togeather, the man christ jesus, 6 who gave himself to redeem everyone, That was the proof at the right time that god wants everyone to be saved 7 and that is why i was sent as an apostle and teacher of the gentiles to proclaim the message of faith and truth.

 

[Shiloah]

Well i have never, and so have many others, felt this "god" feeling because it doesn't exist for me. Why is it that when you slightly feel somethin out of the blue, it's jesus' touch, but when i don't it's fine? This is why i hope you understand your beliefs are less then scientific because you automatically assume its holy and you don't test it with anything else. Thats called wishful thinking

Jeremiah 29:13>> You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.

There's far far more to it than that, Basebool. It's not about just "feeling" something. It's about an experience that lines up with every word written in the Bible.

 

[Shiloah]

Well i have never, and so have many others, felt this "god" feeling because it doesn't exist for me. Why is it that when you slightly feel somethin out of the blue, it's jesus' touch, but when i don't it's fine? This is why i hope you understand your beliefs are less then scientific because you automatically assume its holy and you don't test it with anything else. Thats called wishful thinking

What you test any experience against is the Holy Scriptures, basebool. Your experience must line up perfectly with the word of God. If it doesn't, that spirit is not from God. Christ Himself gave us these instructions. If that experience lines up perfectly with Scriptures, there's your confirmation. No, it doesn't come easy, and I'm coming to believe, it takes a lifetime to come to the full knowledge of God, if it's even accomplished then. But the salvation aspect is free. That comes through grace by way of accepting Him. But again, it's something you have to desire with all your heart and seek with all your might, or you won't find it.

 

[Shiloah]

Why is it wrong for me to believe that Leprechauns (or the tooth fairies) are not real?

Because you have no proof. (Snicker)

 

[basebool]

What you test any experience against is the Holy Scriptures, basebool. Your experience must line up perfectly with the word of God. If it doesn't, that spirit is not from God. Christ Himself gave us these instructions. If that experience lines up perfectly with Scriptures, there's your confirmation. No, it doesn't come easy, and I'm coming to believe, it takes a lifetime to come to the full knowledge of God, if it's even accomplished then. But the salvation aspect is free. That comes through grace by way of accepting Him. But again, it's something you have to desire with all your heart and seek with all your might, or you won't find it.

I was brought up in a christian family and prayed and prayed and "sought" out this holy spirit. You know what i found? Bubkis. Nothing that i later found was a biological reaction.

Don't tell me i haven't sought out cause i have and it doesn't allign with jack in the bible.

 

[Grey]

Wow....u know I can almost understand people who say they don't know what they believe in because they have never had anything personally happen to them, that they know to be of God. And they don't know anyone in their sphere of influence who they consider credible to have had a connection with God. All they have is people telling them about the bible, and when they pick it up, its like reading nothing because it means nothing and it doesn't speak to them.

The real problem for me with atheists and agnostics is when it's people in your sphere of influence, people who love you and who know you love them. You tell them your experience or testimony and they don't believe you. I have one brother who is now an atheist. Used to believe in God back in our childhood days but as years passed and God has touched all but his life he is a die hard atheist.

I believe atheist hurt in a way we don't understand. Back in 77 we lost our mom in a car accident. It was my mother and myself only that were in the accident. I survived barely. Because my brothers were young and alone( my dad had moved out of the family house,) the police made a mistake and came to the house and told my brothers of the accident. They also told them, that one of us was deceased and needed to contact our father. I know, crazy right. I just learned of this in 87. Anyway, I found out that my now atheist brother prayed to God for my mom to die and to keep me alive.

Three months after the death of our mother I was wanting to die because I was the driver of the accident and though I didn't do anything wrong, I still felt like I killed my mom. One night being all alone in the family house and grieving I was given a gift by God, he showed me his power and answered my question. That night changed my life. I told my family...all looked the other way.

IN the years since, my father, my other brother and myself, all walk with Jesus now. But the brother who prayed for my mom to die and of hearing my experience then and the rest of my testimony is cutting himself off from all of us. I believe with my whole heart, that at least for one atheist, they are hurting and more broken than most of us.

I've read the entirety of the bible, part of the Koran, quite a bit on Buddha, Taoism, and the mythologies of the ancient world. I certainly attributed "good" things to god when I was a theist, good or bad experiences didn't affect my opinion of god.

 

[Grey]

If you listen to the Lord, he will solve all your problems. Atheists, aren't listening. They are left to solve their own problems. They aren't as good at it as the Lord is, though.

By listening do you me reading the torah and new testament? If yes then I'm all ears.

 

[Shiloah]

I'm a little slow, obviously, but I'm realizing this entire forum represents a debate between Christians and atheists over virtually everything rather than Christians coming together to chat. Hm.

 

[Grey]

I'd say were a smaller minority. I do contribute neutrally or at least attempt to on the well less religious aspects like news, and music on here, Im now trying to more so avoid bible discussion, unless my input is on what's written in the bible, not neccesarily about if its valid or not. But in a thread like this well, if you mention us I dont think its unreasonable to expect us. Basebools more hands on approach may not nrccesarily be asimmiliar to mine but who am I to dictate what he may say. I didn't return to the forum to antagonize people earlierin these last few months I may have appeared zealous but I've learned that a more cooperative discussion is constructive to everyone on here Ill try not to seats unless mentioned, for the most part I've come here simply to teach my point of view and attempt to understand that of others.

 

[basebool]

I'm a little slow, obviously, but I'm realizing this entire forum represents a debate between Christians and atheists over virtually everything rather than Christians coming together to chat. Hm.

What??????

The thread title is can atheists prove their belief is not a fantasy like christianity. When i, and others, explained that the disbelief in a god is not a belief itself, we then defend our view. If you weren't expecting this in this thread, get out.

Go to your other threads and chill with your christian buddies, not like i go to every thread preaching atheism. This is also the reason i don't respect your group of christians because you attack atheism and when we defend outselves, you just whine that we're bothering you.

Again, if this is bothering you, leave. We're actually trying to have a discussion in this thread

 

[Ugly]

What??????

The thread title is can atheists prove their belief is not a fantasy like christianity. When i, and others, explained that the disbelief in a god is not a belief itself, we then defend our view. If you weren't expecting this in this thread, get out.

Go to your other threads and chill with your christian buddies, not like i go to every thread preaching atheism. This is also the reason i don't respect your group of christians because you attack atheism and when we defend outselves, you just whine that we're bothering you.

Again, if this is bothering you, leave. We're actually trying to have a discussion in this thread

This is a very rude post. This is a Christian site first and foremost. It is NOT a debate site. So why don't you get off your high horse and show a little respect and quit being a hypocrite.

 

[T_Laurich]

What??????

The thread title is can atheists prove their belief is not a fantasy like christianity. When i, and others, explained that the disbelief in a god is not a belief itself, we then defend our view. If you weren't expecting this in this thread, get out.

Go to your other threads and chill with your christian buddies, not like i go to every thread preaching atheism. This is also the reason i don't respect your group of christians because you attack atheism and when we defend outselves, you just whine that we're bothering you.

Again, if this is bothering you, leave. We're actually trying to have a discussion in this thread

To be quite honest... I think you are mistaken on who gets attacked more. Who has to defend themselves. Not only those, but this is a Christian website, If you don't want backlash on trying to deny God. I suggest you go to an atheism site.

To expect a honest debate on a topic like this is expecting; drenching trees with gasoline will prevent a forest fire.

You can try to use scripture, psychology, or "facts" against my post, but frankly I will still stand behind it.

 

[Siberian_Khatru]

...not like i go... preaching atheism.

Sure you do!

Again, if this is bothering you, leave. I'm actually trying to have an argument in this thread

Fixed. There's not much of a "discussion" if you throw people out of it.

 

[Grey]

To be quite honest... I think you are mistaken on who gets attacked more. Who has to defend themselves. Not only those, but this is a Christian website, If you don't want backlash on trying to deny God. I suggest you go to an atheism site.

To expect a honest debate on a topic like this is expecting; drenching trees with gasoline will prevent a forest fire.

You can try to use scripture, psychology, or "facts" against my post, but frankly I will still stand behind it.

You have the absolute right to express your opinion as does he but let's not turn this into an I get persecuted more thread.. when I was a Christian I visited an atheist and agnostic chatroom even a muslim and Buddhist one, let me tell you nearly a quarter of the people were Christians. Of course its not like that everywhere but clearly this is irrelevant.

 

[Dude653]

I dont debate atheists. Its a waste of my time